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[qwerrty]

this is purely on indian side. it's all up to them. i don't know why they throwing tantrum at china

If things were that easy, China would be an MTCR member by now because of her "own choice"

china doesn't give a sh1t about mtcr. the yanks and euros ain't gonna sell to china their missiles once they become member. china has more to lose than gain. becoming member means they can't sell long range uav/ucavs and other long range weapons to countries that uncle sam doesn't like anymore. no good.. lolz

 

[greenwood]

So China has dropped its application for MTCR, good to know

Yes, and nobody in China cares, I just this week hear about mtcr from Indian mouth.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

this is purely on indian side. it's all up to them. i don't know why they throwing tantrum at china


china doesn't give a s1t about mtcr. the yanks and euros ain't gonna sell to china their missiles once they become member. china has more to lose than gain. becoming member means they can't sell long range uav/ucavs and other long range weapons to countries that uncle sam doesn't like anymore. no good.. lolz

Very truthful and convincing words, if you can prove:
1. China has withdrawn its signed agreement to USA, that it will comply with MTCR Guidelines.
2. China has officially announced that is will discontinue to seek MTCR membership.

Until then keep your fingers crossed for highly probable MTCR membership.

That was then, and this is now. We are selling our armed drones with 500kg payload and 500 km range all over the pace.

Which drones would that be?

Yes, and nobody in China cares, I just this week hear about mtcr from Indian mouth.

Nobody in China is supposed to care about MTCR or NSG waiver for India.

Your media has made good efforts to ensure that.

 

[Dungeness]

Which drones would that be?

Ask Iraqi. You can google with key words like CH-4B, YL-1 etc. By the way, yo have not answered my question yet. Why India refuse to sign NPT?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Ask Iraqi. You can google with key words like CH-4B, YL-1 etc. By the way, yo have not answered my question yet. Why India refuse to sign NPT?

Perhaps you are not clear with MTCR restrictions or CH-4 payload reporting is wrong

MTCR states that:

The MTCR seeks to limit the risks of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by controlling exports of goods and technologies that could make a contribution to delivery systems (other than manned aircraft) for such weapons. In this context, the Regime places particular focus on rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles capable of delivering a payload of at least 500 kg to a range of at least 300 km and on equipment, software, and technology for such systems.

http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html


CH-4 reported payload and range is:

The CH-4 has an operational ceiling of 8,000 m (26,246 ft), a maximum range of 3,500 km (2,175 miles), and a maximum take-off weight of 1,330 kg. The UAV can carry up to 345 kg of weapon or mission payload, with 165 kg fuel.

Assuming Sinodefence is correct, since when did 345kg become equivalent of 500kg?

https://sinodefence.com/2015/12/13/ch-4-uav/

In regard to India's not signing NPT, google India and NPT signing

 

[Dungeness]

Perhaps you are not clear with MTCR restrictions or CH-4 payload reporting is wrong

MTCR states that:



http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html


CH-4 reported payload and range is:



Assuming Sinodefence is correct, since when did 345kg become equivalent of 500kg?

https://sinodefence.com/2015/12/13/ch-4-uav/

In regard to India's not signing NPT, google India and NPT signing

OK, you won. And just in case yo did not know, China even sold medium range missilles to Saudis. Goodl DF-3.

Now answer my question.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

OK, you won.

Now answer my question.

Could not find anything on google?

 

[greenwood]

Could not find anything on google?

It's Indian affairs, you need to do / google it.

 

[Dungeness]

Could not find anything on google?

Just want to confirm from our Indian friends.

Found some reasons on the net as why Indian refuse to sign NPT, but not very sure which one is the main reason.

1. India has not successfully tested Hydrogen bombs
2. India is not confident with the effectiveness of its nuclear arsenals, so more tests may be needed,
3. India doesn't have the supercomputer capacity to do simulated nuclear tests,
4. India has not yet weaponize its nuclear device, so additional work need to be done.

 

[Dandpatta]

Inidan burn our national flag you know, this hehavior is considered impious to China's honour.

Our national flag could be burned in a war, but can't be burned by a ruffian idiot.
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Are you stupid? It's not even Indian soldiers who are burning your flag. Shot taken from some *** burn movie?

 

[greenwood]

Are you stupid? It's not even Indian soldiers who are burning your flag. Shot taken from some *** burn movie?

Do you understand their stupid burning flag behavior, after so much of discussion on the thread, have you understood why India failed this NSG entry?

The shot was a military correspondent's photo during a territory war.

 

[airmarshal]

US, the biggest terrorist and a major contributor to world instability, is fully pursuing membership for India, despite India not being an NPT signatory.

The NSG was formed to control nuclear commerce and its members had to abide by NPT. In fact NSG was formed after 1974 India nuclear tests.

India also got an unprecedented civil nuclear deal from US despite being non-NPT nuclear country. As US pursues India membership, it will get it either way. In any case. India is enjoying benefits of NSG membership without it being a formal member.

 

[pher]

what is a big deal to burn flags? it is highly possible that those flags burned were made in China. Welcome india import more to burn them for fun.

 

[Dungeness]

US, the biggest terrorist and a major contributor to world instability, is fully pursuing membership for India, despite India not being an NPT signatory.

The NSG was formed to control nuclear commerce and its members had to abide by NPT. In fact NSG was formed after 1974 India nuclear tests.

India also got an unprecedented civil nuclear deal from US despite being non-NPT nuclear country. As US pursues India membership, it will get it either way. In any case. India is enjoying benefits of NSG membership without it being a formal member.

And yet, India strongly believes it is Entitled to be the only exception to the rules. It does sound like a spoiled kid to me.

what is a big deal to burn flags? it is highly possible that those flags burned were made in China. Welcome india import more to burn them for fun.

With imported Chinese cheap lighters.

 

[Dandpatta]

Anyone else know what this kid is talking about?

Uske bheje mein comprehension problem aur compression problem huwa hein. Chhod do !