I don't consider Trump worth sending a message to, we won't negotiate with U.S.

[Kastor]

The best answer.
I don't know how and why we should trust Americans. They won't stand on their
We should not repeat same mistake twice.

Well, maybe, he should have explained why he won't engage a little better. However, when you say that you should have a strong bargaining position, he obviously does not which shows this is an amateurish move. Is the U.S. economy suffering? Is oil prices going up because our oil is not on the market? Is the world ostracizing the U.S.? The answer to all of that is no...so basically you hold no cards and no plan to get out of this situation...anyone that tells you any different is lying to you. If the tension has risen or Iran has had anything to do with the proxy attack on S.A. or the tankers the objective should have been to send a message that we're not going to sit idle while you unleash an economic war on us...the message should have had an intended outcome. An outcome that would have led to talks or negotiations. I know....we've had negotiations and they broke their word but now what? We let them sanction our economy to death while we sit and watch? What is the end game here? If you don't have a card to play then you have to come to the table weather you like it or not.

 

[SubWater]

Well, maybe, he should have explained why he won't engage a little better. However, when you say that you should have a strong bargaining position, he obviously does not which shows this is an amateurish move. Is the U.S. economy suffering? Is oil prices going up because our oil is not on the market? Is the world ostracizing the U.S.? The answer to all of that is no...so basically you hold no cards and no plan to get out of this situation...anyone that tells you any different is lying to you. If the tension has risen or Iran has had anything to do with the proxy attack on S.A. or the tankers the objective should have been to send a message that we're not going to sit idle while you unleash an economic war on us...the message should have had an intended outcome. An outcome that would have led to talks or negotiations. I know....we've had negotiations and they broke their word but now what? We let them sanction our economy to death while we sit and watch? What is the end game here? If you don't have a card to play then you have to come to the table weather you like it or not.

Hello my friend
Look far horizon. do not just look few steps ahead.
first you should know what Iran wants from USA?
I answer myself, Iran wants USA to end sanctions.
Do Americans lift sanctions by negotiating?
Again answer myself, NO
what actions can reduce sanctions ????? (The main question)
so why we should speak with Americans when Trump use that as show on his benefit??

Second Iran won't play on their game. Iran play it's own game.

I do not know Iran is behind of current escalation or not but I know Trump w/ exiting deal made mistake and Iran should use benefit of this mistake!!!!!
IRGC has slogan to make opportunity from threat. Look at current trend with that glasses.

I don't want to say Iran plan base on my thought which could be wrong but I am sure there is plan, and Trump must choice b/w reduction of sanction or increase of tensions.

 

[Rafi]

You seem to be an apologist for Iran then.

Look, my point is that Iran is not smart in its geopolitics. Is it wise to adopt an anti-US posture for long-term given its power?

Disagreements with US? Understandable

Opposing US for long-term? Well, the clock is ticking....

And no, my emaan is not weak to the point of believing in worldy Gods (there are none) but one must have common sense when not being the biggest fish in the pond.


Iranian geopolitics at a glance.

Now you understand the problem, or shall I dig a bit deeper for you to get the memo?

I will leave a major hint: Syria.

You guys accuse others for being mischievous but you guys are equally/more mischievous under the table in reality. Pot calling the Kettle black.


See above.


What about Persian conquests and/or subjugations through the ages?

FYI: https://www.ancient.eu/timeline/Persia/

Slavery is not the point here, nobody will request your country to be a slave of the WEST (sovereignty is important to uphold), but lack of rational geopolitics in the case of post-Shah Iran is a valid critic. See my responses to other members above.

You do remember the 1954 coup, sponsored by the CIA to topple Mussadiqs democratically elected govt, also the propping up of the Shah and constant hostility of the US.

 

[raptor22]

You seem to be an apologist for Iran then.

Look, my point is that Iran is not smart in its geopolitics. Is it wise to adopt an anti-US posture for long-term given its power?

Disagreements with US? Understandable

Opposing US for long-term? Well, the clock is ticking....

