IMPLEMENT system of ALLAH

[nForce]

Good post...

I think your fears about loses are not rational... If you think about it for a second, a combination of resources, manpower and economies actually benefit everyone... I wont give you the example of EU here because EU is not the same model as the Caliphate... but perhaps the reason why you are worried about clash between various regions is due to your mindframe of nationalism... There is no such thing as Nationailsm in Islam... The Caliphate is not going to prefer one nationality over another... rather people would be valued according to their talents etc... As for the issue of resources and distribution... I think in this aspect local regions would be preferred for distribution of the goods... So for example Afghanistan has tremendous untapped resources... does it mean that the Caliphate will leave Afghans poor and make Punjabis become rich... absolutely not... The best planning to distribute resources is to start with local regions... If Pakistan had a policy of developing different provinces together instead of focussing so much on Punjab or Sindh, today we would not have these insurgencies that we have like the BLA or illiterate TTP...

Regarding non Muslims... we have disagreements with those who think non Muslims would be second class citizens... I believe its one of those things we disagree with Dr israr Ahmed may Allah bless his soul... If history is proof of anything, it is that non Muslims preferred the IS rather than their own rulers... Palestine for example was liberated at the request of a Christian delegation which were sick and tired of Romans similarly when Jews were thrown out of Europe they found refuge in Ottoman lands... so yeah any worry about non Muslims is a misconception...

Hope that answers your questions... and dont pay attention to this beep beep loony tunes road runner character here...

Same for you alaka Ahmad Khana

A valued post indeed...It would definitely be a 'one of a kind' thing to reunite different pieces of land on the basis of religion.A single nation,unified economy,and unified agenda.Good for the people,and anything that is good for the people,where people can lead a happy,peaceful and prosperous life has my support.
Being speculative is basic human nature,and I am no exception.Its not EU that comes to my mind,its the erstwhile Soviet Union that comes to my mind.All united under a common umbrella called communism,a supposedly utopian state, a place where everybody has equal rights,all goodie goodie.Yet it crumbled under its own pressure.One of the main reasons was, there were too many different ethnicity and culture.Economic mismanagement was definitely there,but that comes as an added problem when you have one sixth of the entire landmass of the World to handle from a single center.
We can always talk in depth about the issues that may arise for governance.
looking at your points I can see,that you are advocating a single state,where the economy will benefit everyone.
My first question: Is the same not happening now? different countries may have trade relations and hence share the economic benefit.It is any day easier to create good trade relations,isnt it?

My second question:Even if we go for a unified nation,unified economy,we can still do that EU style.What Islam has got to do anything with it??

 

[1 ummah]

please dont tell me roadrunner is muslim!!

 

[1 ummah]

A valued post indeed...I.
My first question: Is the same not happening now? different countries may have trade relations and hence share the economic benefit.It is any day easier to create good trade relations,isnt it?

My second question:Even if we go for a unified nation,unified economy,we can still do that EU style.What Islam has got to do anything with it??

bro wen we talk about implementing islam the very basic thing behind it is our aqeeda...i being muslim am obliged to live according to laws given by my Lord,y because otherwise i'll be punished for disobeying Allah!

and ALLAH has ordered in Quran to implement his system in whole world..thats why,following footsteps of our beloved prophet(p.b.u.h) frist we have to revive that system,establish pure islamic state,where ever it may start from,then the second step/order to implement it in whole world!

 

[roadrunner]

please dont tell me roadrunner is muslim!!

But killing millions of Muslims and others is a very Muslim thing to do

*note sarcasm in this post i.e. Hizb ut Tahrir believe killing thousands of Muslims is acceptable*

 

[khurasaan1]

Good post...

