In Future we should get Gripen NG for our AF

[Banglar Lathial]

Israel,S.Korea,Singapore are rich,N.Korea starves its own people to buy weapons.....wouldn't it be cheaper for us to have a better Anti Aircraft system then to buy Advanced fighters??How about some S300s from the billion dollar deal??

None of so called "Israel" or Singapore are 'rich' (by a considerable margin) compared to Bangladesh, because Bangladesh's GDP based on PPP in 2006 (last year of BNP-alliance rule) was more than 330 billion dollars. Same index for so called "Israel" and Singapore were less than 300 billion dollars each.

Since you think North Korea starves its people (despite the fact that Hindostan has the highest number of starving people in world), doesn't it make much more sense to buy fighter aircrafts as you think both rich and poor countries buy lots of fighter aircrafts? There are many other examples - Syria (Bashar al Assad), Armenia, Belarus etc.

Which countries of the world use Gripen? South Africa, Thailand, Czech Republic - and all of them use it in small numbers. That's because none of them intend to use this aircraft in a conflict. They do not share a troubled neighbourhood.

What is Burmese GDP? And how many MiG-29 did they order? What about Burmese Air Defence?

It would be MUCH CHEAPER to NOT BUY ANY WEAPONS AT ALL in financial terms, but that would be EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE for the sovereignty, independence and strategic interests of Bangladesh.

 

[Anubis]

None of so called "Israel" or Singapore are 'rich' (by a considerable margin) compared to Bangladesh, because Bangladesh's GDP based on PPP in 2006 (last year of BNP-alliance rule) was more than 330 billion dollars. Same index for so called "Israel" and Singapore were less than 300 billion dollars each.

Since you think North Korea starves its people (despite the fact that Hindostan has the highest number of starving people in world), doesn't it make much more sense to buy fighter aircrafts as you think both rich and poor countries buy lots of fighter aircrafts? There are many other examples - Syria (Bashar al Assad), Armenia, Belarus etc.

Which countries of the world use Gripen? South Africa, Thailand, Czech Republic - and all of them use it in small numbers. That's because none of them intend to use this aircraft in a conflict. They do not share a trouble some neighbourhood.

What is Burmese GDP? And how many MiG-29 did they order? What about Burmese Air Defence?

It would be MUCH CHEAPER to NOT BUY ANY WEAPONS AT ALL in financial terms, but that would be EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE for the sovereignty, independence and strategic interests of Bangladesh.

Our GDP per capita is low.Our HDI is low.Singapores GDP per capita is $60,000.Israel recieves 30 billion dollar aid from the US every year.I agree that we should be on par with Burma.So we should go for more Mig29s and a stronger air defence system.That's why I proposed buying of S300s instead of Gripens.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Our GDP per capita is low.Our HDI is low.Singapores GDP per capita is $60,000.Israel recieves 30 billion dollar aid from the US every year.I agree that we should be on par with Burma.So we should go for more Mig29s and a stronger air defence system.That's why I proposed buying of S300s instead of Gripens.

The S-300 is nice. Though, not cheap.

However, I am doubtful if the Indians would ever allow us to access such a powerful system. They have a powerful lobby at The Kremlin.

Myanmar's air defense systems are largely outdated by today's standards. Though, they operate around 32 MiG-29's. Variants are thought to be SE standard.

Our best bet would be either Chinese or Western (if wallet allows). But before anything, Bangladesh really need a national defense policy, which it doesn't have at present. And of-course, there's always the money.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Our GDP per capita is low.Our HDI is low.Singapores GDP per capita is $60,000.Israel recieves 30 billion dollar aid from the US every year.I agree that we should be on par with Burma.So we should go for more Mig29s and a stronger air defence system.That's why I proposed buying of S300s instead of Gripens.

Shifting the goal posts again?

What was the earlier 'criterion' you used?

Singapore did NOT purchase all its weapons TODAY, they purchased them in the PAST, gradually, over the years, and built up a respectable inventory as it stands today.

