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[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Just want to confirm from our Indian friends.

Found some reasons on the net as why Indian refuse to sign NPT, but not very sure which one is the main reason.

1. India has not successfully tested Hydrogen bombs
2. India is not confident with the effectiveness of its nuclear arsenals, so more tests may be needed,
3. India doesn't have the supercomputer capacity to do simulated nuclear tests,
4. India has not yet weaponize its nuclear device, so additional work need to be done.

Did you Baidu or did you google?

You seem to have confused NPT for CTBT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty

Not surprising you have not even posted your sources for these "reasons"

Continue to live in your CCP land

 

[footmarks]

Why India refuse to sign NPT?

Because, essentially, NPT rules that only the 5 so called "winners" of WW II can possess nuclear weapons. This itself is flawed. BTW, India's stance is fair and clear. Either all countries of the world, including the 5 "recognized nuclear powers" relinquish their nuclear weapons in full, or allow everyone to have their own "independent" program. India is not against NPT per se, it is against the 5 members' hegemony and double standards.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

US, the biggest terrorist and a major contributor to world instability, is fully pursuing membership for India, despite India not being an NPT signatory.

The NSG was formed to control nuclear commerce and its members had to abide by NPT. In fact NSG was formed after 1974 India nuclear tests.

India also got an unprecedented civil nuclear deal from US despite being non-NPT nuclear country. As US pursues India membership, it will get it either way. In any case. India is enjoying benefits of NSG membership without it being a formal member.

Chinese are equally guilty as US here for supporting India's NSG waiver, without which Indo-US nuclear deal was of little significance.

Hence the whole article itself reeks irony as China contributed to this "spoiling" of India

 

[greenwood]

Because, essentially, NPT rules that only the 5 so called "winners" of WW II can possess nuclear weapons. This itself is flawed. BTW, India's stance is fair and clear. Either all countries of the world, including the 5 "recognized nuclear powers" relinquish their nuclear weapons in full, or allow everyone to have their own "independent" program. India is not against NPT per se, it is against the 5 members' hegemony and double standards.

India could seek other methods or issues to show she is an important power in the world, for example, take more international responsiblity. This time, this method is not good choice.

Nuclear is very cautious issue all over the world, you can't break the principle because of rising power.

 

[footmarks]

India could seek other methods or issues to show she is an important power in the world, for example, take more international responsiblity. This time, this method is not good choice.

Nuclear is very cautious issue all over the world, you can't break the principle because of rising power.

Thats why NSG membership is called for - to take more responsibility. Otherwise, nuclear trade is already allowed to India through the 2008 waiver. Plus, if nuclear is such a cautious issue, why dont China assume leadership and disarm all its nuclear weapons completely and forever - to set an example?

Talk about "responsibility"

 

[greenwood]

Thats why NSG membership is called for - to take more responsibility. Otherwise, nuclear trade is already allowed to India through the 2008 waiver. Plus, if nuclear is such a cautious issue, why dont China assume leadership and disarm all its nuclear weapons completely and forever - to set an example?

Talk about "responsibility"

Before NPT become legal treaty or law, China had owned nuclear weapons. China already took the responsiblity joining in the NPT.

 

[footmarks]

Before NPT become legal treaty or law, China had owned nuclear weapons. China already took the responsiblity joining in the NPT.

NPT came into being after India tested nuclear bomb. SO India already was a nuclear power by the time NPT came into being. By the same yardstick as yours, India should be recognised as a nuclear power state and then India can sign NPT.

 

[greenwood]

NPT came into being after India tested nuclear bomb. SO India already was a nuclear power by the time NPT came into being. By the same yardstick as yours, India should be recognised as a nuclear power state and then India can sign NPT.

The international world has a standard differs between nuclear test and nuclear nation.
India was assued by breaking NPT in 1998? nuclear bomb test and you should remember the sanction.

 

[footmarks]

The international world has a standard differs between nuclear test and nuclear nation.
India was assued by breaking NPT in 1998? nuclear bomb test and you should remember the sanction.

And what is the different standard? China signed it later, after conducting at least 45 nuclear tests, US did >945 and USSR/Russia did >600 tests, same with France & UK - many of these after NPT was established. This is double standard man (or lady, I dont know ).

BTW, what is "international World"?

 

[Joe Shearer]

