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The rope around his neck tightened each day, his overstay has paid him very little bounty.

The impeachment clause does not in effect fall under the courts, its falls under the Parliament, therefore he could gain no grounds from appealing to them, the courts will take his appeal if one is given when he is Civilian.

Btw. What is the Indian perspective on Musharraf's Impeachment?

Since one is not aware of the Constitutional provisions relating to impeachment one cannot comment.

My personal view is that impeachment is a very extreme step & must not be resorted to. Not because I like or dislike the Gen, just that such things do not bode well for a nation.

Lastly, India will and should do business with whoever heads Pakistan.
 
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Musharraf siphoned millions from US war on terror fund’

* PPP co-chairman says swindling to form part of impeachment charge sheet
* Accuses Musharraf of sabotaging economy, democracy, fomenting conflict in Balochistan, Tribal Areas
* Says those who killed Benazir Bhutto want to kill him too

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Co-chairman Asif Zardari has accused President Pervez Musharraf of misappropriating millions of dollars of United States aid given to Pakistan for supporting the war on terror.

Zardari made the charge in an interview published in The Sunday Times on Sunday.

“Our grand old Musharraf has not been passing on all the $1 billion a year that the Americans have been giving for the armed forces,” he claimed. “The army has been getting $250m-$300m reimbursement for what they do, but where’s the rest? They claim it’s been going in budget support but that’s not the answer. We’re talking about $700m a year missing. The rest has been taken by Musharraf for some scheme or other and we’ve got to find it,” Zardari said.

Charge sheet: The alleged misappropriation will form a part of the charge against Musharraf to be announced today (Monday) when parliament is recalled to start impeachment proceedings, the report said.

The move has sparked panic in Washington where the nuclear-armed Pakistan is increasingly seen as a greater danger than Iraq or Afghanistan.

Zardari claimed the US aid might have gone to fund rogue members of the military intelligence, the ISI, who were accused by Washington last week of assisting the Taliban.

“We’re looking for the money. I think he [Musharraf] has a slush fund being used for this and for some activity for the future,” he said.

Accusation: Zardari also accused the president of economic sabotage and fomenting conflict in Balochistan and the Tribal Areas. “They laid so many mines for us,” he said.

“They spent all the money so we would have to borrow; they didn’t pass on the increased price of oil; nor added a single extra megawatt of power in the last 10 years. All these things were deliberately thought out so at the end of day they can turn round and tell the world, ‘Look, democracy doesn’t deliver’, and step back in,” said the PPP co-chairman.

Killing: “I know I’m in danger, whoever killed her [Benazir Bhutto] wants to kill me,” Zardari added.

“To say we’re responsible for the country, yes we are, but first get your role model out of the way, remove your most allied of allies,” said Zardari, adding, “They’ve had Musharraf there 10 years, instead of bringing these issues up with him they are trying to bring them up with us today.”

Zardari warned an old magician of the president’s camp to stop playing with democracy and not force the coalition to include his name in the charge sheet. daily times monitor/app

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

KIA ZAMANA AGAYA HAI KAY ULTA CHOR KOTAWAL KO DAANT RAHA HAI.
 
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Well its obvious that after US Ambassador met Zardari yesterday,he came up with this specific allegation.
Dint we hear this from someone else in the past
 
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waiting in the wings and watching the deteriorating situation is the pakistan army. the fate of president musharraf, asif zardari, nawaz sharif and everyone else of any consequence in pakistan will eventually depend on whose side it takes overtly or covertly when the hour of reckoning arrives.!

source: friday times - najam sethi
 
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waiting in the wings and watching the deteriorating situation is the pakistan army. the fate of president musharraf, asif zardari, nawaz sharif and everyone else of any consequence in pakistan will eventually depend on whose side it takes overtly or covertly when the hour of reckoning arrives.!

source: friday times - najam sethi

:) And i believe when after removing Musharraf, When zardari will try to destroy ISI and Army and eventually Pakistan, then Army should interven and block these sinister moves .
 
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:) And i believe when after removing Musharraf, When zardari will try to destroy ISI and Army and eventually Pakistan, then Army should interven and block these sinister moves .

Dear jana - correct!
 
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PA resolution demands President to seek vote of confidence

Updated at: 2115 PST, Monday, August 11, 2008

LAHORE: Punjab Assembly Monday passed a resolution unanimously demanding President Pervez Musharraf to seek vote of confidence.