So called "Israel" receives around 3 (not 30) billion dollars in official aid, but much more in unofficial aid, BUT, they operate a greater number of 'modern' (4th generation by Western standards) fighter aircrafts than India.

And, there were the cases of Hindostan, Burma, North Korea, Syria, Armenia, Belarus, even Uganda got six Su-30 and Bangladesh got nothing!

Utterly clueless people led by utterly clueless politicians and bureaucrats.

Even tiny, worthless desert wasteland Jordan with a smaller GDP than Dhaka city or Yemen with extremely low HDI operate a lot more fighter aircrafts and MBTs than Bangladesh, for example. Though their navies are lacking, it's understandable because those are deserts and all desert dwelling countries invariable have no clue about naval buildups or naval warfare.

 

[Anubis]

The S-300 is nice. Though, not cheap.

However, I am doubtful if the Indians would ever allow us to access such a powerful system. They have a powerful lobby at The Kremlin.

Myanmar's air defense systems are largely outdated by today's standards. Though, they operate around 32 MiG-29's. Variants are thought to be SE standard.

Our best bet would be either Chinese or Western (if wallet allows). But before anything, Bangladesh really need a national defense policy, which it doesn't have at present. And of-course, there's always the money.

Don't the Chinese make anything better than the FM-90??How do the tunisians work on unmanned choppers with much lower budget than ours??Seriously we need a defense policy and start indigenous research programs!

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Even tiny, worthless desert wasteland Jordan with a smaller GDP than Dhaka city or Yemen with extremely low HDI operate a lot more fighter aircrafts and MBTs than Bangladesh, for example. Though their navies are lacking, it's understandable because those are deserts and all desert dwelling countries invariable have no clue about naval buildups or naval warfare.

Jordan has higher GDP per capita than Bangladesh hence can afford to spend probably greater percentage of GDP on defence.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Another thing I forgot to mention: Will and commitment from the nation's tops levels as far as development of our armed forces go.

The armed forces may require a list of equipment after detailed and professional technical analysis and evaluations, but the commitment from the nation's top levels really do matter. That is also one area we are lacking in as well! Corruption is there too!

Additionally, a working national defense policy is A MUST. That way, we can secure technologies that are sensitive in a transparent manner.

Don't the Chinese make anything better than the FM-90??How do the tunisians work on unmanned choppers with much lower budget than ours??Seriously we need a defense policy and start indigenous research programs!

The Chinese do make the HQ-9. They've been tendering in Turkey's SAM program recently

 

[EagleEyes]

what is your ranting, troll?

Mind your language before talking about my country... We are not running on Cheddi economy like you...
@Loki... what the heck is this.... what kinda **** is he talking about...

Report the post, stop using the mention feature to report the post.

Well, I know that we cant afford to buy right now. But in future we must replace our obsolate Fighters, may be after 2014. In future if we buy Fighters we should get the Gripen NG. After some research you may also say that we should go for Gripen NG.

Why I liked Gripen NG?

* Netcentric Fighter - A truly Network connected next generation multi-role fighter with the world’s most highly developed secure and multi-frequency data link.
* Superior Sensor Fusion – Latest generation avionic mission system with high computation power operating on ultra fast digital data bus highways.
* Smart Digital Cockpit - An advanced fully digital cockpit layout with large colour, Multi-Functional Displays (MFD) and Hands-On-Throttle-And-Stick (HOTAS) provides the pilot with a superior situation awareness.
* First to know - first to act - A combination of low radar, IR and visual signatures, along with a state-of-the-art AESA radar, an Infra Red Search and Track (IRST) sensor and superior sensor fusion, including world leading new generation weapons integration, ensure a high hit ratio in any engagement.
* Outstanding Agility - The world’s most agile fighter for close combat. A combination of advanced aerodynamic layout, utilizing a combined close-coupled canard – delta configuration and a triplex, digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System (FCS). A winning Dog-Fight capability in combination with the latest generation high off-bore sight missiles and Helmet Mounted Display (HMD).
* High Operational Tempo - Gripen’s high operational availability, rapid turnaround and minimal support requirements enables sustained high sortie rates providing Commanders the ability to meet the most demanding operations with minimum resources.
* Affordability - Gripen NG achieves the lowest operating cost of any modern fighter. This is accomplished by combining advanced system design and modern commercial off the shelf (COTS) components with the highly reliable and powerful General Electric F414G engine.