I think your fears about loses are not rational... If you think about it for a second, a combination of resources, manpower and economies actually benefit everyone... I wont give you the example of EU here because EU is not the same model as the Caliphate... but perhaps the reason why you are worried about clash between various regions is due to your mindframe of nationalism... There is no such thing as Nationailsm in Islam... The Caliphate is not going to prefer one nationality over another... rather people would be valued according to their talents etc... As for the issue of resources and distribution... I think in this aspect local regions would be preferred for distribution of the goods... So for example Afghanistan has tremendous untapped resources... does it mean that the Caliphate will leave Afghans poor and make Punjabis become rich... absolutely not... The best planning to distribute resources is to start with local regions... If Pakistan had a policy of developing different provinces together instead of focussing so much on Punjab or Sindh, today we would not have these insurgencies that we have like the BLA or illiterate TTP...

Regarding non Muslims... we have disagreements with those who think non Muslims would be second class citizens... I believe its one of those things we disagree with Dr israr Ahmed may Allah bless his soul... If history is proof of anything, it is that non Muslims preferred the IS rather than their own rulers... Palestine for example was liberated at the request of a Christian delegation which were sick and tired of Romans similarly when Jews were thrown out of Europe they found refuge in Ottoman lands... so yeah any worry about non Muslims is a misconception...

Hope that answers your questions... and dont pay attention to this beep beep loony tunes road runner character here...

Same for you alaka Ahmad Khana

Hey how much MI6 paying u for wrking this hard...and what is ure position in HUT...??????

 

[khurasaan1]

But killing millions of Muslims and others is a very Muslim thing to do

*note sarcasm in this post i.e. Hizb ut Tahrir believe killing thousands of Muslims is acceptable*

Looks like MI6/Mosaad/CIA has gone crazy to get rid of Muslim as soon as possible to bring the new world order.....

 

[roadrunner]

It's a direct quote from the global leader of Hizb ut tahrir.

Something you seem in denial over.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

A valued post indeed...It would definitely be a 'one of a kind' thing to reunite different pieces of land on the basis of religion.A single nation,unified economy,and unified agenda.Good for the people,and anything that is good for the people,where people can lead a happy,peaceful and prosperous life has my support.
Being speculative is basic human nature,and I am no exception.Its not EU that comes to my mind,its the erstwhile Soviet Union that comes to my mind.All united under a common umbrella called communism,a supposedly utopian state, a place where everybody has equal rights,all goodie goodie.Yet it crumbled under its own pressure.One of the main reasons was, there were too many different ethnicity and culture.Economic mismanagement was definitely there,but that comes as an added problem when you have one sixth of the entire landmass of the World to handle from a single center.
We can always talk in depth about the issues that may arise for governance.
looking at your points I can see,that you are advocating a single state,where the economy will benefit everyone.
My first question: Is the same not happening now? different countries may have trade relations and hence share the economic benefit.It is any day easier to create good trade relations,isnt it?

My second question:Even if we go for a unified nation,unified economy,we can still do that EU style.What Islam has got to do anything with it??

nForce my dear... USSR was a communist state... its a completely different ideology with a distinct economic system... Islam has an economic system of its own which is unique and different from both communism and capitalism... for example unlike communism, Islam allows numerous private possessions and properties but unlike capitalism it restricts certain things to be in the hands of the few... so it has aspects resembling communism and aspects resembling capitalism but its origin is entirely Islamic texts i.e Quran and the Sunnah as well as Ijmaa and Qiyas... These are the basis of Shariah or Islamic Law...

I can understand why our generations think towards USSR or EU... these are modern examples which we have seen to some extents in recent times... One of the problems for us is that our system has been non existant for almost a hundred years now... this is a difficulty because unless you devote quite a bit of time to some books, the beauty of our system will remain hidden from your mind... i.e its all in the books now and the minds of people who are cultured in the methodology... I can however say this much that the IS has been one of the most successful states in entire human history... despite the lack of communication and other tech that we have today, the IS achieved remarkable success and won the hearts of millions... this is the reason that although Islam entered different lands by the strength of the sword, its real power was in its intellectual discourse which melts the hearts and unites mankind in a prosperous society (regardless of religion even)... We Muslims of today of all people have to realize this that a Hindu can be a decent and honest man, hard working, talented and have similar aspirations in life... we may disagree with the basic religion but all people desire similar things in life in general, this includes economic prosperity, protection of life, dignity, honour, property... these are things that Islam guarantees for everyone... so even though the name of the state may be Islamic, it is actually a state for all those who are willing to live in Muslim lands...

