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If it comes down to this, will Pak-Army kill its own people?

Will Pak Army shot & kill its own people?


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Gladly, dealing with Civilians is the responsibility of the Police and if the matter escalates beyond their capability, the para-military are called into play. The sole act of calling in the Army would mean that the writ of the state faces serious challenge and the military is the final phase in the evolution of trinity. There is no further fall back, once the Army has been called in, the situation will either improve by any and all means necessary or the state will collapse. One of the two options.
I advocate firing non-lethals at violent protesters who damage public property and injure or kill people who do not support them in spreading anarchy.

Protest for rights is not a challenge to the writ of the state, infact its to enforce it, against the illegal actions of the top brass...

Remember also that its a third world country's army, Generals are stringed to be puppets of international powers. this has been the case with Pakistan army, that can be said with surety.

how many among the army will obey the orders of killing their own people to protect the marshall law?

that would be the key..
 
Protest for rights is not a challenge to the writ of the state, infact its to enforce it, against the illegal actions of the top brass...

The right to protest is a fundamental right and guaranteed by the constitution as well but when it becomes a riot, when other people's rights are being usurped in the name of protests, it is at that moment that a line needs to be drawn. Protest should be civil and professional like the NHS protest or the Fire Department portents in the UK. They didn't burn down buildings, burn cars or refuse to show up for work, they stood at a protest camp when they were off duty. If that is the sort of protest being advocated then I see it as a very healthy part of a functional society.

Remember also that its a third world country's army, Generals are stringed to be puppets of international powers. this has been the case with Pakistan army, that can be said with surety.

There is a large possibility that it was a foreign sponsored coup but the fact remains that it is the Egyptian locals that are dealing with the consequences. With the situation spiralling out of control and situation escalating in Sinai as well, the Egyptian military finds itself in a tough spot.

how many among the army will obey the orders of killing their own people to protect the marshall law?

There won't be a Martial Law in India or Pakistan but if the situation does boil down to the likes of which Egypt is seeing, the military will suppress it with force. Like I said, the Army is the final frontier before total collapse and anarchy.
 
lol all the indian voted to yes as if they know PA personaly
 
Karachi riots in 1965 by Ayub Khan,,
Karachiites supported fatima Jinnah while Punjabis and Pukhtoons supported Ayub Khan...
After that Army establishment becoming stronger and laid down the foundation of bangladesh as bengalis voted for Fatima Jinnah ..
Muhajirs of Pakistan and bengalis ONLY voted for fatima while whole Pakistan supported Army rule..
Fatima Jinnah was disrespected by establishment and declared anti state..
Khurram Dastgir father Ghulam Dastgir and other Waderas of Punjab misbehaved with Jinnah's sister...
Killed many urdu speakers in Karachi by Gohar Ayub and its supporters...

above scenario laid down the foundation of Bangladesh and MQM..
The reason why Urdu speakers of MQM became violent....
Thanks to......

For that Purpose Establishment needed Sindhi Leader to control Karachi..
Bhutto was the best choice then...
 
Political parties supported fatima by the way..

Target Killings in Karachi & Ethnic Hatred before & after "DEATH"!
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1275/1051684539_91038c6766.jpgSeptember 18. Combined Opposition Parties (COP) stuns Ayub’s camp by nominating Miss Fatima Jinnah, popularly called "Mother of the Nation" as presidential candidate for the elections to be held in Jan, 1965. The 9 point program of COP includes restoration of direct elections, adult franchise, democratization of 1962 Constitution. After suffering a brief ban, the Jamaat-e-Islami does an about-turn on its established dogma of not accepting the leadership of a woman and supports Miss Fatima Jinnah for head of state against Ayub Khan. November. A round of political meetings with the Basic Democrats is underway, in which Ayub Khan and Fatima Jinnah appear before their electors in each area at different times but usually on the same days. While Ayub Khan is probably groomed by his oratorial Foreign Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto not to be bogged down by statistics (Ayub's tragic flaw) and instead focus on emotionalizing his speeches to his limited capacity, the Opposition Leader Miss Fatima Jinnah is coming out as a bitter critic of everything that smacks of a dictatorial stamp on it - from the personal traits of Ayub Khan to his son's alleged abuse of power for strengthening his 'Gandhara Motors' to the general character of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto whom she recently dubbed as 'inebriate and a philanderer.' Even Ayub stooped below his usual level of decorum when, at a press conference in Lahore, he exclaimed that Miss Jinnah has been leading an 'unnatural' life (obviously a reference to her spinsterhood) and was surrounded by 'perverts.' November 19. The elections for the Basic Democrats have ended today. Under the Constitution in force in Pakistan since 1962, it is these elected representatives of the people and not the people themselves who will vote in the forthcoming Presidential Elections. The Government earlier decided not to issue party tickets to the contestants of these elections, and the opposition is seeing it as a shrewd move: it is now more convenient to purchase the Basic Democrats. In the absence of a definite categorization of the Basic Democrats both parties are claiming victory. The official Muslim League claims that 80% of the BDs were Ayub's supporters while the Combined Opposition Party (COP) claims 90% of the winners to be its own. December 1. Ayub warns Urdu-speaking BD members from Karachi against voting for his opponents: "Agay samandar hai…" - Courtesy: Mr. Khurram Ali Shafique - The Chronicle of Pakistan Compiled by Khurram Ali Shafique 1964 http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/chronicle/1964.htm