Some Sweet Features

* Multi-role capability
* Highly effective in all roles
* A powerful and proven engine
* AESA radar
* Advanced Communication systems
* Tactical Data Link
* Supercruise
* Advanced Electronic warfare
* Strategic reach
* Advanced Weapons Capacity
* Customer-specific weapons
* Combat radius : 1000+ km
* Ferry range : 4000+ km - with drop tanks

Cost

Price of a Fighter - 60+ Mil USD
Cost per hour of Flight - 4000 - 4500 USD

At last

I would like to see 48 Gripen NG and 2 Gripen NG trainer in our Air force. Gripen NG can do the work of EF Typhoon with a half price! Gripen NG is our Economy Friendly, its Cost per hour of Flight is 4000 - 4500 USD and Mig-29 Cost per hour of Flight is 6000-7000 USD or more. You might also know our f-7 also cost us 4000-4500 USD per hour of flight.

So what you think, Should we get the Gripen NG for Our Air force?

Bangladesh will be better off going to the Russian or Chinese route.

JF-17 IMO perfectly fits the bit as low cost, effective solution.

Su-30 or Su-35 could be used for air superiority role. Besides most of the weapons integration can be taken place with no problem, hence no need for diverse weapon systems of different origins.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

The S-300 is nice. Though, not cheap.

However, I am doubtful if the Indians would ever allow us to access such a powerful system. They have a powerful lobby at The Kremlin.

Myanmar's air defense systems are largely outdated by today's standards. Though, they operate around 32 MiG-29's. Variants are thought to be SE standard.

Our best bet would be either Chinese or Western (if wallet allows). But before anything, Bangladesh really need a national defense policy, which it doesn't have at present. And of-course, there's always the money.

This is just one of those hoaxes they created to fool themselves.

Putin's Defensive Visit to India

(Original article in Kommersant but they have removed the English article from their site, apparently)

Putin's Defensive Visit to India
Kommersant ^ | Jan. 26, 2007 | Andrey Kolesnikov
Posted on 26/1/2007 17:41:36 by sukhoi-30mki

Defensive Visit to India

Russian President Vladimir Putin began a visit to India yesterday. Kommersant special correspondent Andrey Kolesnikov was especially interested in several intrigues in Russian-Indian relations, but none of them went beyond the bounds of that.

There were several intrigues surrounding the arrival of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Indian capital of Delhi. I was interested in whether or not the Indians had signed an agreement on participation in the creation of a fifth generation of heavy fighter plane. I was truly interested. I couldn't rest until I found out why a country that had recovered its place in the world couldn't create the jet without them.

In addition, Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov's report from the Indian city of Bangalore that the Indians may be interested in a project to develop the Sakhalin 3 oil deposit interested everybody. He made that announcement just before the president's arrival, sending a shockwave through the Russian and world petroleum industry, and especially the Chinese petroleum industry, which also has its eye on Sakhalin 3.

It's 23 degrees C (73 degrees F) in Delhi. It is as dirty on the grounds of the presidential palace as on the streets. On the lawn, a more-or-less exact copy of the lawn at American House, where journalists' briefings are held, the same beggars are lined up as on the Delhi streets. When they announce that Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh are about to pass by to sign their international agreements in the open air, they get up, brush themselves off and move closer to the microphone, and suddenly I realize that they are Indian journalists. And I realize that even Russian journalists, not known for their business dress, look good by comparison.

Religion – Russiapedia Basic facts about Russia

Four religions are official: Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Judaism

And here's what apparently set some of those 'bovine excretion' consumers ablaze.

BBC News - India MPs angry as Russia court ponders Hindu book ban

Indian MPs have expressed outrage and forced an adjournment of parliament in protest at a court case in Russia that could see a Hindu holy book banned.