A total of 321 votes supported the resolution whereas only 25 went against it.

The resolution states that under the Constitution, Punjab Assembly is part of Electoral College and that the house deems Presidential election of October 2007 as un-constitutional.

President Musharraf suspended the Constitution twice, violated the Constitution and overthrew democratic government.

The resolution said President is supposed to be a representative of the Federation but President Musharraf weakend the Federation and inter-provincial harmony leading to a sense of deprivation among provinces.

His policies plunged the country into political, economic as well as power crisis.

The resolution demanded President Pervez Musharraf to seek vote of confidence from the four provincial assemblies including Punjab Assembly. Failing to get the vote, an impeachment motion would be moved against him, it added.

PA resolution demands President to seek vote of confidence
 
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Provincial assemblies have no role in Federal and Supreme court jurisdiction. Its National Assembly matter. PA assembly just show of power by Nawaz and get some support from Zaradari.
 
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Zardari Govt Is A U.S. Puppet Regime, Anti-Chinese & Anti-Pakistan; It Must Go

By AHMED QURAISHI

Monday, 11 August 2008.

Ahmed Quraishi-Pakistan/Middle East politics, Iraq war, lebanon war, India Pakistan relations

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The game is bigger than just impeachment. It’s stunning to see some of Pakistan’s well known journalists and commentators consumed by an animalistic urge for revenge in a kindergarten game played on a national stage.

1. This is a battle between an American-backed and supported government against the Pakistani military.

2. President Musharraf did give the Americans some space. That was a mistake. But he did not hand over Dr. A. Q. Khan to Washington, he didn’t send our troops to Iraq, he didn’t agree to American plans for Iran and China. Had he said yes to just giving Americans access to Dr. Khan, they wouldn’t have mobilized their international media and intelligence machinery to destabilize Pakistan and bring his downfall.

3. If he resigns today, that is fine. But the problem is, patriotic and nationalist Pakistanis should know we cannot accept these sellouts as a replacement. Today a fog of deception is being created through political turmoil so that Pakistanis don’t see the larger drama being played out to turn Pakistan into an Indian vassal state, with a limited military and no nuclear or strategic capabilities. Unfortunately, President Musharraf trusted the Americans too much. Today, it is evident they are fully backing the destabilization of Pakistan, domestically and regionally.

4. The Zardari government, in a move unprecedented in Pakistan’s modern history, continues to keep Beijing without a Pakistani Ambassador. The move comes under the advice of Husain Haqqani, a pro-U.S. Pakistani ambassador. The purpose is to wean Pakistan off China and firmly place Islamabad in an Indo-American orbit.

5. At a crucial time for our Chinese allies, when they are observing the most important event of their modern history, no major Pakistani leader was in Beijing except a puppet prime minister and a 19-year-old PPP leader whose first major engagement there was meeting Sonia Gandhi even before meeting any Chinese official! This government has tried to sabotage the Pakistani support for Beijing Olympics twice this year. PM Gilani refused to attend the Torch Relay ceremony in Islamabad in March, for which China ignored the international Olympic committee’s recommendation not to include the Pakistani capital in the torch relay route. And now this government deliberately timed their impeachment decision to scuttle Pakistan’s presidential visit to Beijing to attend the opening. They could have delayed the event for a couple of days out of respect for the Sino-Pakistani relationship. But for this puppet regime, ties with U.S. are more important.

6. This government has effectively joined the Karzai-India-Washington campaign against ISI and Pak military. When Karzai and New Delhi accused the ISI, this puppet regime wasted no time and promptly moved to turn our main spy agency into another domestic crime fighting department.

7. This government has reportedly cut funding for Strategic Plans Division (SPD), ensuring that SPD can’t spend on research & development for our strategic programs or hire topnotch Pakistani engineers from the market. Obviously, the move is not meant to boost Pakistan’s defense capabilities.

8. Now Mr. Zardari has told London’s Sunday Times that he wants to investigate where President Musharraf spent U.S. $ 700 million paid to Pakistan and that he thinks the money was paid to ISI. What a joke. Should the President had paid this money to India’s RAW maybe? Or maybe to thieves like he and Rehman Malik? Where would a patriotic Pakistani president spend that money if not on our own defense? And we are free to spend our money the way we deem appropriate. Who is Mr. Zardari or his masters in Washington to dictate how we spend our money? The problem, again, is ISI. The PPP government is clearly implementing a foreign agenda that is directly in conflict with Pakistan’s interests.

