If Not Pak-Fa then what for India ??

[NIA]

Why India don't have single engine 5th gen project?? SAAB was looking for partnership to build its 5th gen plane and India can be that partner, allowing 5th gen technology from west too.

Single engines will be only for interceptor role( LCA will do that)
We need twin engine.Since we have big aerospace we need such asset to keep it secure.

 

[Basel]

Single engines will be only for interceptor role( LCA will do that)
We need twin engine.Since we have big aerospace we need such asset to keep it secure.

All major powers (excluding Russia) going for single engine 5th gen plane to support their frontline 5th gen plane in ops, why don't India do that?

 

[Ankit Kumar]

All major powers (excluding Russia) going for single engine 5th gen plane to support their frontline 5th gen plane in ops, why don't India do that?

SAAB developing 5Th gen. See buddy they may do it or may, not. But seeing their progress of NG varient. I doubt it.

As for single engine, the only single engine inductions will be that of LCA.

Each nation has a different doctrine and a light single engine 5th gen aircraft for 150 mil + is not something India wants.

Maybe we should look to procure more Mirage2000s to bolster our A2G capabilities.

 

[Basel]

SAAB developing 5Th gen. See buddy they may do it or may, not. But seeing their progress of NG varient. I doubt it.

As for single engine, the only single engine inductions will be that of LCA.

Each nation has a different doctrine and a light single engine 5th gen aircraft for 150 mil + is not something India wants.

Maybe we should look to procure more Mirage2000s to bolster our A2G capabilities.

But there are people from India who are saying that IN will buy F-35C for ACCs, IAF may also go for few F-35As, both are single engine planes and expensive too, so why not build one in house when world is willing to cooperate with India?

 

[UKBengali]

What advantage it will have over fighters like rafale or EF which carries sensor fusion
Stealth not only based on design but advanced sensor fusion and advanced software technology

Dude - by 2020 Chinese avionics technology will be on par with EU. Stealth shaping will
give J-31 a huge advantage over fighters like EF.

 

[ni8mare]

Dude - by 2020 Chinese avionics technology will be on par with EU. Stealth shaping will
give J-31 a huge advantage over fighters like EF.

when that happens we will talk ............now come to the topic which is PAK-FA

But there are people from India who are saying that IN will buy F-35C for ACCs, IAF may also go for few F-35As, both are single engine planes and expensive too, so why not build one in house when world is willing to cooperate with India?

only IN .....that's due to ACC..........IAF has not said anything about procuring F35

 

[Ankit Kumar]

But there are people from India who are saying that IN will buy F-35C for ACCs, IAF may also go for few F-35As, both are single engine planes and expensive too, so why not build one in house when world is willing to cooperate with India?

F35 is more or less a platform which can be relied upon.

But SAABs offer is less attractive due to some reasons.
1. Whatever they may come up with, its not gonna be better than F35.
2. The Engine , will still be American , means no benefit for India.
3. The weapons will be again from MBDA , again no benefit, as we are already engaging with MBDA .
4. The Radar will likely be from Selex, a very good option. But now with Israeli cooperation we are already developing a variety of Israeli AESA, so unlikely that this feature will be counted.
5 . UK today claims that it supports Gripen by supplying more than 25% of its sub systems.
6. Plus the ongoing NG program, again and again being delayed and rising price. Will you not buy a Rafale for 110 million dollar than going for a Gripen NG for a same price ?

If Dassault or Bae offers the same, we might have as well agreed till now.ButSAAB doesn't pack that confidence.

As for F35, IN may go for F35s .... but that won't exceed more than 3 squadrons.
As for Air force F35, its very clear from our side, it will happen only when , J31 is procured by PAF before we get our Su30s upgraded and J31 gives a very serious edge to PAF.

 

[Basel]

F35 is more or less a platform which can be relied upon.

But SAABs offer is less attractive due to some reasons.
1. Whatever they may come up with, its not gonna be better than F35.
2. The Engine , will still be American , means no benefit for India.
3. The weapons will be again from MBDA , again no benefit, as we are already engaging with MBDA .
4. The Radar will likely be from Selex, a very good option. But now with Israeli cooperation we are already developing a variety of Israeli AESA, so unlikely that this feature will be counted.
5 . UK today claims that it supports Gripen by supplying more than 25% of its sub systems.
6. Plus the ongoing NG program, again and again being delayed and rising price. Will you not buy a Rafale for 110 million dollar than going for a Gripen NG for a same price ?

