In Coronavirus Crisis, Korean City Tries Openness, a Contrast to China

[Mista]

BTW, do you remember the TaiShang guy from Taiwan? I haven't heard of him for a long time. Is he a fake one like the nihonji or something esle?

I'm not sure. It's common for members come and go in forums.

 

[Handshake]

3 Patients with positive corona virus in Peshawar,kpk province Pakistan .

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

1) Lack of medical resources. As it's the epicenter and on lockdown, no one can seek medical treatment elsewhere no matter what illness you may have. The overall healthcare system in Hubei is hence overloaded despite medical aid from other places. Many hospitals doesn't even have enough beds, whether it's for Covid-19 or for other illness.

A sad anecdote from a doctor on the front lines:


https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...ook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu

2) Selection bias. As the healthcare system is overloaded, they detect and treat only the most severe of cases while leaving out those with only mild symptoms. Thus the fatality rate is artificially high as the full denominator is unknown.

This sounds far more serious than the flu. I don’t think our ICU’s are full of Influenza patients. Supposedly thousands are dying every week of Influenza in the US as has been mentioned a dozen times here.

 

[Beast]

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This guy is very pro-CCP. He was the former foreign minister of Ethiopia. He has been protecting the CCP and covering up the real situation of the coronavirus.

Lol.. just becos somebody speak with truth of positive about China is pro CCP. Then somebody speaks the truth about US misleading invasion of Iraq for WMD must be a terrorist by your standard? See how clean you have lick up for the ameeican boots?

 

[Mista]

This sounds far more serious than the flu. I don’t think our ICU’s are full of Influenza patients. Supposedly thousands are dying every week of Influenza.

You're right. The percentage of serious condition seems pretty high at 20%.

The mortality rate is currently low outside of Hubei but that is likely due to adequate medical resources to keep the patient alive until their immune system destroys the virus. Without adequate medical resources, numbers would look more like Hubei or Iran. So it's important not to overload your hospitals.

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[Viva_Viet]

I do believe Vietnam uses the same measures as China which is why their virus outbreak is contain while Singapore has more cases.

Look like openness measure is not good enough.

A Person Can Carry And Transmit COVID-19 Without Showing Symptoms, Scientists Confirm

ARIA BENDIX, BUSINESS INSIDER
24 FEB 2020
Chinese researchers have confirmed a case of asymptomatic transmission of the new coronavirus: A 20-year-old woman from Wuhan passed it to five of her family members but never got physically sick herself.

The case study is the first concrete evidence that a person showing no symptoms can pass the coronavirus to others – a fact that could make curbing the outbreak even more challenging.

The researchers behind the finding said the 20-year-old woman was isolated and closely observed at the Fifth People's Hospital of Anyang. She never become physically ill, even after her family members developed fevers. Two of them got severe pneumonia.

For now, the woman's asymptomatic transmission appears to be an anomaly, but health experts have documented other instances in which people tested positive for the virus without showing symptoms.

A report from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention analysed records of all of China's reported cases of the virus from December 8 to February 11 and found that 1.2 percent of patients confirmed to be infected showed no symptoms.

A far higher portion of asymptomatic cases was found on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where 322 of 621 people tested positive but showed no symptoms.

"It's very clear that the people who are getting caught in that umbrella of reporting are the people that present themselves to a hospital," Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a briefing on February 6.

"There's another whole cohort that is either asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic."


The Chinese woman tested positive for the virus, but never got sick
The 20-year-old woman in the new case study lives in Wuhan – the city where the outbreak started – but travelled to Anyang on January 10. Three days later, she went with five family members to visit a sick patient (who did not have the coronavirus) at the Anyang District Hospital.

On January 17, one of the woman's family members came down with a fever and sore throat. The following week, the other four relatives developed a fever and respiratory symptoms. Those relatives were admitted to the Fifth People's Hospital on January 26.

All of the family members tested positive for the coronavirus. The only person they'd had contact with who had been in Wuhan was their 20-year-old relative.

When doctors initially tested the young woman for the coronavirus, the results came back negative. Her CT scan was normal, too. But a day later, she tested positive for the virus even though she wasn't showing any symptoms. By February 11, the woman still had no fever, cough, sore throat, or gastrointestinal issues.

Doctors concluded that the woman's incubation period – the time during which she was infectious – was 19 days.

Chinese health officials previously estimated that the incubation period for the virus ranged from one to 14 days, but recent research suggests it could be as long as 24 days.

The US and many other countries have established quarantine rules for travellers from Wuhan based on that 14-day window.


Asymptomatic transmission in Germany?
Most of the coronavirus cases so far have been mild, but the virus has killed more than 2,200 people and infected more than 76,000. Though the majority of cases are on the Chinese mainland, the virus has spread to 29 other countries.

A case of asymptomatic transmission similar to the one described in the new case study was previously identified in Germany. But that research turned out to be flawed.

According to a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine, a woman from Shanghai transmitted the virus to a 33-year-old German businessman in January. Three days later, he felt better and went back to work, then infected at least two of his colleagues. But the researchers had not spoken with the woman, who had in fact experienced mild symptoms at the time of transmission.

That left scientists unsure as to whether people who never experience any symptoms can transmit the disease – until today.

https://www.sciencealert.com/resear...smit-the-coronavirus-without-showing-symptoms

Yep.we lock down a village having 14 nCov patients like in CN.

I found all tropical countries effectively contained this virus, this shows the virus is much much less active in tropical countries and doesn't do well in hot weather. When summer comes, it should be largely gone.

All 16 of Vietnam's coronavirus sufferers cured
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/he...tnams-coronavirus-sufferers-cured/ar-BB10lChM

Thats why I do believe that global warming is the main reason to spread nCov to CN. So from now, more and more dealy virus will spread all over CN-SK-JP again and again cos the world is warmer .

nCov has been existing in Yun nan caves, near Vietnam(Yue nan) for thousands year, and tropical countries like VN just simply got used to wt all kinds of tropical virus like Sars, nCov while cold weather countries like CN-SK-JP-Italy suffer the worst.