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India admits Kashmir a disputed territory
By Imran Kazmi
Published: August 17, 2019
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Delhi’s UN ambassador reiterates commitment to Simla Accord. SCREENGRAB

KARACHI: Hours after the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) held a first-ever meeting over Kashmir issue in almost 50 years in a diplomatic triumph to Pakistan, India’s envoy to the United Nations Syed Akbaruddin on Friday admitted that Indian-Occupied Jammu and Kashmir was a disputed territory and New Delhi was conditionally ready to engage with Islamabad over the matter.
India has regularly blocked discussion on Occupied Kashmir at the UN because it considers the matter an ‘internal affair’.

Facing a barrage of questions in a press briefing following the historic meeting at the UN headquarters in New York, Akbaruddin said that India is committed to the Simla accord inked with Pakistan in 1972, which explicitly declared the Kashmir as dispute between the two countries.
“So let me begin by coming across to you and shaking your hand… as we’ve already extended our hand of friendship by saying we are committed to Simla agreement. Let us wait on that from the Pakistani side,” said the Indian ambassador while awkwardly reaching out to Pakistani journalists and shaking hands with them.

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Responding to a question, he said: “In closed consultations at the UNSC, anyone, especially parties to the dispute, can try and throw in anything at the members of the Security Council. That’s the nature of the beast.”

He added: “We are ready to address these issues in a matter in which states who have normal approaches to international ties address them… and in our case, we are committed to Simla agreement. It’s now for Pakistan to make that commitment to ‘stop terror and start talks’.”

New Delhi has been harping on its terror mantra despite Islamabad’s repeated attempts at resolving all outstanding issues between the two countries, including that of Kashmir, through dialogue.

After coming into power last year, Prime Minister Imran Khan has extended an olive branch to his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi on multiple occasions, however, India never responded positively.

The Simla accord highlighted that ‘no settlement’ had been reached on the Kashmir issue, but it mentioned ‘a final solution of Jammu and Kashmir’ as one of the outstanding questions for settlement. The accord also stated that: “The Line of Control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognised position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations.”

The 17-point agreement reaffirmed the principles and purposes of the Charter of United Nations to “govern the relations between the two countries”.

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Visibly frustrated over the Kashmir issue being discussed at the highest diplomatic forum of the world, Akbaruddin lashed out at the ‘international interference’ in his government’s very ‘internal matter’. “We don’t need international busybodies to try to tell us how to run our lives. We are a billion plus people,” he told reporters.

On August 5, New Delhi scrapped Article 370 in the Indian constitution that had granted Kashmir special autonomy. It split the state of Jammu and Kashmir in two and downgraded their status to union territories, sparking a row with Pakistan.

PM Modi’s government also restricted freedom of movement in the region and cut the internet and phone lines. Akbaruddin said the restrictions were “reasonable” and are being eased.

“Public order is integral to ensuring that democracy prospers,” he added, denying reports that India was committing human rights violations in the former Himalayan region.
 
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Who managed this UNSC meeting? who silently support all this (from Pakistan's perspective). Which two countries whose actions and reactions change the dynamics of the world's politics, because of staying neutral on this issue which everyone knows their neutrality will automatically support Pakistan to internationalize this with no fear of veto, which two countries show zero interest by siding with India since Feb? because of both this J&K issue highlighted in all the major western countries through their respective well known news broadcasters (New York Times, The Guardians, WSJ, Reuters, USA Today, Al-Jazeera etc) all major source of information controlling the entire world's perception, they're opinion maker of the western public in particular, they holds the ground of global politics. There are two identities in this world who silently support Pakistan to expose India across the world on Jammu & Kashmir issue. Traditionally both were against Pakistan at all the international forums and always supported India that's what the history tell us.

Clear message to India, you're NOBODY! that's how the world's politics work. The real super powers of the world unlike so called third world, prove this time to time that they're not too much concerned about your investments and relations like Arab. Whenever they want to humiliate you whether you've so called 3rd 4th largest military might or your economy is fastest growing or even you're strong diplomatic ties with them... they humiliate you silently thrice in this year in all major conflicts with Pakistan and you failed to counter this.

Guess the name of both countries?
 
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why they were not ready before when imran khan asked modi to talk on table and solve issues?
any Indian friend on here would be feeling so embarrassed that what modi has done to Indian image lol.
Modi thinks the modren world is sleeping and no one caught him lyeing.
 
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So, after unilaterally altering the status of Occupied Kashmir in blatant violation of Simla Agreement they try to tell the world that they still abide by the Simla Agreement?? ... :cuckoo:


All the answers given by the Indian representative to the journalists were standard Indian rhetoric that they have been repeating mindlessly since long. He forgot that the ground situation has completely changed, and it has been changed by India itself...

Poor diplomacy and zero homework by the Indian representative. Maybe they weren't expecting this. They will have to update and modify their position now if they want to be taken seriously.
 
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Is this man on weed? His government has claimed IOK as part of India and here he is talking about simla agreement which qualifies Kashmir as disputed territory.

Which part of the Shimla Agreement qualifies Kashmir as disputed territory ?
 
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I dont understand the chest thumping ? What changed after the UN consultation ?
 
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Which part of the Shimla Agreement qualifies Kashmir as disputed territory ?

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That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;
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7. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
 
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That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;
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7. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
India wasnt going to meet with Pakistan and discuss anymore. Now lets assume Shimla Agreement null and void. Whats next ? I doubt there will be any physical change in anything. Just perceptions.
 
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That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;
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7. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.

Agreed.

However, GOI does not think Pakistan held up their side of the agreement. Several skirmishes after that validates that.

Just an example from the same agreement:

That the prerequisite for reconciliation, good neighborliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful coexistence respect for each others territorial integrity and sovereignty and noninterference in each others internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedeviled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means.

So yea, we can talk about resolving PAK situation now. Rest are done.
 
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That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;
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7. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.


It's hard to keep up with contanst bombardment of Indians who act as intellectuals.
 
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Simla is dead but the UN Resolutions are not. India has shot itself in the foot
Like could you explain what exactly will happen because my assessment says UN is the most toothless organisation in the world. And something will happen only if US wants. What do you think will happen ?
 
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