9. The main characters in this government are heavily indebted to Washington and London, including Zardari, Rehman Malik, Husain Haqqani, and Durrani. The NRO was an American and British creation first and foremost.

10. At a time when Pakistani security officials have confirmed that most weapons seized from terrorists in northern and western Pakistan are Indian-made, the Zardari government decides to pick up a dirty fight with the Pakistani military on American prodding. This government is also not appreciating the findings of Pakistani security officials that U.S. itself has been supporting terrorism inside Pakistan to destabilize the country. U.S. Army chief Mike Mullen has been clear told so by Pakistani president and military leadership.

11. By supporting this shady, U.S.-imposed government, Nawaz Sharif is committing the second biggest blunder of his career, after the first blunder of trying to hijack a Pakistani army chief and deliver him to India.

12. This government is creating a fog of deception to waste Pakistani energies and stop us from paying attention to the larger American plan.

- What Can Musharraf Do?

1. President Musharraf has two potent weapons in his hand, and a third secret one.

2. The two potent weapons are the ability to dismiss the govt. and revoke the NRO. In fact, this is a golden opportunity for President Musharraf to revoke this shameful law. Zardari and the Americans have not only not kept their side of the deal, but the U.S. is actively supporting all the anti-Pakistan activities from Afghanistan. If President Musharraf revokes the NRO, he will instantly redeem a large part of his image in the eyes of ordinary Pakistanis who are sickened by this charade taking place in Islamabad today.

3. If the President goes for dismissing this ‘anti-Pakistan and U.S.-puppet government’, he will have to revoke the NRO at the same time. This will absorb some of the possible public reaction since Pakistanis are disturbed at allowing this strange group of shady characters into Pakistani politics in the first place.

4. The third secret weapon that the President continues to wield is his UNRIVALED ability to talk to the right people in the Pakistani armed forces. He retains his contacts in the military and with its chief. Whether he stays or resigns, Musharraf can and should convince the military to do what needs to be done: A complete reform Pakistani politics and the Pakistani political system. The President has lost credibility on this count once before, but the military and all patriotic Pakistanis can see how our democracy has been bought wholesale by our enemies and are using it now to destroy Pakistani from within. They use the Indian democracy to give maximum benefit to India [like they did in the nuclear deal], and use the Pakistani democracy as an instrument to destabilize our nation.

5. It is time for the Pakistani military to step in. This does not necessarily mean a military government. Capable, clean and honest Pakistani professionals are available everywhere. They will better protect Pakistan’s interest as compared to these sellouts. The military and President Musharraf must muster the courage to firmly end foreign interference in Pakistani affairs. Period. We in Pakistan will do what is in our interest and we should not care what Washington think, and we should proactively explain this to the world [Please appoint fresh and new faces to do this job. No more old-style information ministers.]

6. It will suit Pakistan that the military steps in but leaves the façade of the government in civilian hands. Let there be a pro-Pakistan civilian chief executive replacing this failed democratic experiment.

7. Patriotic and nationalist Pakistanis, including those among the politicians who might still be honest and clean, should support any move that is good for Pakistan. The notions of democracy and elections should take a backseat now in favor of a concerted fight against foreign US.-, Karzai- and Indian-trained terrorists wreaking havoc in Balochistan and NWFP, and then pay attention to the economy and to recovering Pakistani prestige.

8. Politicians who are supporting the President and the military must tell Pakistanis what is going on in and around Pakistan. They should tell Pakistanis that our military must take a step forward for Pakistan’s supreme national interest.

9. Politics should take a backseat to economic development and solving the problems faced by Pakistanis.

10. Prepare the Pakistani public opinion and control the media. Make it clear that this is not the time to apportion blame. We can do that later. Now is the time to save Pakistan.

The action on the plan to destabilize Pakistan started in earnest sometime in 2004-2005. It began with the first rocket burst by Akbar Bugti’s foreign-trained and armed terrorists in Balochistan in January 2005. Musharraf has been weakened. The plan will end with removing the Pakistani military from the scene. It hasn’t come to this yet, but it’s close call. Nationalist Pakistanis must ensure it never comes to this.

© 2007-2008. All rights reserved. AhmedQuraishi.com.

Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium without royalty provided this notice is preserved.
 
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Zardari Govt Is A U.S. Puppet Regime, Anti-Chinese & Anti-Pakistan; It Must Go

By AHMED QURAISHI

Monday, 11 August 2008.

