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[ApparentRaceTraitor]

India needs to be really careful with this new found "big brother defending little brother" attitude from the US.

Ofcourse treat all countries with equal diplomatic magnamity but remember that India's interests come first before any quid pro quo.

 

[ito]

China has made all of us a target. My foolish countrymen cannot see it and the Chinese cannot understand it without offence. That is more than a billion people who are running out of resources and space. They need someplace to go where they can continue their strip mining of resources to survive. Guess who is closest to them with abundant natural resources?

Even Pakistan has no option but to yield to Chinese. India is unyielding on Kashmir. And Kashmir for Pakistan is becoming an albatross, and Pakistan neither can abandon it. India being for more resourceful than Pakistan, Pakistan has no option but to side with China to take on India, and the price Pakistan may pay for this to Chinese could cost Pakistan its independency.

 

[SQ8]

Even Pakistan has no option but to yield to Chinese. India is unyielding on Kashmir. And Kashmir for Pakistan is becoming an albatross, and Pakistan neither can abandon it. India being for more resourceful than Pakistan, Pakistan has no option but to side with China to take on India, and the price Pakistan may pay for this to Chinese could cost Pakistan its independency.

Costing the independancy is folly we all make. No country is independant in its decisions otherwise it is North Korea and even they are dependant on the Chinese and measure their actions based on the US and SK.
India is not independent either, its decisions are made in lieu of its carefully ingrained and crafted "keep all happy" diplomacy that has in the past led it into compromising on critical issues to various countries. It is also not independent that it is still heavily dependant on imported energy and other critical goods that require it to provide either resources of its own in return or give diplomatic ground.

What we are talking about is total subjugation; which Pakistan may be heading for but that will not be the end of the satisfaction that the Chinese need(they have no such word, again not hating the Chinese but giving the reality of sustaining their population). India's fear of China is based on a wholly underwhelmed and tangential perception of their threat. China is not the threat to you 10 years from now, or 20 years and not in Trade or technology or in the traditional competitive sense; it is a threat when food and water starts going scarce and the Chinese are no longer able to bring in resources from other countries into their own. Then they will expand for space and even basic food..and for that they will really steamroll across India. Be it just from the north, or from both the north and the west.

After all, India would be stupid to think that a hostile Pakistan is more dangerous than a Pakistan which is full of Chinese military and controlled as a vassal state.
As for Kashmir, the issue is NOT.. again NOT the Kashmiris; it is the strategic position and the water resources. The IVT is not enough to allay Pakistani fears and India knows that. Pakistan wants a lot of guarantees that India is unwilling to give even a little; however, unless the two compromise at some point..they will soon find themselves facing a threat they have yet to even fathom.

Again, this does not imply that the Chinese are an enemy now.. or whether they hate us or have bad thoughts about us. They are friends to Pakistan and good trading partners to India; but when resources are scarce.. there are no friends or allies.

Just food and space to expand.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...bal-support-against-india-at-nsg_1901780.html

Would this be the first fall out?

What happens if China looses it's case at UNCLOS against Philippines?
China has lot of things to worry about and it has given great reasons this year to really give it back to them with interest wherever it can.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

By helping India in different ways ; USA is letting the Chinese Know the
LIMITATIONS of their power

USA can support all Chinese rivals in Asia ie Japan - Vietnam --Philipines -Taiwan -India
and ASEAN countries

The question is what can China do in return

Will it seal a formal alliance with Russia ? or Iran

The Chinese are always measuring themselves against USA

USA is showing them their limitations and " stature "

 

[Indika]

In other words, the US wants India to be the bullwark to China; perhaps get into a war with them and provide the cannon fodder. To help India in being the US sheriff for South Asia, the US will assist in any way possible.

Yes, even India knows that very well. US is trying to draw India into SCS conflict but India has so managed to stay away. Its game that both know what they are doing. US wants India to fight china and get into a mess. India wants to milk US as much as possible with least damage.

 

[noksss]

India called the USA to come fight for them. Why does it feel like it has happened before?

Oh wait...

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times of India

And just like before, the USA ended up using India as a pawn and a meat shield against China.

What happened man are you fine today ? why are these lines missing in your quote (China Defeated USA + 16 allies)

 

[ito]

Costing the independancy is folly we all make. No country is independant in its decisions otherwise it is North Korea and even they are dependant on the Chinese and measure their actions based on the US and SK.
India is not independent either, its decisions are made in lieu of its carefully ingrained and crafted "keep all happy" diplomacy that has in the past led it into compromising on critical issues to various countries. It is also not independent that it is still heavily dependant on imported energy and other critical goods that require it to provide either resources of its own in return or give diplomatic ground.