If Dassault or Bae offers the same, we might have as well agreed till now.ButSAAB doesn't pack that confidence.

As for F35, IN may go for F35s .... but that won't exceed more than 3 squadrons.
As for Air force F35, its very clear from our side, it will happen only when , J31 is procured by PAF before we get our Su30s upgraded and J31 gives a very serious edge to PAF.

India is in position that they can work with SAAB on their own terms allowing technology from various sources which may also benefit SAAB too, for engine India can work with UK or Russia, EJ-230 engine may be good for 5th gen jet.

Edit:

Why go for Gripes NG? When they are willing to work on totally new platform for 5th gen, if a good partner is available.

 

[cerberus]

Dude - by 2020 Chinese avionics technology will be on par with EU. Stealth shaping will
give J-31 a huge advantage over fighters like EF.

Only paper they proven nothing on the ground all just to much speculation and defense forums stuff

 

[UKBengali]

Only paper they proven nothing on the ground all just to much speculation and defense forums stuff

What have EU proven then against an advanced military? Nothing as this is also all on paper.

 

[thesolar65]

PAK-JF17!!

 

[cerberus]

What have EU proven then against an advanced military? Nothing as this is also all on paper.

Haha mr EU defense firms has reputation of over 100 of years in military hardware gone back ww2 times

 

[Zarvan]

SOURCE: Anand SG / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

With Media reports emerging about major differences emerging between India and Russia on Joint development of a 5th generation fighter jet based on Russia’s Pak-fa over price demanded by Russia for Customization and Indian air force still not convinced about the maturity of the technology developed for Pak-Fa , it seems more or less Project is in the back-burner if not completely dead .

Russians officially now seem to have strategically tied sale of S-400 Air defence System to India only if they have deal on Pak-fa with India, it is pretty much clear now that Russians do not have funds nor Research to complete the project unless India injects much-needed funds into Pak-Fa project which will provide India little share in technological know-how of complex next-generation aviation technology since India’s Work-share is quite limited to provide nonessential systems for the project .

like always Indian Air force too does not seem to have any backup plans regarding procurement of 5th generation fighter jet program which will be placed at the top tier of its aircraft inventory and will overtake current frontline 4.5++ generation fighter jets like Sukhoi-30 fighters in near future.

While few countries have initiated their own 5th generation fighter jets program in recent years, only United States can offer Lockheed Martin developed F-35 5th generation fighter jets which will become operational in dozen air forces around the world by 2020.

Countries like Japan and South Korea-Indonesia too have their own 5th generation fighter jet programs which are of similar capabilities and categories like that of India’s own AMCA 5th generation fighter jet program for India to take notice or consider seriously.

Russia’s Mig Corporation proposed LMFS single-engine, Stealthy multirole combat aircraft program is interesting program which will replace Mig-29 and is still in preliminary stage which can benefit India greatly if offered to be part of the project but status of the project is still in question due to lack of any developments reported in last few years for India to consider it seriously .

Coming back to India;s 5th generation AMCA project under which India aims to develop Multi-role Stealth aircraft which can perform multi-mission operations when required in the area of operation seems to be ideal program for India to bank on since it will allow India to fund Research and development of the project which will help India in other future projects which will return allow India to develop local infrastructure/ manpower while still maintaining higher degree of customization as per user requirements .

India have only two options right now it's either PAK FA or F-35. Problem with F-35 is that their is really high possibility that one day Pakistan may also have them in our Arsenal so India won't have some exclusive right like they right now have on PAK FA. So India should stick with Russia and PAK FA

 

[cerberus]

India have only two options right now it's either PAK FA or F-35. Problem with F-35 is that their is really high possibility that one day Pakistan may also have them in our Arsenal so India won't have some exclusive right like they right now have on PAK FA. So India should stick with Russia and PAK FA

Pakistan having f-35 that to in times where there will be multipolar world.

 

[Sipahi]

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