Ahmed Quraishi-Pakistan/Middle East politics, Iraq war, lebanon war, India Pakistan relations

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The game is bigger than just impeachment. It’s stunning to see some of Pakistan’s well known journalists and commentators consumed by an animalistic urge for revenge in a kindergarten game played on a national stage.

1. This is a battle between an American-backed and supported government against the Pakistani military.

2. President Musharraf did give the Americans some space. That was a mistake. But he did not hand over Dr. A. Q. Khan to Washington, he didn’t send our troops to Iraq, he didn’t agree to American plans for Iran and China. Had he said yes to just giving Americans access to Dr. Khan, they wouldn’t have mobilized their international media and intelligence machinery to destabilize Pakistan and bring his downfall.

3. If he resigns today, that is fine. But the problem is, patriotic and nationalist Pakistanis should know we cannot accept these sellouts as a replacement. Today a fog of deception is being created through political turmoil so that Pakistanis don’t see the larger drama being played out to turn Pakistan into an Indian vassal state, with a limited military and no nuclear or strategic capabilities. Unfortunately, President Musharraf trusted the Americans too much. Today, it is evident they are fully backing the destabilization of Pakistan, domestically and regionally.

4. The Zardari government, in a move unprecedented in Pakistan’s modern history, continues to keep Beijing without a Pakistani Ambassador. The move comes under the advice of Husain Haqqani, a pro-U.S. Pakistani ambassador. The purpose is to wean Pakistan off China and firmly place Islamabad in an Indo-American orbit.

5. At a crucial time for our Chinese allies, when they are observing the most important event of their modern history, no major Pakistani leader was in Beijing except a puppet prime minister and a 19-year-old PPP leader whose first major engagement there was meeting Sonia Gandhi even before meeting any Chinese official! This government has tried to sabotage the Pakistani support for Beijing Olympics twice this year. PM Gilani refused to attend the Torch Relay ceremony in Islamabad in March, for which China ignored the international Olympic committee’s recommendation not to include the Pakistani capital in the torch relay route. And now this government deliberately timed their impeachment decision to scuttle Pakistan’s presidential visit to Beijing to attend the opening. They could have delayed the event for a couple of days out of respect for the Sino-Pakistani relationship. But for this puppet regime, ties with U.S. are more important.

6. This government has effectively joined the Karzai-India-Washington campaign against ISI and Pak military. When Karzai and New Delhi accused the ISI, this puppet regime wasted no time and promptly moved to turn our main spy agency into another domestic crime fighting department.

7. This government has reportedly cut funding for Strategic Plans Division (SPD), ensuring that SPD can’t spend on research & development for our strategic programs or hire topnotch Pakistani engineers from the market. Obviously, the move is not meant to boost Pakistan’s defense capabilities.

8. Now Mr. Zardari has told London’s Sunday Times that he wants to investigate where President Musharraf spent U.S. $ 700 million paid to Pakistan and that he thinks the money was paid to ISI. What a joke. Should the President had paid this money to India’s RAW maybe? Or maybe to thieves like he and Rehman Malik? Where would a patriotic Pakistani president spend that money if not on our own defense? And we are free to spend our money the way we deem appropriate. Who is Mr. Zardari or his masters in Washington to dictate how we spend our money? The problem, again, is ISI. The PPP government is clearly implementing a foreign agenda that is directly in conflict with Pakistan’s interests.

9. The main characters in this government are heavily indebted to Washington and London, including Zardari, Rehman Malik, Husain Haqqani, and Durrani. The NRO was an American and British creation first and foremost.

10. At a time when Pakistani security officials have confirmed that most weapons seized from terrorists in northern and western Pakistan are Indian-made, the Zardari government decides to pick up a dirty fight with the Pakistani military on American prodding. This government is also not appreciating the findings of Pakistani security officials that U.S. itself has been supporting terrorism inside Pakistan to destabilize the country. U.S. Army chief Mike Mullen has been clear told so by Pakistani president and military leadership.

11. By supporting this shady, U.S.-imposed government, Nawaz Sharif is committing the second biggest blunder of his career, after the first blunder of trying to hijack a Pakistani army chief and deliver him to India.

12. This government is creating a fog of deception to waste Pakistani energies and stop us from paying attention to the larger American plan.

- What Can Musharraf Do?