India spoiled, rules alone blocked its NSG entry: Chinese media

Defending China's opposition to India's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) as "morally legitimate", a state-run daily Tuesday hit out at India saying the West has "spoiled" the country making it a "bit smug" in international affairs.
In a hard hitting editorial, Global Times said it was rules, not China, that prevented India's entry into the 48-nation elite nuclear trading body.
It said at least 10 countries, including China, opposed the accession of non-signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) into the NSG.
"...India wants to be the first exception to join the NSG without signing the NPT. It is morally legitimate for China and other members to upset India's proposal in defence of principles," said the tabloid, part of the ruling Communist Party of China's publications.
The daily, known for its nationalistic postures, said India is emerging as the "golden boy" of the West.
"Recent years have seen the Western world giving too many thumbs-up to India, but thumbs-down to China. India is spoiled. Although the South Asian country's GDP accounts for only 20% of that of China, it is still a golden boy in the eyes of the West, having a competitive edge and more potential compared to China. The international 'adulation' of India makes the country a bit smug in international affairs," it said.
Criticising Indian media and public reaction on India's failed NSG bid, it, however, said the Indian government has behaved "decently."
"Some Indians are too self-centered and self-righteous. On the contrary, the Indian government behaves decently and is willing to communicate. Throwing a tantrum won't be an option for New Delhi," it said.
"India's nationalists should learn how to behave themselves. Now that they wish their country could be a major power, they should know how major powers play their games," the daily said.
Taking exception to the US' support to India for NSG entry, the editorial said, "US backing adds the biggest impetus to India's ambition. By cozying up to India, Washington's India policy actually serves the purpose of containing China."
"The US is not the whole world. Its endorsement does not mean India has won the backing of the world. This basic fact, however, has been ignored by India," it said.

http://atimes.com/2016/06/west-spoiled-india-says-china-defending-stand-on-delhis-nsg-bid/

What is shocking - truly shocking, at an unprecedented level of frankness and truthfulness - is the degree of envy and feeling of being unloved displayed by this reaction. Apparently, China's bid for international recognition and attempt to achieve a position of a default benign and deciding power in the world is seen to have been less than successful, and India's unexpected degree of international support, in spite of being, in Chinese eyes, less than worthy of comparison with China in any shape, manner or variation, has caused pain and hurt.

Nothing else can explain this vindictive little passage.

false claim and China is wrongfully accused

You will have to do a lot of explanation to wash away that note. Dismissive one liners seem a little flat next to what has been put on record. Try harder, please.

Inidan burn our national flag you know, this hehavior is considered impious to China's honour.

Our national flag could be burned in a war, but can't be burned by a ruffian idiot.
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Who has done this and where, and when?

What else you expect from these Indians, let them vent their anger on our flag if that can comfort them..LMAO

When your arse is back in place, perhaps you would dignify your comment by adding some facts and information to it. Is that too much to ask, or are these simple processes of participating in a forum beneath the dignity of your good self?

why let them vent their anger on our flag? They should burn their own leader and their own national flag to comfort themself.

Thank you very much for your advice. It will be considered in its proper time and place, along with other inputs of such enormous worth and value.

That's probably our Tibetan brothers, their whole country was snatched from them, and you are talking about a flag!

I love the casual arrogance with which they talk about some obscure incident and expect international waves of indignation to inundate the impious. Amazing.

Tibetan is your brother?
Last time I check Muslim is actually your brother in Moghol empire and some time before that.

Nothing better to be expected from an uneducated fool. Tibet was brought to Buddhism by Indian preachers. The history of this is too long to relate, and will cost you money. So take it at that and do not get into an history that you neither know nor need to know.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

What is shocking - truly shocking, at an unprecedented level of frankness and truthfulness - is the degree of envy and feeling of being unloved displayed by this reaction. Apparently, China's bid for international recognition and attempt to achieve a position of a default benign and deciding power in the world is seen to have been less than successful, and India's unexpected degree of international support, in spite of being, in Chinese eyes, less than worthy of comparison with China in any shape, manner or variation, has caused pain and hurt.

This is quiet less compared to one of the articles, where they went as far as referring Indians as inferior.

The irony given what the endured during the century of humiliation.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...dia-article/story-UnCJUIWC6ii4dilcTE6uNO.html

 

[Joe Shearer]

This is quiet less compared to one of the articles, where they went as far as referring Indians as inferior.

The irony given what the endured during the century of humiliation.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...dia-article/story-UnCJUIWC6ii4dilcTE6uNO.html

How does one upload or insert photographs? jpeg, basically.

They don't look like Tibetans to me:

They burn their own people too:

It is not a BIG DEAL, what else they can do?

Everyone has an arsehole. Every country has a bunch of lunatics on the fringe. So what?

How many days will indians continue to cry? Poor indians probably can't sleep at night thinking about their country's endless failures.

You have no idea how much we cry, not just about our sorrows but at those of others.

For instance, whenever someone says China buggered the Philippines over the Spratly Islands, I burst into tears.

Poor tibetans, don't worry arunachal will be next.

Since when did Pinoys fall in love with pandas? Couldn't you think of any Filipino visuals? Brainless idiot.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

How does one upload or insert photographs? jpeg, basically.

If you have link of the image, there is image icon within the post window beside the smiley icon, click on that and rest should be easy

 

[Joe Shearer]

Anyone else know what this kid is talking about?

Yes, some bhakts burnt the Chinese flag. We desperately need a Baygon variant for these insects.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

For instance, whenever someone says China buggered the Philippines over the Spratly Islands, I burst into tears.

Since when did Pinoys fall in love with pandas? Couldn't you think of any Filipino visuals? Brainless idiot.

Ethnic Chinese Pinoy here with several multiple ids created and getting into trouble for trolling.

https://defence.pk/threads/abuse-of-rating-system.403805/