If those folks had any sway over Russian decision, why has Russia been the principal source of weapons imports for China for the last two decades? Which is the single most capable adversary of those Sangh Parivar imbeciles? Pakistan?

Or China?


Think long, think hard. Read history, and analyze trends.

It'd be obvious, if needed, from conversations with Russian friends and acquaintances in Russia (not living abroad), if you have any, that Russia's major concern is NATO, and China is their major ally in countering that. However, China being located next to them and a major global power in its own right in all spheres of life (economy, culture, science, military, possession of the nuclear triad, operation global satellite navigational system, ASAT test, etc), they feel that even a much weaker (even if disgustingly poor, malnourished, disorganized and incapable) counterweight to China in its southern periphery must be empowered to ensure they maintain some sort of 'hold' on China (although those plans are bound to fail, they still try).

The reason Pakistan does not obtain any major system is its own diplomatic failure, and for its role in helping the Mujahideen in the 1980s. It has little to do with so called "Indian lobby". They could not give two hoots to India, they express the same 'glee' or diplomatic admiration for all their clients from Vietnam to Venezuela. Except China, none of their traditional weapons importers is capable of challenging them, and they still sell these weapons to China when China overpowers those weakling Gandhians so easily they were 'crushed' like bugs in 1962.

Russia mostly understands one thing, that's money and more money.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Jordan has higher GDP per capita than Bangladesh hence can afford to spend probably greater percentage of GDP on defence.

Worthless comment (as expected, thus you go on ignore list).

Jordan's defence exp. as % of GDP is higher than Norway's, which has a much higher GDP per capita than Jordan. One has little to do with the other. Moreover, Jordan lost all wars in its history, they even lost Jerusalem and then ended up making peace without regaining Jerusalem with that shame hanging around their necks to this day.

Then, there are Burma, North Korea, Syria, Armenia, Belarus, Uganda, Vietnam, South Korea, Singapore, so called "Israel", and dozens of other countries that could be named.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@Banglar Lathial My prime concern is whether the Russians can sell us technology in a secured manner.

And if they can assure us that, then there shouldn't be any problem.

By the way, China is a big and influential country unlike Bangladesh. Additionally, its Su-30MKK's and MK2's are a bit inferior to that of India's MKI's.

Do you know why Russia doesn't sell offensive platforms to Pakistan? It's very simple! India is the most important military customer for Russia, and they'll never risk losing that kind of customer.

If Bangladesh does indeed acquire any weapon from Russia to counter Indian influence, India will always have an edge simply because of the nature of their military relationship. The Russians are no fools, mate.

Bangladesh is a small country, and it will need to ensure every edge it can possibly gain over India. And Russia is simply not a reliable source.

Of-course, Russians would like money. But giving us an edge is something else entirely. Remember, we are a small country.

Russia and China do generally cooperate together against NATO, but that is a different affair. India wants to keep the neighborhood such that it runs on its own terms. And not on the host countries.

Simply put, we need to keep a low profile while ensuring that we handle things on our own terms. And not on India's.

Being militarily hostile toward India is the last thing we'd want to do for the time being. There are many other factors for Bangladesh to address India's rising influence. Not just military.

And please, mind your language

 

[Anubis]

Shifting the goal posts again?

What was the earlier 'criterion' you used?

Singapore did NOT purchase all its weapons TODAY, they purchased them in the PAST, gradually, over the years, and built up a respectable inventory as it stands today.

So called "Israel" receives around 3 (not 30) billion dollars in official aid, but much more in unofficial aid, BUT, they operate a greater number of 'modern' (4th generation by Western standards) fighter aircrafts than the world's largest dump with the highest number of illiterates and hungry.

And, there were the cases of Hindostan, Burma, North Korea, Syria, Armenia, Belarus, even Uganda got six Su-30 and Bangladesh got nothing!

Utterly clueless people led by utterly clueless politicians and bureaucrats.

Even tiny, worthless desert wasteland Jordan with a smaller GDP than Dhaka city or Yemen with extremely low HDI operate a lot more fighter aircrafts and MBTs than Bangladesh, for example. Though their navies are lacking, it's understandable because those are deserts and all desert dwelling countries invariable have no clue about naval buildups or naval warfare.