1. President Musharraf has two potent weapons in his hand, and a third secret one.

2. The two potent weapons are the ability to dismiss the govt. and revoke the NRO. In fact, this is a golden opportunity for President Musharraf to revoke this shameful law. Zardari and the Americans have not only not kept their side of the deal, but the U.S. is actively supporting all the anti-Pakistan activities from Afghanistan. If President Musharraf revokes the NRO, he will instantly redeem a large part of his image in the eyes of ordinary Pakistanis who are sickened by this charade taking place in Islamabad today.

3. If the President goes for dismissing this ‘anti-Pakistan and U.S.-puppet government’, he will have to revoke the NRO at the same time. This will absorb some of the possible public reaction since Pakistanis are disturbed at allowing this strange group of shady characters into Pakistani politics in the first place.

4. The third secret weapon that the President continues to wield is his UNRIVALED ability to talk to the right people in the Pakistani armed forces. He retains his contacts in the military and with its chief. Whether he stays or resigns, Musharraf can and should convince the military to do what needs to be done: A complete reform Pakistani politics and the Pakistani political system. The President has lost credibility on this count once before, but the military and all patriotic Pakistanis can see how our democracy has been bought wholesale by our enemies and are using it now to destroy Pakistani from within. They use the Indian democracy to give maximum benefit to India [like they did in the nuclear deal], and use the Pakistani democracy as an instrument to destabilize our nation.

5. It is time for the Pakistani military to step in. This does not necessarily mean a military government. Capable, clean and honest Pakistani professionals are available everywhere. They will better protect Pakistan’s interest as compared to these sellouts. The military and President Musharraf must muster the courage to firmly end foreign interference in Pakistani affairs. Period. We in Pakistan will do what is in our interest and we should not care what Washington think, and we should proactively explain this to the world [Please appoint fresh and new faces to do this job. No more old-style information ministers.]

6. It will suit Pakistan that the military steps in but leaves the façade of the government in civilian hands. Let there be a pro-Pakistan civilian chief executive replacing this failed democratic experiment.

7. Patriotic and nationalist Pakistanis, including those among the politicians who might still be honest and clean, should support any move that is good for Pakistan. The notions of democracy and elections should take a backseat now in favor of a concerted fight against foreign US.-, Karzai- and Indian-trained terrorists wreaking havoc in Balochistan and NWFP, and then pay attention to the economy and to recovering Pakistani prestige.

8. Politicians who are supporting the President and the military must tell Pakistanis what is going on in and around Pakistan. They should tell Pakistanis that our military must take a step forward for Pakistan’s supreme national interest.

9. Politics should take a backseat to economic development and solving the problems faced by Pakistanis.

10. Prepare the Pakistani public opinion and control the media. Make it clear that this is not the time to apportion blame. We can do that later. Now is the time to save Pakistan.

The action on the plan to destabilize Pakistan started in earnest sometime in 2004-2005. It began with the first rocket burst by Akbar Bugti’s foreign-trained and armed terrorists in Balochistan in January 2005. Musharraf has been weakened. The plan will end with removing the Pakistani military from the scene. It hasn’t come to this yet, but it’s close call. Nationalist Pakistanis must ensure it never comes to this.

© 2007-2008. All rights reserved. AhmedQuraishi.com.

Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium without royalty provided this notice is preserved.

This is the need of the hour, if only our masses could understand. I was once a huge supported of PML(N) but the current attitude of NS, i was really amazed to see how down can he go just to satisfy his ego, Pakistan in on the line and yet he only wants to impeach the president really sickens me. I just wish and pray that the armed forces of Pakistan do what needs to be done and all the patriotic forces of Pakistan join hands. God bless Pakistan.:pakistan:
 
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Ahmed Quarishi, not credible he is paid character, but after the ousting of Musharraf we wont hear of his malice again.
 
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Ahmed Quarishi, not credible he is paid character, but after the ousting of Musharraf we wont hear of his malice again.

He will be around. He is on Geo (when was Geo ever pro-Musharraf)?

Also there are quite a few things in his article that require some introspection. You can't just dismiss everything claiming Quraishi is a "paid" character..if so where is the proof?
 
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Provincial assemblies have no role in Federal and Supreme court jurisdiction. Its National Assembly matter. PA assembly just show of power by Nawaz and get some support from Zaradari.

In democracy it is important, there is no one man show here, and you should try reading the news not suddenly point it was Nawaz or Asif, 321 people voted in favour while 25 did not, the 321 votes consist of various parties and they are elected Representatives of Pakistan.
 
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