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A horse too???

WHY?
That's on the Khajuraho temples. Google the image.
Oh really?
Had no idea you are that much narrow minded person.
Why is it narrow minded?
After political changes populations DO drift apart. We ARE different. Even the Indians say so.
Even with the same ethnic stock Americans are different from Europeans. Germans are different from Austrians, Swiss and Walloons.
To appreciate architecture, music, or literature we don't have to artificially link a genetic heritage.
We can read and appreciate Shakespeare, listen to Strauss,
and appreciate the architecture of the Notre Dame de Paris without identifying ourselves as British, Germans, or French. Why do we have to artificially identify with Indians? Why even the Bangladeshis don't identify with West Bengalis as they have over the last 49 years developed their own culture.
. I believe all this is history now, my last trip was in 2011 or 12, from the things generally evident I believe the media has played its part well and now even the locals on the streets will have a very different outlook.

Surprised you traveled 8 times on a Pakistani passport to India. You must have connections, because India does not grant that many visas, and I hope your police reporting was pleasant.
Most Pakistanis do the "Mughal " Delhi Agra Sikandara Fatehpur Sikri circuit or maybe a stroll through the Charminar area slums of Hyderabad. Very few Pakistanis have heard of the Vedagiriswarar temple in Tirukalukundram ( Tamil Nadu, Kanchipuram) where two birds are supposed to fly all the way from Tibet ( Mount Kailash) every day to be fed by the temple priests.
To get to know the " real " India you must visit these places and also have a strong stomach and visit thr Kumbh Mela and watch the Naga Sadhus jump into the river. You must stand by the cremation ghats in Benares ( Varanasi) and smell the "burning ". You must watch the aughars, the unclad sadhvis, the immersion of the idols during Durga Puja ...and Ganpati. Watch the beheading of the goats in the Kali Mandir... The devdasis dancing the Andhra Natyam.
THAT is India...

Something these keyboard "experts " uploading sanitized pictures can never convey to you. Nor for that matter will their Indian Muslim compatriots who try to present a "as 'Islamic' as you " face to Pakistanis..
 
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A marvel of Vedic Engineering: Sri Vidyashankara Temple, Sringeri.

12 pillars surrounds the mandapa with figures of the 12 signs of the zodiac. They are built in such a creative way, d rays of the sun fall on each pillar in the sequential order of the months of Hindu calendar!
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Gondeshwar Temple, Maharastra built in 11th and 12th century during the rule of the Seuna (Yadava) dynasty.

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Padawali Temple , Gawlior, Madhya Pradesh is a Wonder built between 8th and 10th century

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My Dear
Was there any threat to this magnificent building from Babri Masjid?


Could the burnt people of Ahmedabad have been a threat to this great building? Are the unarmed civilians killed in Kashmir a threat to such Indian greatness?

By the way, the buildings built in India or Pakistan during the Mughal period are a thousand times more beautiful than such buildings in terms of architecture and beauty.

In Hindu Rashtra, religion is the criteria which sets standards.
A horse too???

WHY?
Horse has special significance in Hinduism, some rituals performed with horses dead and alive by Goddess etc. are documented in ancient scripture,
used for sacrifices as well in vedic times.

This is not the thread to have this discussion, so please do your own research.

Just enjoy the pics.
 
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In Hindu Rashtra, religion is the criteria which sets standards.
Of course. Sets all standards.
Horse has special significance in Hinduism, some rituals performed with horses dead and alive by Goddess etc. are documented in ancient scripture,
used for sacrifices as well in vedic times.
This is not the thread to have this discussion, so please do your own research.
Just enjoy the pics.
Since this thread is on temple pictures could some one post the
pictures from the Khajuraho temples ?
Also would like to see the pictures from the Salt Range in Pakistan.
 
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The attention to detail is very impressive


Attention to detail and a pursuit for perfection are aspects that define the success of a nation.
These aspects now don't exist in India-Pakistan.
However, there was a time when the goods we used to produce were of the highest quality, the technology that we honed was unparalleled.
Don't think the cultural ethos exists anymore.
Most are open to tourists but some are not. A certain temple in Odisha ( and quite a few others) has a notice:
"Dogs and Muslims not allowed "
Bull.
I am assuming people would fact-check ridiculous claims such as this and not succumb to them.