What we are talking about is total subjugation; which Pakistan may be heading for but that will not be the end of the satisfaction that the Chinese need(they have no such word, again not hating the Chinese but giving the reality of sustaining their population). India's fear of China is based on a wholly underwhelmed and tangential perception of their threat. China is not the threat to you 10 years from now, or 20 years and not in Trade or technology or in the traditional competitive sense; it is a threat when food and water starts going scarce and the Chinese are no longer able to bring in resources from other countries into their own. Then they will expand for space and even basic food..and for that they will really steamroll across India. Be it just from the north, or from both the north and the west.

After all, India would be stupid to think that a hostile Pakistan is more dangerous than a Pakistan which is full of Chinese military and controlled as a vassal state.
As for Kashmir, the issue is NOT.. again NOT the Kashmiris; it is the strategic position and the water resources. The IVT is not enough to allay Pakistani fears and India knows that. Pakistan wants a lot of guarantees that India is unwilling to give even a little; however, unless the two compromise at some point..they will soon find themselves facing a threat they have yet to even fathom.

Again, this does not imply that the Chinese are an enemy now.. or whether they hate us or have bad thoughts about us. They are friends to Pakistan and good trading partners to India; but when resources are scarce.. there are no friends or allies.

Just food and space to expand.

A good post from you.

I feel the way India-US relations are evolving is one of interdependency. People in Pakistan think that US is popping up India as a hedge against China, conveniently forgetting that India is a billion plus market for US companies, a growing economy with stable democratic institutions, skilled workforce, a relatively good investment environment and certainly more friendly country as compared to China to US. US will be more comfortable doing business with India as compared to China. I see no such relation evolving between China and Pakistan.

The only way I guess to improve India and Pakistan relations are to keep Kashmir in the back burner and improve on other aspects that are less contentious to build trust before taking on Kashmir. I am sure Indians will not be against more water to Pakistan as they will be on Kashmir.

 

[nair]

But since India sold their sovereignty to the USA in exchange for NSG support, we know India wants it badly enough to pay a big price for it. Modi offering a few nuclear reactors and industrial parks is nice, but not enough.

I have been reading several posts of you in this line..... What made you get yourself into this "troll mode" ?????(stealthy ofcourse)

 

[dray]

Show some respect to your formal colonial master since you guys still use his language as your official language , and what make we give a damn to a person that his nation is merely a geographical expression to comment over Tibet and I wish you luck to get your NSG membership and please don't vent you anger on China again this time

Last heard, Chinese are falling head over heels to learn English, maybe we can teach you.

We will get NSG membership by the end of this year only, even if that means we have to arrange for disqualification of China from it because of rules violations in nuclear proliferation.

And North Arunachal Pradesh will earn their freedom from Chinese occupation with the help of their friends and ideological brothers.

 

[hembo]

Strong words and weak actions have failed, so it's time to play tough with China

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...ed-s-time-play-tough-China.html#ixzz4D2ZDELj4

Well, one option is to suspend China from NSG groups on charges of non-adherence... ahem North-Korea, Pakistan... cough...

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

China has made all of us a target. My foolish countrymen cannot see it and the Chinese cannot understand it without offence. That is more than a billion people who are running out of resources and space. They need someplace to go where they can continue their strip mining of resources to survive. Guess who is closest to them with abundant natural resources?

Russia"s Siberia and Kazakhstan.

When the day comes, Russian plan to use tactical nukes on Chinese military.

The Implications of the New Doctrine ------------------------------------


5. (C) Zolotarev argued that, while the chances of a large-scale war breaking out are remote, China would most likely be the target of any preemptive nuclear strike. Most serious military planners dismissed any threat from NATO long ago, he posited. China still has a mass mobilization army, he said, and the Russian Far East is thinly populated, has little infrastructure, and a small Russian military contingent. With the Russian army restructured to rapidly respond to small-scale wars, the GOR would have to rely on its nuclear deterrent to prevent a Chinese attack. He admitted, however, that by declaring the right to launch a nuclear first strike, Russia appeared to be taking a step back from the spirit, if not the letter of its Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty Article VI commitments regarding nuclear disarmament.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09MOSCOW3138_a.html

 

[Established_1965]

wow what an game

but that country is US grand father
largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion in bills, notes and bonds, according to the Treasury.

China will be in more trouble than US, to be economically correct

 

[Great Sachin]

Lots of burning Assssss here

 

[Malik Usman]

Now Indian putting their words in other's mouth...........