Imran condemns indian army's brutality on Kashmiris

[karan.1970]

Juxtaposing TtP and like minded groups to Kashmiri Nationalists and mujahideen is intellectually lazy and invalid

Only from a Pakistani perspective..International bodies declare them both as terror outfits.. Interestingly though, BLA and the likes who are fighting for freedom in the UNDISPUTED area of Balochistan are not labeled as such

 

[ranjeet]

Juxtaposing TtP and like minded groups to Kashmiri Nationalists and mujahideen is intellectually lazy and invalid

If this struggle for Kashmir Independence would have stayed free from Religion it might have garnered few supporters but by giving it religious colors Pakistan just killed it.

 

[Manindra]

Juxtaposing TtP and like minded groups to Kashmiri Nationalists and mujahideen is intellectually lazy and invalid

Its your opinion not ours.

 

[Parul]

@Armstrong*RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE 9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation.

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal

PART I

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).

3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further negotiations.



PART II

TRUCE AGREEMENT

Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.



(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.



(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission.



2. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission



(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.



(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be guaranteed.



3. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or communiqué containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.




PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.


*The UNCIP unanimously adopted this Resolution on 13-8-1948.

Members of the Commission: Argentina. Belgium, Columbia, Czechoslovakia and U.S.A.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Since 2003, Pakistan has lost over 17106 civilians, and over 5234 soldiers in terrorist attacks alone. And they want to liberate Kashmir.

Kashmir has nothing to do with Pakistan's war against terrorists in the northwest sector

@Abu Zolfiqar You do realize that post 2014 withdrawal, things will be much against Pakistan than India. Hope you do.

we shall see my friend. We shall see

 

[Parul]

And @Flamingo - Pakistan objected to the unilateral withdrawal of her forces from Kashmir because we believed that you wouldn't adhere to the rest of the Resolution after we had withdrawn & that in the presence of the Indian Armed Forces no referendum could be held that would be free & fair !

Therefore Pakistan had proposed a simultaneous withdrawal of both Indian & Pakistani forces from Kashmir & this was also something that was proposed by GENERAL A.G.L. McNAUGHTON PRESIDENT OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL OF THE UNITED NATIONS in his Proposal to the UN where he says :

There should be an agreed program of progressive demilitarization, the basic principle of which should be the reduction of armed forces on either side of the Cease-Fire Line by withdrawal, disbandment and disarmament in such stages as not to cause fear at any point of time to the people on either side of the Cease-Fire Line. The aim should be to reduce the armed personnel in the State of Jammu and Kashmir on each side of the Cease-Fire Line to the minimum compatible with the maintenance of security and of local law and order, and to a level sufficiently low and with the forces so disposed that they will not constitute a restriction on the free expression of opinion for the purposes of the plebiscite.

The program of demilitarization should include the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of the regular forces of Pakistan; and the withdrawal of the regular forces of India not required for purposes of security or for the maintenance of local law and order on the Indian side of the Cease-Fire Line: also the reduction, by disbanding and disarming, of local forces, including on the one side the Armed Forces and Militia of the State of Kashmir and on the other, the Azad Forces.
The "Northern Area" should also be included in the above program of demilitarization, and its administration should, subject to United Nations supervision, be continued by the existing local authorities.

(Source - http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc22dec49.htm )

His Proposal was accepted by Pakistan & embodied by the UN in its subsequent Resolution 80 that served as a revision to the earlier Resolution ! It reads : Calls upon the Governments of India and Pakistan to make immediate arrangements, without prejudice to their rights or claims and with due regard to the requirements of law and order, to prepare and execute within a period of five months from the date of this resolution a program of demilitarization on the basis of the principles of paragraph 2 of General McNaughton proposal or of such modifications of those principles as may be mutually agreed;

(Source - http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc14mar50.htm )

Incidentally, it appears, the UN had passed 4 new Resolutions after the Resolution you quoted, talking about synchronous (simultaneous) withdrawal of troops by both India & Pakistan !

Incidentally still, till this date UN Arbitrators have put forth 11 different proposals for the demilitarization of the region, all of them have been accepted by Pakistan but rejected by India.

You can read them here : Kashmir in the United Nations

So you tell me - Who is acting malafide & who bonafide ?

I'm sure @dabong1 can add more to this !

Actually UN resolutions are dead for all practical purposes because you never planned to work though UN system in the first place. Did UN resolution call for armed invasion (1947, 1965, Kargil). The purpose of a UN resolution was to solve the issue through the UN (International) system, no two ways about it. The moment you took another route (armed conflict)to solve the issue, I don't see why the other party (India) should respect the other side of the bargain when you want it to. In short Pakistan has used the UN route whenever it was or is comfortable with it, it did not have qualms about abandoning it when it thought it could finish the conflict through armed means. Since Pakistan does not give two hoots about ending the staemate through UN system I don't understand why India should, after all the the international community seems to ignore the issue completely, even Pakistani government thinks it is not a viable solution, otherwise you would not be seeing your leaders talk about "Out of the box solution" etc. To sum it up UN resolutions are a piece of paper which Pakistan talks about following in sudden bursts whenever it does not have any other means, thus India need not adhere to UN resolution . So for Practical purpose UN resolutions are practically dead.

India had not committed to any specific troop levels in the agreement - however, Pakistan was committed to withdrawing ALL its troops.

@KRAIT @notsuperstitious @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @third eye @RoYaL~GuJJaR, @INDIC @Ayush @nick_indian @karan.1970 @Ammyy your views on it.