And no, my emaan is not weak to the point of believing in worldy Gods (there are none) but one must have common sense when not being the biggest fish in the pond.


Iranian geopolitics at a glance.

Now you understand the problem, or shall I dig a bit deeper for you to get the memo?

I will leave a major hint: Syria.

You guys accuse others for being mischievous but you guys are equally/more mischievous under the table in reality. Pot calling the Kettle black.


See above.


What about Persian conquests and/or subjugations through the ages?

FYI: https://www.ancient.eu/timeline/Persia/

Slavery is not the point here, nobody will request your country to be a slave of the WEST (sovereignty is important to uphold), but lack of rational geopolitics in the case of post-Shah Iran is a valid critic. See my responses to other members above.

See what?

 

[Myself]

You do remember the 1954 coup, sponsored by the CIA to topple Mussadiqs democratically elected govt, also the propping up of the Shah and constant hostility, of the US.

Mussadiq, one of the most secretive traitors in the history of Iran, conducted the coup in reality! What Shah’s supporters did is called anti-coup. Shah was in a higher position than the traitor Mossadiq, and withdrawing a lower position person is not called coup, especially if it is done legally! Mossadig was not democratically elected; as never in the history of Iran prime ministers are chosen by election! So, you don’t need to spread nonesense statement in this forum, please. The same person who sanctioned and signed that Traitor’s nomination and made him the legal PM, signed and approved his discharge.

 

[Kastor]

Mussadiq, one of the most secretive traitors in the history of Iran, conducted the coup in reality! What Shah’s supporters did is called anti-coup. Shah was in a higher position than the traitor Mossadiq, and withdrawing a lower position person is not called coup, especially if it is done legally! Mossadig was not democratically elected; as never in the history of Iran prime ministers are chosen by election! So, you don’t need to spread nonesense statement in this forum, please. The same person who sanctioned and signed that Traitor’s nomination and made him the legal PM, signed and approved his discharge.

I've read several play by play of the events of the 1953 coup, I've never come across anything close to what you're saying. What is your source for this info?

 

[zartosht]

Mussadiq, one of the most secretive traitors in the history of Iran, conducted the coup in reality! What Shah’s supporters did is called anti-coup. Shah was in a higher position than the traitor Mossadiq, and withdrawing a lower position person is not called coup, especially if it is done legally! Mossadig was not democratically elected; as never in the history of Iran prime ministers are chosen by election! So, you don’t need to spread nonesense statement in this forum, please. The same person who sanctioned and signed that Traitor’s nomination and made him the legal PM, signed and approved his discharge.

so not wanting the british to loot Iranian oil is betrayal? He was elected in a democratic system you idiot. using your logic no PM on earth is "democratic"

but the so called "shah" using foreign intelligence agencies to get his fake crown back was some patriotic move right? are you Iranian? or just stupid?

 

[Myself]

so not wanting the british to loot Iranian oil is betrayal? He was elected in a democratic system you idiot. using your logic no PM on earth is "democratic"

but the so called "shah" using foreign intelligence agencies to get his fake crown back was some patriotic move right? are you Iranian? or just stupid?

You cannot talk normally without insulting other members? Can you? “Stupid” and “Idiot” are you yourself, and are those two who - unfortunately - brought you to this world. Behave yourself before typing here. Okay?
Shah is the same person who approved Mossadiq nomination for prime ministership, and is the same person who approved his discharge; both following the Iran then constitution. Is it difficult to understand that Shah and his army were above him with respect to power chart in Iranian government then, and discharging a lower rank person is not called Coup!
The aftermath of what Mossadiq did is what Iran has been suffering since then:
1- Freedom of speech is banned by government
2- No one - from normal citizens of course - knows how much oil is really sold each year and how the incomes gained from it is spent
3- Government spies on its own citizens
4- Government puppets chant “death to” in streets, and wildly demonstrate in the streets on different occasions, damaging banks, public transportation systems, etc. Exactly what Mossadiq’s gangs and rabbles initiated in Iran history!
5- Election has lost its meaning, and has become a fake show
6- ...