A word of caution to Pakistanis and Muslims in general:
1. Before visiting any temple complex in India always check with the India Tourism Development Corporation ( ITDC ) if the temple is functioning and if non-Hindus are allowed. Usually non-Hindus are NOT allowed with no exceptions ; a rule that was also imposed on the Italian born wife of the Indian Prime Minister.
A non-functional temple is usually open to tourists if it is certified as a UN World Heritage Site and protected as an archeological monument by the Archeological Survey of India.
Even so when visiting any temple be sure NOT to wear your traditional clothes ( salwar kameez, sherwani) , shave off your beard if possible, and hide your nishan-e-sujood under a western style cap. The female members of your family must take off their hijab and dress preferably in a saree with a bindi . Do not carry any food with you especially non-vegetarian food. Do NOT talk in Urdu, If you can talk in Punjabi or Gujarati you are OK otherwise talk in English. Attempting to talk in Hindi is likely to give you away.
Do NOT reveal your origins. These are dangerous times to be visiting India even if you are traveling on a European or North American passport. Lynch mobs do not ask for passports and being mistaken for an Indian Muslim is no fun. Ideally do not visit at all. The temples can wait till there is peace.
Have been there.
Mate can you share some proof of this? Muslim Indian tourists visit Indian temples and post pics, if you want you can find a million of them on the internet.
There are a couple of notoriously orthodox temples, like the Odisha temple you mentioned in one of your posts, but there practices are not the norm.
Yes I understand that todays India is way different than that of yesterdays (sadly). I have travelled to India more than 8 times (both with friends and family) and that too on Pakistani passports, surprisingly most people (locals) always thought of us as Indian but from some other part for sure, until we use to tell them we are from Pakistan and had a very favorable and welcoming gestures. Even to a point, that the entry ticket to monuments which I believe for foreigners is to be paid in $ or equivilant INR were not charged to us, despite informing them they insisted that we pay the local price only (sweet deal for sure). I believe all this is history now, my last trip was in 2011 or 12, from the things generally evident I believe the media has played its part well and now even the locals on the streets will have a very different outlook.
Hence you now have enough evidence to take most of the allegations made against Indian/Indians with a pinch of salt.
I am not denying that after Modi, certain idiots have been empowered, but if you were to visit India or I to Pakistan, both of us would be treated with hospitality.
 
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A marvel of Vedic Engineering: Sri Vidyashankara Temple, Sringeri.

12 pillars surrounds the mandapa with figures of the 12 signs of the zodiac. They are built in such a creative way, d rays of the sun fall on each pillar in the sequential order of the months of Hindu calendar!
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Gondeshwar Temple, Maharastra built in 11th and 12th century during the rule of the Seuna (Yadava) dynasty.

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Padawali Temple , Gawlior, Madhya Pradesh is a Wonder built between 8th and 10th century

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Funny the Vedic era engineers and artisans never learnt the following in architecture and building:

1. The concept of the self supporting arch which made doorways, windows and openings stronger and lighter. There is no Sanskrit word for arch. The Hindi ( Urdu ) word is " Mehrab" ( محراب) is of Arab origin.
2. Domes which keeps the ceiling high and cool in the hot summer and functions as an acoustic echo chamber that amplifies the human voice.
3. Domes are stronger and lighter than stone ceilings and are waterproof as the water rolls off the curved surfaces.
4. Domes are windproof as the wind from any direction is diverted over the aerodynamic curved surfaces imposing little load.
There is no Sanskrit word for Dome.
The Hindi ( Urdu) word is "Gumbad" ( گُمبد).
5. Ceramics: The Vedic era artisans did not know the art of ceramics or ceramic tiles which was used to line the domes and exterior surfaces, making a completely corrosion free long lasting colored surface. There is no Sanskrit word for ceramics. The Hindi ( Urdu)!word "chini" ( چینی) is of Arab origin from the word " seeni " ( سینی) meaning Chinese.,
4. Glass: Vedic era artisans never mastered the art of
making glass. Either glass panes, glass lamps, drinking glasses, chandeliers,
The Urdu words, شیشا, ساغر ، شماع have no Sanskrit equivalents.
There is a recent Hindi word invented which is "Kanch" ( کانچ).
6. Fountains :
Vedic engineers never learnt hydraulics and art of raising water pressure using rams. Which is why no Vedic building has fountains.
There is no Sanskrit word for fountain: The Hindi ( Urdu) word is " favara" ( فوارا ) .
Like wise there is no Sanskrit word for table, chair , bed, mattress, mirror, stirrup,
reins, canon, musket (or gun, ) , gunpowder, sword, catapult, spit ( kababs) , grape juice wine, sherbet, etc. Hindi wordsmiths have not invented Sanskrit equivalents yet. A 1000 year legacy is difficult to remove.
 