Yes we need aircrafts.But we cannot afford Gripens(The thread is about gripens).Bangladesh is 'poor' state heading towards becoming a social welfare state.The countries you compare Bangladesh to:
1.India-middle income country(Bangladesh is low income country).Faces conflict with Pakistan and China.
2.Burma-military regime
3.North Korea-Military first policy(Dictatorial regime)
4.Syria-Dictatorial regime backed by military
5.Armenia-6 times per capita gdp than bangladesh,higher HDI.
6.Belarus-15 times per capita gdp,high HDI,part of the soviet union.
7.Uganda-1/3 of the parliament is appointed by the military.the have 17 fighters in total.
8.Jordan-5 times our GDP per capita.higher HDI. Situated in the most volatile region on this planet.
9.Singapore-Exploited it's ports(their ports has been being used by nations since time immemorial)Very high HDI,Very high gdp per capita.
10.Yemen-Dictatorial regime until last year.
For us to increase our military spending will mean we will of to cut spending from other projects.Kindly name some projects that we should discontinue to fund our military.Our monetary policy is not a military first policy.Human development is prioritized in our system.You cannot change that.

 

[danger007]

This is just one of those hoaxes they created to fool themselves.

Putin's Defensive Visit to India

(Original article in Kommersant but they have removed the English article from their site, apparently)





Religion – Russiapedia Basic facts about Russia




And here's what apparently set some of those 'bovine excretion' consumers ablaze.

BBC News - India MPs angry as Russia court ponders Hindu book ban




If those folks had any sway over Russian decision, why has Russia been the principal source of weapons imports for China for the last two decades? Which is the single most capable adversary of those Sangh Parivar imbeciles? Pakistan?

Or China?


Think long, think hard. Read history, and analyze trends.

It'd be obvious, if needed, from conversations with Russian friends and acquaintances in Russia (not living abroad), if you have any, that Russia's major concern is NATO, and China is their major ally in countering that. However, China being located next to them and a major global power in its own right in all spheres of life (economy, culture, science, military, possession of the nuclear triad, operation global satellite navigational system, ASAT test, etc), they feel that even a much weaker (even if disgustingly poor, malnourished, disorganized and incapable) counterweight to China in its southern periphery must be empowered to ensure they maintain some sort of 'hold' on China (although those plans are bound to fail, they still try).

The reason Pakistan does not obtain any major system is its own diplomatic failure, and for its role in helping the Mujahideen in the 1980s. It has little to do with so called "Indian lobby". They could not give two hoots to India, they express the same 'glee' or diplomatic admiration for all their clients from Vietnam to Venezuela. Except China, none of their traditional weapons importers is capable of challenging them, and they still sell these weapons to China when China overpowers those weakling Gandhians so easily they were 'crushed' like bugs in 1962.

Russia mostly understands one thing, that's money and more money.

Those Bugs helped you to become a separate state....

Gripen is needless costly option just go with JF-17 fit for the $$$... costly JET doesn't mean Best.... you should go according to the requirement not according to price and just speed....


coming to moderation.... it is a joke now a days.... So any one can post like him...

 

[UKBengali]

@RiasatKhan

"For us to increase our military spending will mean we will of to cut spending from other projects.Kindly name some projects that we should discontinue to fund our military.Our monetary policy is not a military first policy.Human development is prioritized in our system.You cannot change that"

Actually there is no need to "cut" spending in Human Development if the money that goes to military is increased.

The reason is that BD currently spends only 15-16% of it's GDP on government spending. This is forecast to increase to around 18-20% by the end of this decade.

Provided the increase in GDP devoted to defence goes up by say only around 1% a year(and is also phased in over many years) then there should not be any real effect on Human Development spending.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

@Banglar Lathial

Learn to speak/write in English before you discuss in an English language forum.

Your post above does not make sense.

Sorry for spelling errors. I have used my mobile so, i cant preview it properly. (now on mobile too)

Then Bro please use some of your sense to understand it.