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IAF's Sukhoi jets to be upgraded to fifth generation fighters

Sounds like BS from the Russians. Why don't they paint all their Mig21,25,29,31,SUxx with it to reduce their RCS if it's so easy? Only gullible Indians eat up Russian BS like there's no tomorrow, and spent huge amount of money for the privilege.

And what does the same gullible yankees do? buy russian tech and systems for their own fifth gen fighter and space technology as if no one else is willing to sell them et all.........
 
Seems for some of my Pakistani friends 5th gen means RCS only...:hitwall:

I wonder why but when India sign a deal for Jets or weapons, my dear Pakistani friends says.. dont jump.. you have just signed a deal.. not delivered and blah blah.. and when some one ask them what you have...then the common answer is either so old F16 ( acc to them the mighty) ... and J20 which even china wont get till this decade... Come on.. plain bashing is nothing... tell me what Pakistan has to counter? Back up your bashing with some logic dudes..:azn:
 
The title itself is wrong. Instead it should have been made," IAF MKI to get near 5th gen capabilitites".

said by Dharmachakra.
You got to make yourself new pair of those.

OOOOOps I forgot to take the opinion of this genius on how to call an upgrade of a 4.5 gen fighter with 5th gen technologies..
Maybe his highness is willing to coin a new term for such an upgraded fighter.

Certainly you cant make a 4.5 gen a 5th gen and that too an a/c like MKI with its huge RCS structure. And applying stealth tech you can bring down the RCS but not to VLO level. Apart from stealth,everything can be easily acheivable on MKI by throwing in some money.
 
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Dont know why people are trolling

Most of you are smart enough to know that you cannot convert a 4+ gen fighter to a 5th gen fighter , it is that simple
All the upgrades which the Russians are talking for Su30MKI have already been incorporated in the Su35B
Whether it be AESA radar , improved Datalink , Better Avionics , Higher Thrust Engine as well as some RCS reduction
Do you guys know that Mig29K ofthe Indian Navy has 80% smaller RCS than Mig29S operated by IAF
The Mig29smt upgrade under which first batch of 6 upgraded aircrafts were handed to IAF recenty , have actually undergone RCS reduction to the tune of 60% apart from getting a better radar , avionics , Higher thrust engine

Also Su35BM has an RCS of 1 sqm COMPARED TO Su30MKI which has RCS of 10 sqm , even if after the Super30 upgrade , we are able to reduce the RCS to 3.5 Sqm , it would still be quite handy , considering the fact that Su35BM has nearly the same airframe as MKI minus the canards and 2nd seat
 
Why every one is thinking mki generation cannot be increased?
What makes a plane a fifth generation?
The ultimate aim of fifth generation plane is damage as much but survive.
1.Stealth-Its ultimate purpose is to hide so that enemy missiles wont hit the plane at a reasonable distances.
Good Jammers also make the same sense . For Example a missile cant hit growler easily as the link will be destroyed from missile and enemy plane by powerful jammers so that lock will be released.
Infact Growler is non stealthy fifth generation fighter.
Think in different way, I repeat the main aim of stealth is to survive that can be achieved by very powerful jammers
So mki can achieve such feat by super jammers. Even the enemy tracks it, it cant do any thing by launching missiles.More over little bit of RCS can be reduced by using RAM and composites.

2.Reduced IR signature-Its ultimate aim is to avoid heat seeking missiles.
Though jammers are used , IR signature cant be avoided so that there is a high probability for a missile to be hit . So Engines are designed such that they give less heat as output by employing various techniques. And Russians had good grip at flares to avoid missile hit.
Mki can be given such features by small design change and engine modification/new engine.
3.Super Cruise-Its ultimate aim is to intercept at high speeds using less amount of fuel unlike by using afterburners where you need to compromise on range/fuel if you want to move at high speeds.
Advantage 1: By super cruising, additional IR signature is reduced, unlike using after burners so that it can avoid IR missiles in a dog fight.
Advantage 2: Super Cruising engines give the plane Agility . The engines give better acceleration and climb rates.
Mki can be fitted with high thrust engine like the one on PAKFA Prototype-II so that it can super cruise.
4.Super Maneuverability-The ultimate purpose of Super Maneuverability is to give the plane more command on enemy so that it can position it self to make a lock on enemy and to evade enemy missiles by extreme aerobatics.
Thrust vectoring makes the plane to maneuver plane in specified direction at near zero speeds and it increases high angle of attack.
Mki is already a super maneuverable plane that makes it an air dominance fighter . Canards , huge rudders , air frame and thrust vectoring engines make the plane to attain near zero speed and accelerate at high rate giving high angle of attack than any western plane.
5.Multiroleness-The ultimate purpose of multi role fighters is to ensure that a single plane can attack the enemy while handling air borne threats parallely .
The following are the things that a multirole fighter should possess :
1.Next generation missiles that can track target automatically and works for long range that has IR cum radio sensors.
2.Sensors that make plane to strike accurately like optical pods, using LGB's etc.
3.Maneuverability that makes plane to handle air superiority missions.
Multiroleness is one of the reason why US stopped induction of F22 is it is not a true multirole . It is mainly for air superiority . By the way US cant have 1000 F22's to counter China . Rather they can have a multi role fighter which can destroy targets accurately , so resulted in JSF program where F35 is a multirole fighter, though money is a factor.
Mki is a true multirole fighter with good radar, special maritime role capability,can carry heavy cruise missiles,LGB's,TVGB's and can act as mini awacs!!!
6.Situational Awareness-The ultimate purpose of situational awareness is to know the enemy positions and threats that are waiting so that a decision can be taken how to counter the threats easily .
Infact a pilot cannot do any thing expect to be ready to eject or flare if he knows that an IR missile is approaching travelling at Mach 4.5 and is ready to hit in 3 seconds. Powerful radars , satellite communications and data links help a plane to know the threats. Mki is gonna upgraded with a better, may be aesa radar that makes the plane more like awacs .