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Thank you for depicting Hindu culture. To add to it please add some pictures of statues depicting beastie ality from the Kama Sutra temple i .e. Intercourse between human and animals.
 
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Thank you for depicting Hindu culture. To add to it please add some pictures of statues depicting beastie ality from the Kama Sutra temple i .e. Intercourse between human and animals.
Can't be shown here due to forum rules, but these can easily be found through Pinterest, Flicker, and Google images if a search is made for "Khajuraho temples".
The Khajuraho temples, and some temples in Rajasthan. have excellent carvings depicting the rituals
 
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A word of caution to Pakistanis and Muslims in general:
1. Before visiting any temple complex in India always check with the India Tourism Development Corporation ( ITDC ) if the temple is functioning and if non-Hindus are allowed. Usually non-Hindus are NOT allowed with no exceptions ; a rule that was also imposed on the Italian born wife of the Indian Prime Minister.
A non-functional temple is usually open to tourists if it is certified as a UN World Heritage Site and protected as an archeological monument by the Archeological Survey of India.
Even so when visiting any temple be sure NOT to wear your traditional clothes ( salwar kameez, sherwani) , shave off your beard if possible, and hide your nishan-e-sujood under a western style cap. The female members of your family must take off their hijab and dress preferably in a saree with a bindi . Do not carry any food with you especially non-vegetarian food. Do NOT talk in Urdu, If you can talk in Punjabi or Gujarati you are OK otherwise talk in English. Attempting to talk in Hindi is likely to give you away.
Do NOT reveal your origins. These are dangerous times to be visiting India even if you are traveling on a European or North American passport. Lynch mobs do not ask for passports and being mistaken for an Indian Muslim is no fun. Ideally do not visit at all. The temples can wait till there is peace.
Have been there.

Not sure if you are relating from personal experience, but that has not been my experience at all.

As a Muslim, I have never been stopped while entering a temple or had to hide my Muslim identity for the same. None of my family members have experienced anything different.
 
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paritosh, post: 1280
Bull.
I am assuming people would fact-check ridiculous claims such as this and not succumb to them.
First you say it is ridiculous and then admit that a famous temple in Odisha amongst others has such norms. Please read my post when I said quite a few of the functional temples have such norms,
Mate can you share some proof of this? Muslim Indian tourists visit Indian temples and post pics, if you want you can find a million of them on the internet.
Muslim Indian tourists are a rare phenomenon in functional Hindu temples. The internal tourist traffic is as communally divided as everything else in India. The segregated and isolated Indian Muslims from the slums and ghettos today are far more religious than their secular urban elite ( most of whom have largely fled the country). They have very little interest in visiting temples with idols, an act that would in their opinion, infringe a basic tenet of their faith. Those few secular Muslims who do visit run the risk of getting lynched or being speared by a Sadhu's trishul
The era of A Passage to India is over. There are no more Dr. Azis's in India and leftist Indian Muslims like Safdar Hashmi are pushing daisies from their graves.
There are a couple of notoriously orthodox temples, like the Odisha temple you mentioned in one of your posts, but there practices are not the norm.
Please don't be apologetic. You just confirmed what I already wrote. Not many functional Hindu temples in India allow entry to non-Hindus or for that matter Dalits . The Italian born Catholic wife of a former Indian prime minister was no exception.

For the record I am all for open access to all faiths to visit all houses of worship and I condemn the ban on Hindus, from visiting the Kaaba in Mecca and the Masjid Nabawi in Medina. Especially after the norms have been somewhat relaxed for the " People of the Book "
Hence you now have enough evidence to take most of the allegations made against Indian/Indians with a pinch of salt.
I am not denying that after Modi, certain idiots have been empowered, but if you were to visit India or I to Pakistan, both of us would be treated with hospitality.
I just posted a link to a video where a Hindu with a beard was beaten up by the Madhya Pradesh police because they thought he was a Muslim, This is not an isolated incident, Muslims have been forcibly shaven and tonsured, lynched and thrown out of trains.
No tourists from any Muslim majority countries visit Hindu temples especially the functional ones. As a clean shaven Pakistani national in secular clothing with no female companions, I was able to get by, especially since my last name is a generic Punjabi Jat name.
In those days India's famous Aadhar card ( India's equivalent of the (شناختی کارڈ ) was not in use. I doubt if I will ever visit these temples again. I did visit the Pashupati Nath temple in Nepal but then being a Pakistani in Nepal and being a Pakistani in India are two very different scenarios, I rest my case.
Not sure if you are relating from personal experience, but that has not been my experience at all.