So for your first question... the same is NOT happening now because today we are stuck in capitalist or socialist models across the Muslim world... depending on whether you have a Pakistan/Saudi Arabia (capitalist) or Libya/Syria (socialist)... each one of these so called States is actually at war with Allah swt and His messenger saw by implementing Riba also... unlike the wishes of its people who DONT want this war so this mess is because of the elite of these countries...

Secondly (again)... EU is Capitalist in its system... it allows fiat currency and fractional reserve banking, it allows private ownership of energy resources, it allows Riba, it allows stocks and limited companies, it allows gambling and open trade of a dangerous and hard drug (alcohol), it allows for women to be exploited for selling goods (advertisement) etc... all these things are in stark contrast to the way Islam commands an economy to be setup... Islam prohibits all these things...

Bless you and have a good evening my friend...

 

[Zarvan]

Islam has its own Social and Economic System which will one day later or sooner will get establihsed in the world because ALLAH has said so even with many kafirs will not like it because of their False Interests

 

[Chogy]

and ALLAH has ordered in Quran to implement his system in whole world..thats why,following footsteps of our beloved prophet(p.b.u.h) frist we have to revive that system,establish pure islamic state,where ever it may start from,then the second step/order to implement it in whole world!

Uh, what if I don't want to be a part of that?

Do you realize that this kind of talk (you are not alone in it) scares people and contributes to anti-Islamic sentiment?

I've got an amazing idea. How about letting people believe how they want to believe, and set up a society that gives people this freedom?

 

[SQ8]

Uh, what if I don't want to be a part of that?

Do you realize that this kind of talk (you are not alone in it) scares people and contributes to anti-Islamic sentiment?

I've got an amazing idea. How about letting people believe how they want to believe, and set up a society that gives people this freedom?

The system as understood( by people who actually went to college.. and did the research themselves, and are not high on hormones) is based a lot on what you say..
as an eg.. under a "Islamic" society.. A jewish man has rights to ask for judgement as prescribed in the torah, as a christian.. or a buddhist may.
However, if he/she so waivers this right.. the law applicable will be the common civic law decided by the governing body(which is to consult and include members of other faiths).

What scares everybody worldwide is the distorted, misled version being touted here and there.. happens when the people leading such visions arent those with solid groundwork in religion, civic laws and an understanding of other crucial subjects.
Today the leaders are part time folks.. a banker.. a chemist.. that just got inspired by reading a certain section .. a certain passage.. and went on a copy paste spree.. and ended up creating so and so "brotherhood".. or Al-Qaeda..

 

[Chogy]

The system as understood( by people who actually went to college.. and did the research themselves, and are not high on hormones) is based a lot on what you say..
as an eg.. under a "Islamic" society.. A jewish man has rights to ask for judgement as prescribed in the torah, as a christian.. or a buddhist may.
However, if he/she so waivers this right.. the law applicable will be the common civic law decided by the governing body(which is to consult and include members of other faiths).

You still didn't answer the question. You can massage the theory and image of it all you want, but it changes nothing.

It's a simple question. What if I do not want to live under a theistic system of ANY sort? Do I have any say in the form of governance over me?

 

[nForce]

nForce my dear... USSR was a communist state... its a completely different ideology with a distinct economic system... Islam has an economic system of its own which is unique and different from both communism and capitalism... for example unlike communism, Islam allows numerous private possessions and properties but unlike capitalism it restricts certain things to be in the hands of the few... so it has aspects resembling communism and aspects resembling capitalism but its origin is entirely Islamic texts i.e Quran and the Sunnah as well as Ijmaa and Qiyas... These are the basis of Shariah or Islamic Law...

