In preparation for war with China, the US military will purchase over 12,000+ JASSM stealth cruise missiles and 1,300+ LRASMs and may increase further

[etylo]

Desert Storm was a shocker for China. Iraq was a customer of Chinese arms, so in many ways, a nominal 'ally' to China. So in the past 30-something yrs, China saw two major allies either defeated or floundered in wars.

With Iraq, China saw quantity defeated by quality. The brawn of the Iraqi military outsmarted by the brains of the allies.

With Russia, China saw quantity ineffectively applied. Sympathetic analysts put it as incompetence and not so kind analysts called it a clusterfvck.

In both, China, and the rest of the world, saw the importance of joint or combined arms operations, and each military, including the PLA, recognized how woefully inadequate it is with introspection. China is a land power, not a maritime power. The UK was protected by the same distance of water as Taiwan. The PLA is institutionally dominated by the Army but will the Army cede control over to the Navy when it comes to Taiwan?

You know plain nothing of China and PLA, but only your delusions. Lol, when did Saddam Hussein become China's ally ? He was unequivocally Yankees' man as we all know, try to wash off your dirty hands by mud slanging China now .

 

[antonius123]

The US launched 500 cruise missiles in the opening 24 hours of the Iraq War in ‘03.

The US would launch 2,000-3,000 missiles in the opening 48 hours against China along with hundreds of bombs and torpedo launches.

From where?

China has hundreds of DF-21D, DF26 that can reach all US launching missile platform in western pacific.

Even if their production facilities went untouched, not even China could build modern day warships fast enough to matter. It’s not WW2 anymore. No one can produce ships that fast, not if you want your ship to survive.

And the US can produce bombs and missiles a lot faster than China can build ships.

China will go to war with what they have, and if 50%+ is lost it’s game over for China.

That is in line with industrial power where China excel US now.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653554240218976257

In another significant development, it’s confirmed that the AIM-260 air-air missile is entering production this year.

 

[gambit]

You know plain nothing of China and PLA, but only your delusions.

And YOU do? Probably the closest to China you been to is the local Panda Express.

 

[MH.Yang]

Rather than saying that these missiles are used by the USA to threaten China, it is better to say that they are used to threaten small countries that want to break away from the US dollar system.

That's why I said it was the USA imitating the Soviet Union's exercise in 1981. The Soviet exercise in 1981 was nominally a threat to Western countries, but in reality it was a threat to Eastern European countries.

The USA is becoming more and more like the Soviet Union.

 

[xyxmt]

China is doing to US with US did with Russia

 

[ThunderCat]

It probably won't happen. Two nuclear powers will never go to war with each other, otherwise Americans would have taken on North Korea a long time ago.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The US wants total annex China just like Russia wants to annex Ukraine.

 

[kris]

That won't happen; everyone will be forced to choose a side.

Not necessarily. The days of polarized world are over.

While China can replace its entire navy in 2 years it will take USA 20 years in manpower and Industrial capacity. USA is the Modren USSR.

That's quite an underestimation.
Second USA will target Chinese manufacturing based in case of a war. Not easy to recover in 2 year time frame.

 

[kris]

Russia didn't use ballistic missiles extensively in Ukraine and initially stayed away from targeting civilian infrastructure as well Ukraine's supply lines from the West. China on the other hand will have no qualms about launching a massive salvo of ballistic missiles from the onset against Taiwan's strategic and civilians infrastructure. Plus, unlike Ukraine, Taiwan is small with high density target rich environment and China will be able to blockade it, preventing any supplies from coming in.

The same things will apply to China as well

 

[kris]

The current situation is really similar to the USA and Japan before the outbreak of the Pacific War.

Japan has naval advantages, but the USA has industrial advantages. The situation is opposite now, with China's annual shipbuilding capacity of 39.7 million tons and the USA annual shipbuilding capacity of 400k tons.


By the way, American ships are very old. Most of China's warships were commissioned after 2012, while most of the US warships were manufactured during the Cold War.

First, Regarding Chinese ship building capacity - how much tonnage is for civilian shipping and how much for Military purpose?
Despite the fact that American systems are old they are upgraded to latest levels.

Second, what's the reserve capacity of China Vs USA. Any senior member should answer.

 

[beijingwalker]

First, Regarding Chinese ship building capacity -

 

[jhungary]

Desert Storm was a shocker for China. Iraq was a customer of Chinese arms, so in many ways, a nominal 'ally' to China. So in the past 30-something yrs, China saw two major allies either defeated or floundered in wars.

With Iraq, China saw quantity defeated by quality. The brawn of the Iraqi military outsmarted by the brains of the allies.

With Russia, China saw quantity ineffectively applied. Sympathetic analysts put it as incompetence and not so kind analysts called it a clusterfvck.

In both, China, and the rest of the world, saw the importance of joint or combined arms operations, and each military, including the PLA, recognized how woefully inadequate it is with introspection. China is a land power, not a maritime power. The UK was protected by the same distance of water as Taiwan. The PLA is institutionally dominated by the Army but will the Army cede control over to the Navy when it comes to Taiwan?

China would WANT to copy our air doctrine as much as possible, that's what and how 21st century war fights. The problem is, the Chinese Air Force is not going to be able to pull what we did back in both Iraq war (1991/2003) That's because doctrine wise, they aren't capable to pull combine arms operation as much as western army did. They followed the Soviet Doctrine so much, they can't really fight the way outside what the Russian did.

And then you are talking about attack on an island. That's the hardest for all combine arms operation because the net asset you need it maximum, you need to coordinate all 3 branches and function into one, and from the Chinese formation and TO&E, they are just too big to be able to maneuver like that. The best the Chinese can do in Taiwan is to do what we did back in Normandy, which is simply throwing man and bodies on the pile and hope they can overwhelm the local defence, that would work if their supply line is up to the task, but if they do the Russian 40 mile convoy, there are going to be a slaughter.

That's reality, but PDF Chinese here think differently, their DF-Whatever missile will destroy everything Taiwan had before Chinese infantry set foot in Taiwan, they landed unopposed and win a glorious victory without losing anything. Fact is, if we loses 5000 men in Afghanistan fighting pleasant in flipflops, that casualty number is going to be multiple fold if the Chinese is up against a near peer enemy, they just didn't see it that way lol

 

[PakFactor]

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Do you realize that's just U.S. assets West of the International Date Line? If the U.S. goes to war, it'll bring everything it has to the front along with allies.

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you realize that's just U.S. assets West of the International Date Line? If the U.S. goes to war, it'll bring everything it has to the front along with allies.

I doubt if US will bring everything there just for Taiwan, besides, with China's unrivaled shipbuilding capability, we'll see a major shift of naval power in 10-15 years, the window is closing fast on US.