As a Muslim, I have never been stopped while entering a temple or had to hide my Muslim identity for the same. None of my family members have experienced anything different.
I hate to say this to you, that you are lying ; but I understand and sympathize with your reason for saying so. I doubt if you wrote your name in the visitor's book or showed your identity ( Aadhar) card and I assume you are clean shaven ( or if female do not wear a hijab. ).
No Indian Muslim will admit his or her plight in any Pakistani forum for fear of further stigmatization of the community,
You are already branded as 5th columnists, Desh Drohi , " Termites" ... and I could write all the epithets from the Times of India comments column, addressing the minor surgical procedure Muslim males undergo early in life. But there is no use...
I sympathize with your plight and am grateful for the sacrifices endured by your previous generation that gave us our lands.
I also wish you courage in coping with the situation today and I hope the dwindling secularists in the majority community will stand by you,
I don't know if train ticket reservations are still made under Hindu names. Probably not given the fact that the ubiquitous Aadhaar card is required. The last protection from being killed in a communal targeting of Muslim passengers is now gone.

Would strongly recommend Pakistanis to watch the Indian movie " Mr. & Mrs. Iyer "
 
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First you say it is ridiculous and then admit that a famous temple in Odisha amongst others has such norms. Please read my post when I said quite a few of the functional temples have such norms,

Muslim Indian tourists are a rare phenomenon in functional Hindu temples. The internal tourist traffic is as communally divided as everything else in India. The segregated and isolated Indian Muslims from the slums and ghettos today are far more religious than their secular urban elite ( most of whom have largely fled the country). They have very little interest in visiting temples with idols, an act that would in their opinion, infringe a basic tenet of their faith. Those few secular Muslims who do visit run the risk of getting lynched or being speared by a Sadhu's trishul
The era of A Passage to India is over. There are no more Dr. Azis's in India and leftist Indian Muslims like Safdar Hashmi are pushing daisies from their graves.

Please don't be apologetic. You just confirmed what I already wrote. Not many functional Hindu temples in India allow entry to non-Hindus or for that matter Dalits . The Italian born Catholic wife of a former Indian prime minister was no exception.

For the record I am all for open access to all faiths to visit all houses of worship and I condemn the ban on Hindus, from visiting the Kaaba in Mecca and the Masjid Nabawi in Medina. Especially after the norms have been somewhat relaxed for the " People of the Book "

I just posted a link to a video where a Hindu with a beard was beaten up by the Madhya Pradesh police because they thought he was a Muslim, This is not an isolated incident, Muslims have been forcibly shaven and tonsured, lynched and thrown out of trains.
No tourists from any Muslim majority countries visit Hindu temples especially the functional ones. As a clean shaven Pakistani national in secular clothing with no female companions, I was able to get by, especially since my last name is a generic Punjabi Jat name.
In those days India's famous Aadhar card ( India's equivalent of the (شناختی کارڈ ) was not in use. I doubt if I will ever visit these temples again. I did visit the Pashupati Nath temple in Nepal but then being a Pakistani in Nepal and being a Pakistani in India are two very different scenarios, I rest my case.

I hate to say this to you, that you are lying ; but I understand and sympathize with your reason for saying so. I doubt if you wrote your name in the visitor's book or showed your identity ( Aadhar) card and I assume you are clean shaven ( or if female do not wear a hijab. ).
No Indian Muslim will admit his or her plight in any Pakistani forum for fear of further stigmatization of the community,
You are already branded as 5th columnists, Desh Drohi , " Termites" ... and I could write all the epithets from the Times of India comments column, addressing the minor surgical procedure Muslim males undergo early in life. But there is no use...
I sympathize with your plight and am grateful for the sacrifices endured by your previous generation that gave us our lands.
I also wish you courage in coping with the situation today and I hope the dwindling secularists in the majority community will stand by you,
I don't know if train ticket reservations are still made under Hindu names. Probably not given the fact that the ubiquitous Aadhaar card is required. The last protection from being killed in a communal targeting of Muslim passengers is now gone.

Would strongly recommend Pakistanis to watch the Indian movie " Mr. & Mrs. Iyer "
Why do you have an Indian flag though?

India's Muslim population is simply too large for a genocide or a massive ghar wapsi. As a Muhajir looking over from the other side, I am equally invested in the plight of Indian Muslims as well.

