IAF's Su-30 MKI to go Against France's Rafale Jets During Garuda VI Exercise

[SQ8]

71 has one big element that they conveniently forget...a government that actually engineered a defeat just to stay in power!

Doesn’t matter- the military fought as it did. That has no affect on how they or us fought in the air. Read up on accounts by our veterans on how the IAF surprised us by their tenacity and discipline.

 

[GumNaam]

Doesn’t matter- the military fought as it did. That has no affect on how they or us fought in the air. Read up on accounts by our veterans on how the IAF surprised us by their tenacity and discipline.

doesn't change the fact that half of the military was fighting with dwindling supplies in hostile land far far away. under such a situation, iaf would find it easy to be tenacious and maintain discipline. has east and west Pakistan been right next to each other geographically with supply lines intact and a government loyal the country, I can guarantee you, iaf would've found themselves severely lacking in both tenacity and discipline.

it's easy to maintain discipline and be tenacious when you know that half of the enemy's air force is running low on aircrafts, fuel and ammunition!

 

[thinkingcap81]

Their current training has indirectly their booming economy to blame- their creme left in the 90s to fly for airlines and to this day it continues to happen. We have also suffered but not as severely yet(although Ive heard its starting to hit home a little with our traditionally high pilot to cockpit ratios dropping) while their industry is still growing and taking their aviators; because at the end the IAF isn’t paying as much as an airline will.

Other considerations are there as well including obsolete and disparate equipment along with force size as well.

If this be the case with IAF, how is the same avoided by the best western air-forces - is it that for those AFs only the truely passionate apply for those jobs?

 

[Talon]

If the French do better, the MKI is going to end up being a source of under confidence for its pilots..
If the MKI does better, then what is the point of the Rafale?

Although in reality, the true focus is to check interoperability between the two.
Maybe, they’ll simulate engaging F-16s under jamming - get a win in that scenario and then feel all happy about themselves.
@Hodor @airomerix @Dazzler @JamD

I think MKI pilots have already lost their confidence (atleast for sometime) after 27 February, even if there was no kill,they couldn't do anything against our vipers.

They can boast about training scenarios as much they want (even a Pg can take out a viper in training) but things are always different in real life.

Their current training has indirectly their booming economy to blame- their creme left in the 90s to fly for airlines and to this day it continues to happen. We have also suffered but not as severely yet(although Ive heard its starting to hit home a little with our traditionally high pilot to cockpit ratios dropping) while their industry is still growing and taking their aviators; because at the end the IAF isn’t paying as much as an airline will.

Other considerations are there as well including obsolete and disparate equipment along with force size as well.

Paf isn't paying much to its pilots either and I know people who have asked for release just to join commercial or high requirements of the job with less pay.USAF pays like commercial pilots to its fighters if I am not wrong.

After insolvency of Shaheen and incompatibility of Serene Air, commercial flying has been greatly affected which was already not in good state.Although many young pilots are being trained in General aviation,it will surely affect pilot to cockpit ratio in a negative way.In past you had to wait around 7-8 years to get a job in PIA as a pilot,wonder what will happen if ratio gap keeps increasing.

 

[Trango Towers]

More you get kick on your back, more you try to cover it up with fabricated stories. Loosing F 16 to.mig 21 seem to be your achievement.

Do you Indian nog wonder why

Air strike on Madrassa...no footage
300 dead... no footage. International media found nothing
F16 claim. Nothing. Except your radar lines that the whole world laughed.
We launched strikes and shook your military commander who admit running from bunkers
Modi said if you had rafaels this wouldnt have happened.
Mig21 shot down. Wreckage and abinandhan displayed.
Su30mki. Indian media showed pictures and Indian media admitted to it being shot down.
Helicopter down wreckage and Pakistan said we disng shoot it. Turns out yoh shot it yourself.

Now any impartial person. What story will he believe.
Even now on Twitter Indians are saying we can say 300 bodies in balakog within minutes of a strike yet we lose an aircraft in India and we cant find it. They are calling modi a liar.

Question is why didnt Indian airforce counter PAF. Yoh have such larger force. Why did you chicken out.

 

[My-Analogous]

Two of Best fighters in service will be pitted against each other. It will be interesting to track the outcome.

In IAF hands we all know what is the outcome. Please switch the planes to see true potential of MKI

 

[SQ8]

If this be the case with IAF, how is the same avoided by the best western air-forces - is it that for those AFs only the truely passionate apply for those jobs?

There were multiple articles on how the USAF is having pilot shortages.
The USAF has the reservists who fly for them on the weekends and complete one deployment per year I think @Knuckles

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Pakistanis trolling in this thread should understand a thing. This encounter for Thank God has let known the drawbacks of Su30 in a war like scenario even though its ability to shrug off one of world's best A2A missile is noteworthy. The limited range of its A2A missile with respect to its huge working range of Radar will be corrected soon.

Guess next time the Sukhois wont have the drawback. IAF is working with Israel to have Iderby in their platforms. And till that time comes, Pakistanis do have the right to brag. Now Bloat away.

 

[GumNaam]

Pakistanis trolling in this thread should understand a thing. This encounter for Thank God has let known the drawbacks of Su30 in a war like scenario even though its ability to shrug off one of world's best A2A missile is noteworthy. The limited range of its A2A missile with respect to its huge working range of Radar will be corrected soon.

Guess next time the Sukhois wont have the drawback. IAF is working with Israel to have Iderby in their platforms. And till that time comes, Pakistanis do have the right to brag. Now Bloat away.

au30 has no drawbacks and nothing wrong with its a2a missiles either. the only drawback is what's sitting inside the su30!

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

au30 has no drawbacks and nothing wrong with its a2a missiles either. the only drawback is what's sitting inside the su30!

As I said, bloat away.

 

[GumNaam]

As I said, bloat away.

Not bloating. its a fact.

 

[alee92nawaz]

True for Meteor. For any other missile , Su 30 cancuse IDerby or Astra. Which is planned.

Amraam is superior as per ex IAF officials

 

[Raider 21]

There were multiple articles on how the USAF is having pilot shortages.
The USAF has the reservists who fly for them on the weekends and complete one deployment per year I think @Knuckles

The USAF has a separate Air Force Reserve. They have people who are full-time in the Reserve flying regularly and they have the part-timers too. Then is the Air National Guard, under the National Guard of a state. They also have full time and part-time Guardsmen. One of the most interesting groups I have seen are the pilot-physicians, they are MDs and fly fighters at the same time (aerospace internal medicine residents while flying F-16s, F-15s and most recently F-35s).

The deployment is dependent on if the squadron. Here is an interesting documentary for it.

The USAF active duty service these days are having a major shortage of fighter pilots....

 

[Globalwarrior]

Exercise results ?!

 

[GumNaam]

Exercise results ?!

hasn't happened yet. scheduled for end of june I think...