Also the next generation cockpit and avionics can make a difference in generation of mki .
 
And what does the same gullible yankees do? buy russian tech and systems for their own fifth gen fighter and space technology as if no one else is willing to sell them et all.........

:rofl: Ignorant Indians like you that know nothing about weapon tech must be very bliss.
 
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I am US supporter but the funny thing is Russia was better in defence tech than US but due to fall of USSR alot of projects got cancelled. The basic structure on which US stealth tech is built is actually a gift of a Russian scientist and by the way the same Russian was responsible for some great work on Radars. F35 VTOL tech was purchased from Russia. Russians were way better in missile tech also and they were way ahead in Space also. I won't be surprised if they build something good. Believe it or not buddy but Russian scientist were crazy. Just look at the helicopter projects from late 80s (Ka 90, ka 92 etc.) which were abandoned due to lack of money. Their Buran aircraft etc. etc. Russian MBTs have impressed everyone from time to time. They also have more nuclear warhead than US and their submarines are way quieter (means stealthier) than US counterpart which has made US defence analyst to rethink.

In short US is the best but Russia is not bad either and infact if they would not have lacked money they will actually be better than US.

You made big claims about U.S. getting advance tech from Russia. You have any sources for them? Or just your imagination?

USSR weapons were good but U.S. was at least 5 to 10 years ahead of them consistently. USSR helicopters were crap. They got shot down a lot in Afgan by the lowly Sting missile. If USSR/Russia were so good with stealth tech, why haven't they produced one yet? T-50 is just crap in stealth.

Russian weapon R&D have not progressed since USSR broken up. They are just recycling old tech from USSR days. For large modern battle ships, they have to buy it from France. Their tanks T-90 are very dated. Russian submarines are quieter than U.S.?!! Don't make me laugh. You obviously have never heard of Los Angeles, Seawolf, and Virginia class submarines.

Yes, they have more nuclear warheads but most of them have not been tested for years and are rotten away. Besides, you just need enough nuclear bombs for deterrent. No need to overkill it.

USSR were never first rate in weapon tech. What they had were massive cheap production and massive armies. Russia nowadays has neither of those. See how badly they performed in Afgan, Chechen, and Ossetia Wars.
 
:rofl: Ignorant Indians like you that know nothing about weapon tech must be very bliss.

If i am ignorant or not, its not you to decide, but I can see who is ignorant here.Go ask Lokmart how they got the tech for JSF VTOL. is it by licking balls of yakolev?

I dont even bother to know who the hell you are, and why you are hinding under a different flag.
 
If USSR was so advance when compare to Americans, why are their technology consistently fall behind that of American technology? Back when USSR was at its best, it was 5-10 years behind the US. Now, Russian technology is behind Europe and on most fields, it is closer to the Chinese than that of Americans. However, Russian technology is still way ahead of Indians so you guys still worship your Russian big brother, like the cold war days.
 
If USSR was so advance when compare to Americans, why are their technology consistently fall behind that of American technology? Back when USSR was at its best, it was 5-10 years behind the US. Now, Russian technology is behind Europe and on most fields, it is closer to the Chinese than that of Americans. However, Russian technology is still way ahead of Indians so you guys still worship your Russian big brother, like the cold war days.

If american technology is so advanced then why does Atlas rockets use russian engines??
and i bet you dont know anything about russia-india relations so give yourself a break :)
 
If american technology is so advanced then why does Atlas rockets use russian engines??
and i bet you dont know anything about russia-india relations so give yourself a break :)

because its cheaper. Its like apple build ipod in China. Atlas socket use a cheaper Russian engine as a similar American engine would be more expensive to construct.
You guys need to realize that the technology to send satellite and even people to space are yesterday's technology. Just because India does not have the capability does not mean that the technology is advanced.
 
because its cheaper. Its like apple build ipod in China. Atlas socket use a cheaper Russian engine as a similar American engine would be more expensive to construct.
You guys need to realize that the technology to send satellite and even people to space are yesterday's technology. Just because India does not have the capability does not mean that the technology is advanced.
No one's denying the fact that satellite launches and space projects have been going on for sometime now. It's not a question of just launching satellites. It's about launching them successfully. Even the US has failures with the Shuttle disasters and the Minuteman launch failure. It's a technology that has too many variables to master. That's the reason why only a handful of countries can attempt it.
 
The article has some mistakes like IAF has 140-150MKI's in service & We want 270+MKI's not 230.
 

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