Some states of India are already at 30-35% Muslim population. That's too much to whisk away like Rohingyas, they are firmly entrenched within their state's demographics. Just to put things into perspective, WB and West UP have more Muslims than Syria, Kazakhstan, Malaysia or Afghanistan. And Indian Muslims are too spread out for the Hindu nationalists to ever completely wipe them out.

It's definitely going to be hard for the Indian Muslims for the next 30-50 years. But population growth and demographics are going to tilt things in their favor, especially in Assam and WB. And the world will not sit by if there is a massacre of 250 million people.
 
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I hate to say this to you, that you are lying ; but I understand and sympathize with your reason for saying so. I doubt if you wrote your name in the visitor's book or showed your identity ( Aadhar) card and I assume you are clean shaven ( or if female do not wear a hijab. ).
No Indian Muslim will admit his or her plight in any Pakistani forum for fear of further stigmatization of the community,
You are already branded as 5th columnists, Desh Drohi , " Termites" ... and I could write all the epithets from the Times of India comments column, addressing the minor surgical procedure Muslim males undergo early in life. But there is no use...
I sympathize with your plight and am grateful for the sacrifices endured by your previous generation that gave us our lands.
I also wish you courage in coping with the situation today and I hope the dwindling secularists in the majority community will stand by you,
I don't know if train ticket reservations are still made under Hindu names. Probably not given the fact that the ubiquitous Aadhaar card is required. The last protection from being killed in a communal targeting of Muslim passengers is now gone.

Would strongly recommend Pakistanis to watch the Indian movie " Mr. & Mrs. Iyer "

I don't need to lie. I have simply stated my personal experience. It's not like we visit temples often. But when we do (for tourism purposes), we never had a problem and no one in my family ever related any experience otherwise. No one ever fills out a visitor book. I do not even know where I would find one. My last visit to a temple was a couple of years ago to the Monkey temple in Jaipur. I wasn't particularly impressed. Just too many monkeys running around. Our fear was being attacked by the monkeys than any Hindu.

Other than that, there is a temple every two steps in India and hard to avoid one. No one ever visits those

Regarding train tickets. Your information is outdated. Yes there was a time, mostly in the 90s, when Muslims would use a different name for a reservation, but that was when reservation lists were posted on the side of the bogie. This was prevalent mostly when travelling to places in East UP. Wasn't known to be practiced in Mumbai or the south. But even in those circumstances, there were Muslims with the traditional kurta-pyjama and burqa who would make the journey. Nowadays, there is no need to falsify names, because tickets are either a code on your mobile phone or require a corresponding ID.

My own personal experience is related here:
 
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Why do you have an Indian flag though?
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Don't have one.Kindly explain.
India's Muslim population is simply too large for a genocide or a massive ghar wapsi. As a Muhajir looking over from the other side, I am equally invested in the plight of Indian Muslims as well.
A large population not rooted in a geographical territory is easily exterminated or assimilated. There was a large Buddhist population in India with even a ruling Buddhist Emperor ( Ashoka ). That didn't stop Hindus from reducing Buddhism to an insignificant fringe religion in India.
Some states of India are already at 30-35% Muslim population. That's too much to whisk away like Rohingyas, they are firmly entrenched within their state's demographics. Just to put things into perspective, WB and West UP have more Muslims than Syria, Kazakhstan, Malaysia or Afghanistan. And Indian Muslims are too spread out for the Hindu nationalists to ever completely wipe them out.