Before Mossadiq chaos, Iranians used to respect their monarchy and governments, even if they did not like them. Mossadiq launched a new era in the history of IRAN after which hatred and mistrust governed the relationship between the citizens and the government. Unfortunately, Shah had a low Political I.Q. and of course with a grain of dictatorship salt in his blood - common to all of us - and could not detect the plot behind what Mossadiq did. The whole plot was - as I mentioned earlier - to change the political and economical life of Iran onto a chaotic situation as it is now. Of course Mossadig was only an agent in this plot who did what he was supposed to do.

 

[zartosht]

You cannot talk normally without insulting other members? Can you? “Stupid” and “Idiot” are you yourself, and are those two who - unfortunately - brought you to this world. Behave yourself before typing here. Okay?
Shah is the same person who approved Mossadiq nomination for prime ministership, and is the same person who approved his discharge; both following the Iran then constitution. Is it difficult to understand that Shah and his army were above him with respect to power chart in Iranian government then, and discharging a lower rank person is not called Coup!
The aftermath of what Mossadiq did is what Iran has been suffering since then:
1- Freedom of speech is banned by government
2- No one - from normal citizens of course - knows how much oil is really sold each year and how the incomes gained from it is spent
3- Government spies on its own citizens
4- Government puppets chant “death to” in streets, and wildly demonstrate in the streets on different occasions, damaging banks, public transportation systems, etc. Exactly what Mossadiq’s gangs and rabbles initiated in Iran history!
5- Election has lost its meaning, and has become a fake show
6- ...

Before Mossadiq chaos, Iranians used to respect their monarchy and governments, even if they did not like them. Mossadiq launched a new era in the history of IRAN after which hatred and mistrust governed the relationship between the citizens and the government. Unfortunately, Shah had a low Political I.Q. and of course with a grain of dictatorship salt in his blood - common to all of us - and could not detect the plot behind what Mossadiq did. The whole plot was - as I mentioned earlier - to change the political and economical life of Iran onto a chaotic situation as it is now. Of course Mossadig was only an agent in this plot who did what he was supposed to do.

it takes a lot of warped wordplay for dumbasses like you to come to this sort of conclusion....

a patheticly weak, effeminate and possible closet homosexual "shah" Who got his "crown" put on his head by an invading army. 12 years later after letting foreigners loot Iranian treasure, a democratically elected government excersizes the peoples right to self determination. and ceases this loot of Iranian treasure. he ran away like a coward, and begged the same invading army to send their agents to IRan to put him back into "power"

it takes a special kind of garbage to come to the conclusion that Mossadegh is the traitor here.. not even the most harsh pro-monarchy people would make that sort of excuse raelly. they just like to ignore Mossadegh and pretend he doesn't exist. until some "patriot" moron like you comes out of the bush to defend his actions.. . pitful

any expat scum who supports foreigners controlling and looting Iran deserve to be insulted. You are no better then MEK scum. absolute parasitic trash that Iran got rid of 40 years ago. Your kind are not welcome back.

 

[Rafi]

it takes a lot of warped wordplay for dumbasses like you to come to this sort of conclusion....

a patheticly weak, effeminate and possible closet homosexual "shah" Who got his "crown" put on his head by an invading army. 12 years later after letting foreigners loot Iranian treasure, a democratically elected government excersizes the peoples right to self determination. and ceases this loot of Iranian treasure. he ran away like a coward, and begged the same invading army to send their agents to IRan to put him back into "power"

it takes a special kind of garbage to come to the conclusion that Mossadegh is the traitor here.. not even the most harsh pro-monarchy people would make that sort of excuse raelly. they just like to ignore Mossadegh and pretend he doesn't exist. until some "patriot" moron like you comes out of the bush to defend his actions.. . pitful

any expat scum who supports foreigners controlling and looting Iran deserve to be insulted. You are no better then MEK scum. absolute parasitic trash that Iran got rid of 40 years ago. Your kind are not welcome back.