I can understand why our generations think towards USSR or EU... these are modern examples which we have seen to some extents in recent times... One of the problems for us is that our system has been non existant for almost a hundred years now... this is a difficulty because unless you devote quite a bit of time to some books, the beauty of our system will remain hidden from your mind... i.e its all in the books now and the minds of people who are cultured in the methodology... I can however say this much that the IS has been one of the most successful states in entire human history... despite the lack of communication and other tech that we have today, the IS achieved remarkable success and won the hearts of millions... this is the reason that although Islam entered different lands by the strength of the sword, its real power was in its intellectual discourse which melts the hearts and unites mankind in a prosperous society (regardless of religion even)... We Muslims of today of all people have to realize this that a Hindu can be a decent and honest man, hard working, talented and have similar aspirations in life... we may disagree with the basic religion but all people desire similar things in life in general, this includes economic prosperity, protection of life, dignity, honour, property... these are things that Islam guarantees for everyone... so even though the name of the state may be Islamic, it is actually a state for all those who are willing to live in Muslim lands...

So for your first question... the same is NOT happening now because today we are stuck in capitalist or socialist models across the Muslim world... depending on whether you have a Pakistan/Saudi Arabia (capitalist) or Libya/Syria (socialist)... each one of these so called States is actually at war with Allah swt and His messenger saw by implementing Riba also... unlike the wishes of its people who DONT want this war so this mess is because of the elite of these countries...

Secondly (again)... EU is Capitalist in its system... it allows fiat currency and fractional reserve banking, it allows private ownership of energy resources, it allows Riba, it allows stocks and limited companies, it allows gambling and open trade of a dangerous and hard drug (alcohol), it allows for women to be exploited for selling goods (advertisement) etc... all these things are in stark contrast to the way Islam commands an economy to be setup... Islam prohibits all these things...

Bless you and have a good evening my friend...

can u suggest me some books on this ideology ?? I like reading a little...

 

[T-Faz]

You still didn't answer the question. You can massage the theory and image of it all you want, but it changes nothing.

It's a simple question. What if I do not want to live under a theistic system of ANY sort? Do I have any say in the form of governance over me?

The simple answer is No and that is why Non-Muslims and even Muslims (ones who do not subscribe to use of political religion) will always be disadvantaged in such a theistic society.

Even with a considerable consensus from amongst the subjects of such a state, there is no chance for any non theistic change in the system, the followers of the state religion and its popular variant will be better off because of their belief.

Much like any other religiously derived state governed by a certain religious scripture, members of other religions will be restricted and at a disadvantage owing to their religious beliefs and the consequent clash that occurs with the core religion of the state.

As for those who do not approve of the system in place, they will be punished for this, the punishment however varies from sect to sect.

Btw, there are more than 70 sects in Islam as of now and their interpretation and practice of Islam varies a lot, the information that I have given above is true for certain sects but these are the mainstream variants.

 

[*Awan*]

Uh, what if I don't want to be a part of that?

Do you realize that this kind of talk (you are not alone in it) scares people and contributes to anti-Islamic sentiment?

I've got an amazing idea. How about letting people believe how they want to believe, and set up a society that gives people this freedom?

Hi sir.
welcome back after a long brake.hope you are doing well.

Under Islamic state a non Muslim is judged by their respective laws.A christian by christian law etc etc.Applied to all.In Islamic state a non muslim has same rights of muslim with little exception.he cannot became the head of state,millitary and things like this.
The statement you read very often that Islam will dominate the whole world.Actually their is Hadith (saying of Prophet Muhammad saw) that when Esa/Jesus will return second time their will be no person from people of book( jews and christians) that don't believe on him.
So the only religion that will remain will be Islam.According to our believe when Esa return he follow Islam.