IAF's Su-30 MKI to go Against France's Rafale Jets During Garuda VI Exercise

[Surya 1]

the su30 can use proton torpedos from star trek for all I care, the R77s, the R73s are perfectly good missiles, they are right up their with the astras, derbys, AMRAAMs, you name it. the su30 is not the problem, the su30's missiles are also not the problem...the problem is somewhere between the su30's hud and the su30's ejection seat!

ferrari may bandar bitha nay say bandar koi nascar driver nahi ban jata...bandar baar haal bandar hi hota hay!

You are right. Ejection seat seat is is very important. We have seen pilots taking gravity ride because of failure of ejection seat seat in our neighborhood.

 

[Ultima Thule]

the su30 can use proton torpedos from star trek for all I care, the R77s, the R73s are perfectly good missiles, they are right up their with the astras, derbys, AMRAAMs, you name it. the su30 is not the problem, the su30's missiles are also not the problem...the problem is somewhere between the su30's hud and the su30's ejection seat!

ferrari may bandar bitha nay say bandar koi nascar driver nahi ban jata...bandar baar haal bandar hi hota hay!

No no bro their BVR lack a range on 27 FEB air battle R-77 have a range of 80 Km, Derby/Mica has a range of 60 km that's why their air Chief whining about I-derby with a range of 100 km should be included in MKI weapons @GumNaam

 

[GumNaam]

You are right. Ejection seat seat is is very important. We have seen pilots taking gravity ride because of failure of ejection seat seat in our neighborhood.

oh lemme guess, pilots like wing commander shaahszashahzaahssahzaduddin, riiiiiiight?

 

[Zapper]

True for Meteor. For any other missile , Su 30 cancuse IDerby or Astra. Which is planned.

Are you sure about Astras being used in this exercise. We did test it successfully multiple times but didn't yet receive an FOC right

 

[GumNaam]

No no bro their BVR lack a range on 27 FEB air battle R-77 have a range of 80 Km, Derby/Mica has a range of 60 km that's why their air Chief whining about I-derby with a range of 100 km should be included in MKI weapons @GumNaam

the missile is not the problem...the pilots are. proper tactics and signal warfare can easily make these missiles a potent weapon. and the indians have all the needed equipment and they still got humiliated! they blame anything from the radar and the weather to missiles, you name it, the fact is and remains that their equipment was being used by a bunch p!ss poorly trained spunkmonkeys!

 

[Surya 1]

Are you sure about Astras being used in this exercise. We did test it successfully multiple times but didn't yet receive an FOC right

No I don't know.

 

[Ultima Thule]

the missile is not the problem...the pilots are. proper tactics and signal warfare can easily make these missiles a potent weapon. and the indians have all the needed equipment and they still got humiliated! they blame anything from the radar and the weather to missiles, you name it, the fact is and remains that their equipment was being used by a bunch p!ss poorly trained spunkmonkeys!

No if they had comparable missile to our AMRAAM/SD-10 then result would be quite different and don't underestimate your enemy, be real bro @GumNaam

You are right. Ejection seat seat is is very important. We have seen pilots taking gravity ride because of failure of ejection seat seat in our neighborhood.

And do belive whatever you want but reality is quite different/opposite you know troll @Surya 1

 

[airomerix]

Their current training has indirectly their booming economy to blame- their creme left in the 90s to fly for airlines and to this day it continues to happen. We have also suffered but not as severely yet(although Ive heard its starting to hit home a little with our traditionally high pilot to cockpit ratios dropping) while their industry is still growing and taking their aviators; because at the end the IAF isn’t paying as much as an airline will.

Other considerations are there as well including obsolete and disparate equipment along with force size as well.

True. My dad's brother left flying Mirages back in 80s for C-130 squadron. This was because in aviation industry, 1 hour of a fighter is not equal to 1 hour of a lets say a commercial airliner. But C-130 hours were directly translated. He couldnt make it to PIA though.

Lots of pilots attempt it and get successful. PAF's entire structure is so stringent that we seldom compromise on quality. So even if guys leave, the mettle stays.

 

[GumNaam]

True. My dad's brother left flying Mirages back in 80s for C-130 squadron. This was because in aviation industry, 1 hour of a fighter is not equal to 1 hour of a lets say a commercial airliner. But C-130 hours were directly translated. He couldnt make it to PIA though.

Lots of pilots attempt it and get successful. PAF's entire structure is so stringent that we seldom compromise on quality. So even if guys leave, the mettle stays.

Mettle is the key, that is what it ultimately boils down to...the mettle of iaf pilots is questionable at best!

 

[SQ8]

Mettle is the key, that is what it ultimately boils down to...the mettle of iaf pilots is questionable at best!

I wouldn’t go that far. They have thorough professionals who are spread thin due to the reasons outlined earlier. Also, their pilot hours are pretty good but they have had a culture of rigging training scenarios in their favor.
That will need to change.

 

[GumNaam]

I wouldn’t go that far. They have thorough professionals who are spread thin due to the reasons outlined earlier. Also, their pilot hours are pretty good but they have had a culture of rigging training scenarios in their favor.
That will need to change.

Bro, bravery, guts and the "do or die" attitude are the 3 things can neither be bought with money nor developed through technology...training and skills being equal, it ultimate boils down to these 3 main ingredients that define a soldier's level of aggressiveness regardless of the theater of operations, be it land, air or sea.

 

[ColonelSanders]

We have put many state of art elections in MKI. Radar change and putting state of art BVR will make it most lethal.

I am sure your su30 will be able to kill all of Pakistani helium balloons with those upgrades

 

[GumNaam]

We have put many state of art elections in MKI. Radar change and putting state of art BVR will make it most lethal.

all those supa dupa "state of the art" fantashtik updates didn't help at all on Feb 27th now did they?

 

[SQ8]

Bro, bravery, guts and the "do or die" attitude are the 3 things can neither be bought with money nor developed through technology...training and skills being equal, it ultimate boils down to these 3 main ingredients that define a soldier's level of aggressiveness regardless of the theater of operations, be it land, air or sea.

We took that mentality into 71, see where that landed us. Don’t prepare for a fight with them thinking they aren’t as good(or better than us).

We sent some of our best up on 27th, they had their best up on the 26th after they struck us to spring their trap.. we just delayed pretending we were not going to.

Had it been them with their best and their equipment and us that day- the outcome could have been much more sobering.

 

[GumNaam]

We took that mentality into 71, see where that landed us. Don’t prepare for a fight with them thinking they aren’t as good(or better than us).

We sent some of our best up on 27th, they had their best up on the 26th after they struck us to spring their trap.. we just delayed pretending we were not going to.

Had it been them with their best and their equipment and us that day- the outcome could have been much more sobering.

71 has one big element that they conveniently forget...a government that actually engineered a defeat just to stay in power!