Plebiscite cannot happen anymore, if Punjab and Bengal were divided and we are OK with it, lets just declare the LOC as border and call it quits, Militarily Pakistan wont get an Inch from India and diplomatically India wont give an inch of land. India doesn't have the will or the interest to invade Pakistan for Kashmir. Hence, call the LOC as International Border and end the Blood Shell

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Strange how Pakistanis cry us a river when 4 Kashmiris are killed in a riot yet remain blind to all other incidents in their own country. On a more serious note, if Imran Khan had commented on other social or unrest incidents in India, I would be prone to say that as a politician he is commenting on a regional issue. Here clearly he is commenting to satisfy his constituency. A typical politician who offers no solutions but is quick to jump on the bandwagon. If Imran was serious about the Kashmir issue, he could for example have requested dialogue with the Indian authorities to commence a fact finding mission about Kashmir and the reasons for the problems there. I am certain that if his motives were sincere and honest, India would have accommodated him. He instead chooses to issue a blanket statement on a social network site. All it did was fool the foolish and aggravate the sheep.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Actually UN resolutions are dead for all practical purposes because you never planned to work though UN system in the first place. Did UN resolution call for armed invasion (1947, 1965, Kargil). The purpose of a UN resolution was to solve the issue through the UN (International) system, no two ways about it. The moment you took another route (armed conflict)to solve the issue, I don't see why the other party (India) should respect the other other side of the bargain when you want it to. In short Pakistan has used the UN route whenever it was or is comfortable with it, it did not have qualms about abandoning it when it thought it could finish the conflict through armed means. Since Pakistan does not give two hoots about ending the staemate through Un system I don't understand why India should, after all the the international community seems to ignore the issue completely, even Pakistani government thinks it is not a viable solution, otherwise you would not be seeing your leaders talk about "Out of the box solution" etc. To sum it up UN resolutions are a piece of paper which Pakistan talks about following in sudden bursts whenever it does not have any other means, thus India need not adhere to UN resolution . So for Practical purpose UN resolutions are practically dead.

India had not committed to any specific troop levels in the agreement - however, Pakistan was committed to withdrawing ALL its troops.

@KRAIT @notsuperstitious @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @third eye @RoYaL~GuJJaR, @INDIC @Ayush @nick_indian @karan.1970 @Ammyy your views on it.

Plebiscite cannot happen anymore, if Punjab and Bengal were divided and we are OK with it, lets just declare the LOC as border and call it quits, Militarily Pakistan wont get an Inch from India and diplomatically India wont give and inch of land. India doesn't have the will or the interest to invade Pakistan for Kashmir. Hence, call the LOC as International Border and end the Blood Shell

According to SHIMLA agreement,it was agreed that Pakistan would keep its part and India would keep its part.(I saw a Pakistani intellect saying this on a Pakistani channel)

As far as demilitarisation goes we should start with why did it happen in the first place.It happened coz Kashmiri Hindus were getting killed.So when we talk of de-militarisation we should also talk of Hindus and Sikhs going back to Kashmir as Kashmir belongs more to them than to a average Pakistani or an Indian or an Imran Khan trying to impress a crowd.

I am not an expert on this but as far as my personal opinion goes Kashmir is done case now..Pakistan cannot win Kashmir politically,militarily or stratergically from India.

So the more practical solution is to call LOC as the International border when we have Pakistanis playing double game.

Sino-Pakistan Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

and yet you deploy how many troops/cprf to counter these poor fighters (read Kashmiri nationalists)

only thing your coward sissy occupation troops with half boot on and half boot up their azzes is shooting unarmed children, women and young men.....yeah shooting indiscriminately into a crowd of people praying is real noble, doing such a great job aren't they? rogue pieces of shyte.

you hindus do believe in the concept of "karma" right?

the occupation forces (sissies) will get what's coming to them.....mass graves, fake encounters, rapes and torture of Kashmiris will only go on for so long. Whatever tense calm there has been will be broken.

They are perfectly justified in resisting. Should they ever require our support, we must assist them no holds barred.

PressTV - Kashmir on strike over killing of civilians by Indian border guards




world's largest democracy or world's smelliest coward

Deleted the comment. What a rant though.

 

[batmannow]

India's response :

pakistan,s response?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

OMG u reported me ..my life is finished ..shut the **** up and u can report me as much as u want ..u r one of those kids who is hated by everyone ..so they just go in there room and find someone to spit their venom out ...man u need a physicist ...

Umm why does he need a physicist ? Did you mean psychiatrist ?

pakistan,s response?

Nice post but technically, you can't bury something which is already buried

 

[batmannow]

OMG u reported me ..my life is finished ..shut the **** up and u can report me as much as u want ..u r one of those kids who is hated by everyone ..so they just go in there room and find someone to spit their venom out ...man u need a physicist ...

reported again!
you no want see other sunday, keep it up!
thanks for giving me the required space to get you!
hey jerk keep doing it, cause peoples like you allways end bieng banned?lol

Umm why does he need a physicist ? Did you mean psychiatrist ?



Nice post but technically, you can't bury something which is already buried

ask george fernandes how much for a cofin?
thn come back look at that pic, whole view would be change for you, sure?
better leave kashmir in some democratic fashion?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

thanks for giving me the required space to get you!
hey jerk keep doing it, cause peoples like you allways end bieng banned?lol



ask george fernandes how much for a cofin?
thn come back look at that pic, whole view would be change for you, sure?
better leave kashmir in some democratic fashion?

I'm not in Kashmir duh. I'm in Lesotho (Africa). Coffins are cheap here. Need some ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I am there at least once every month.... Leaving for Srinagar next Wednesday as well for a couple days

Now, why do I find that hard to believe?

 

[batmannow]

I'm not in Kashmir duh. I'm in Lesotho (Africa). Coffins are cheap here. Need some ?

last time george fernandes traded for dead indian soilders, plz ask him cause he was the one making money out of those cofins?
or better leave both kashmirs in the hands of UN ?
cause indian occupied forces are torturing the civilians there!