January 1964: As results of presidential elections are announced, Fatima Jinnah loses with 28,345 votes against Ayub’s 49,647. Mian Bashir Ahmad gets 65 and K.M.Kamal 183 votes. In a press statement issued on the eve of her defeat, Miss Jinnah says: "The system under which these elections were fought was initially devised to perpetuate the… incumbent of the Presidential Office. Neither does it provide room for the free expression of the popular will, nor does it conform to the known and established principles of democracy in the civilised world… There is no doubt that the elections have been rigged. I am sure that the so-called victory of Mr. Ayub Khan is his greatest defeat. The election campaign… was only the beginning of our march for the emancipation of the country from the shackles of an authoritarian rule. We shall, therefore, continue to work with renewed faith for the achievement of our destined goal and restore to the people their sovereignty which will usher in true democracy in the country." January 4. Ethnic riots erupt in Karachi as citizens protest against violation of Section 144 by President’s son and Pukhtoon transporters, who took out a procession to celebrate election victory. Aggressors raid colonies in the night. Bloody massacres are witnessed, yet official sources claim only six dead. Courtesy: Mr. Khurram Ali Shafique - The Chronicle of Pakistan Compiled by Khurram Ali Shafique 1965 http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/chronicle/1965.htm

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Please also see the following report from Milwaukee Journal of January 19 1965 regarding Gohar Ayub Khan’s shamefule role in the violence in Karachi following the 1964-65 elections. He is a politician whose entire political career seems to consist of pitting his own constituents against other groups in the country just for his own short-term political gain. (Captain Gohar Ayub Khan shaking hands with his own Father i.e. Field Marshal (without fighting any war) and American Backed Martial Law Administrator of Pakistan "General Ayub Khan" (1958 to 1969)





http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rntJ7zAkI...a1gmQEWuwks/s400/burning-karachib1.jpgKARACHI, March 23: While parts of the city have been in the grip of ethnic violence once again for the past many days, it is observed that the victims of targeted attacks as well as patients belonging to certain communities were usually not taken to the nearest government hospital. The alarming trend where people with a certain ethnic background avoid some hospitals even if they are in a precarious condition has developed over the years, though it becomes noticeable during spates of ethnic killings and violence that the city often witnesses. “Yes, there is a clear pattern that Pakhtun victims of targeted attacks are not taken to the Abbasi Shaheed Hospital for treatment; they even don`t allow the bodies of targeted killing victims to be taken to the ASH,” said a senior official of the medico-legal section of the Sindh government on the condition of anonymity. REFERENCE: Ethnic divide hits city hospitals By S. Raza Hassan | From the Newspaper March 24, 2011 (2 days ago) http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/24/ethnic-divide-hits-city-hospitals.html

A warning for Trigger Happy "Alleged Muslim Ummah of Pakistan"

http://balkansnet.org/cleansing.gifMore than two hundred thousands civilians have been killed in Bosnia and Croatia since the beginning of the war. Tens of thousands of women were raped, some of them more than a hundred times, while their sons and husbands were beaten and tortured in concentration camps like Omarska and Manjaca. Millions lost their homes due to a process called "ethnic cleansing." http://balkansnet.org/ethnicl.html

Who is behind the Massacres of Aligarh Colony, Qasba Colony & Hyderabad in 1986/1988 Part 1

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well if Pak army going to kill political worker doesnot matter if they are inno or not... then its fine and lovely :smitten:
 
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