Disagree. Numbers mean little when a population is politically disenfranchised and economically reduced to hunger and starvation and above all defenseless and unable to protect itself from massacre and rape. A good example is the case of the Central African Republic where Muslims constituting 35% of the population have been almost completely eliminated. In Bosnia the Muslims were in a majority and have been reduced through massacres and expulsions to 42% of the population and still declining through migration. Muslims have vanished from Macedonia. So many Chechens have been eliminated that Russia will not even allow a census in the region. The earlier examples of Christians backed cleansing of Andalusian Muslims in Spain and the elimination of 80% of the Muslim population ( in majority) in Central Asia by the Mongols is well known.
Indian Muslims are facing a rabid hysterical fascist regime backed by a billion strong Hindutva motivated population that has voted it to power and will sustain it for the foreseeable future.
It's definitely going to be hard for the Indian Muslims for the next 30-50 years. But population growth and demographics are going to tilt things in their favor, especially in Assam and WB. And the world will not sit by if there is a massacre of 250 million people.
In twenty years the world will see the elimination of 200 million people which in numerical terms will be the greatest Holocaust ever. However as a percentage of the global Muslim population it would be a fraction of the earlier losses sustained at the hands of the Mongols.
The "world" will stand by and watch just as it has stood by and watched in Bosnia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, the Central African Republic and Myanmar, Bosnia was partially saved due to Turkey's threat to intervene, and a weakened Russia at that time. No country is going to take on a billion strong population with a 2.5 million strong armed forces equipped with nuclear weapons on behalf of Indian Muslims who will be dubbed diplomatically as " India's Internal Problem ".
A parallel:
The world did not care for Germany's Jews. The Allies fought Germany only because of Germanys military aggression, and expansionism against other countries, If Germany had concentrated only on elimination of Jews no one would have cared, In fact despite its defeat Germany largely achieved the goal of removal of Jews from its land. Most of the surviving Jews migrated out. Hindutva run India is hoping to achieve just that concentrating on elimination of Muslims in phases starting by first weakening them economically and disenfranchising them, The CAA and NCR laws are the first step., There is flight of the minuscule population of elite Muslims out of India today, They are fleeing to Canada, North America, Australia mostly, and some have accepted the offer of citizenship in Saudi Arabia under their new citizenship laws.Those who can get away are leaving. Even the actor Amir Khan with a Hindu wife is fearful for his family and has openly discussed leaving.
 
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Don't have one.Kindly explain.

A large population not rooted in a geographical territory is easily exterminated or assimilated. There was a large Buddhist population in India with even a ruling Buddhist Emperor ( Ashoka ). That didn't stop Hindus from reducing Buddhism to an insignificant fringe religion in India.


Disagree. Numbers mean little when a population is politically disenfranchised and economically reduced to hunger and starvation and above all defenseless and unable to protect itself from massacre and rape. A good example is the case of the Central African Republic where Muslims constituting 35% of the population have been almost completely eliminated. In Bosnia the Muslims were in a majority and have been reduced through massacres and expulsions to 42% of the population and still declining through migration. Muslims have vanished from Macedonia. So many Chechens have been eliminated that Russia will not even allow a census in the region. The earlier examples of Christians backed cleansing of Andalusian Muslims in Spain and the elimination of 80% of the Muslim population ( in majority) in Central Asia by the Mongols is well known.
Indian Muslims are facing a rabid hysterical fascist regime backed by a billion strong Hindutva motivated population that has voted it to power and will sustain it for the foreseeable future.

In twenty years the world will see the elimination of 200 million people which in numerical terms will be the greatest Holocaust ever. However as a percentage of the global Muslim population it would be a fraction of the earlier losses sustained at the hands of the Mongols.
The "world" will stand by and watch just as it has stood by and watched in Bosnia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, the Central African Republic and Myanmar, Bosnia was partially saved due to Turkey's threat to intervene, and a weakened Russia at that time. No country is going to take on a billion strong population with a 2.5 million strong armed furces equipped with nuclear weapons on behalf of Indian Muslims who will be dubbed diplomatically as " India's Internal Problem ".
A parsllel:
The world did not care for Germany's Jews. The Allies fought Germany only because of Germanys military aggression and expansionism against other countries, If Germany had concentrated only on elimination of Jews no one would have cared, In fact despite its defeat Germany largely achieved the goal of removal of Jews from its land. Most of the surviving Jews migrated out. Hindutva run India is hoping to achieve just that concentrating on elimination of Muslims in phases starting by first weakening them economically and disenfranchising them, The CAA and NCR laws are the first step., There is flight of the minuscule population of elite Muslims out of India today, They are fleeing to Canada, North America, Australia mostly and some have accepted the offer of citizenship in Saudi Arabia under their new citizenship laws.

I have a different view on the end goal of the Sanghis....not that it is any better than what you have described above.

We all agree that the current situation in India is a march towards the re-establishment of Brahmin supremacy and the caste system. However, Brahmin supremacy can only be maintained as long as there is a caste system.

Since the caste hierarchy works as long as there is a caste lower than you to oppress, the creation of Muslims as the neo-dalits is one of the goals that would ensure the survival of the caste structure. So as long as there was a rung lower than the Dalits, the Dalits would be loathe to break up the caste system.

This is where the NRC comes into play. The NRC would render millions of Muslims as stateless. Since they all cannot be sent to detention camps and gas chambers, the lack of documents would prevent any upward social and economic mobility and essentially create the neo-Dalits that would be needed for the caste system to survive.
 
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