Left wing, Liberal socially, also a Muslim and a nationalist, if he was not over thrown, Iran could have been a very different country.

 

[zartosht]

Left wing, Liberal socially, also a Muslim and a nationalist, if he was not over thrown, Iran could have been a very different country.

but according to this crazy monarchist it was all a scheme and ploy put down by the patriot shah (with help from CIA and MI6)

Mossadegh was an evil man set out to destroy peoples faith in the glorious monarchy of Pahlavi... (who got his crown put on his head by the heads of the soviet/british army invading Iran. )


evil Mossadegh was so commited to his evil plot that he even sacrificed himself to a life of house arrest and his followers to execution just to see his plot of undermining the shah come to fruitition

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

You cannot talk normally without insulting other members? Can you? “Stupid” and “Idiot” are you yourself, and are those two who - unfortunately - brought you to this world. Behave yourself before typing here. Okay?
Shah is the same person who approved Mossadiq nomination for prime ministership, and is the same person who approved his discharge; both following the Iran then constitution. Is it difficult to understand that Shah and his army were above him with respect to power chart in Iranian government then, and discharging a lower rank person is not called Coup!
The aftermath of what Mossadiq did is what Iran has been suffering since then:
1- Freedom of speech is banned by government
2- No one - from normal citizens of course - knows how much oil is really sold each year and how the incomes gained from it is spent
3- Government spies on its own citizens
4- Government puppets chant “death to” in streets, and wildly demonstrate in the streets on different occasions, damaging banks, public transportation systems, etc. Exactly what Mossadiq’s gangs and rabbles initiated in Iran history!
5- Election has lost its meaning, and has become a fake show
6- ...

Before Mossadiq chaos, Iranians used to respect their monarchy and governments, even if they did not like them. Mossadiq launched a new era in the history of IRAN after which hatred and mistrust governed the relationship between the citizens and the government. Unfortunately, Shah had a low Political I.Q. and of course with a grain of dictatorship salt in his blood - common to all of us - and could not detect the plot behind what Mossadiq did. The whole plot was - as I mentioned earlier - to change the political and economical life of Iran onto a chaotic situation as it is now. Of course Mossadig was only an agent in this plot who did what he was supposed to do.

I heard mossadegh was from Qajari descent and that he helped the British with the goal of supressing southern resistance against British forces.

 

[yavar]

Iran The decisive response leader Ayatollah Khamenei to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō Abe: I don't consider Trump worth sending a message to, we won't negotiate with U.S.
http://english.khamenei.ir/news/684...worth-sending-a-message-to-we-won-t-negotiate

 

[Humble Analyst]

I can say one sentence. Common sense is very uncommon nowadays.

 

[TheImmortal]

You cannot talk normally without insulting other members? Can you? “Stupid” and “Idiot” are you yourself, and are those two who - unfortunately - brought you to this world. Behave yourself before typing here. Okay?
Shah is the same person who approved Mossadiq nomination for prime ministership, and is the same person who approved his discharge; both following the Iran then constitution. Is it difficult to understand that Shah and his army were above him with respect to power chart in Iranian government then, and discharging a lower rank person is not called Coup!
The aftermath of what Mossadiq did is what Iran has been suffering since then:
1- Freedom of speech is banned by government
2- No one - from normal citizens of course - knows how much oil is really sold each year and how the incomes gained from it is spent
3- Government spies on its own citizens
4- Government puppets chant “death to” in streets, and wildly demonstrate in the streets on different occasions, damaging banks, public transportation systems, etc. Exactly what Mossadiq’s gangs and rabbles initiated in Iran history!
5- Election has lost its meaning, and has become a fake show
6- ...

Before Mossadiq chaos, Iranians used to respect their monarchy and governments, even if they did not like them. Mossadiq launched a new era in the history of IRAN after which hatred and mistrust governed the relationship between the citizens and the government. Unfortunately, Shah had a low Political I.Q. and of course with a grain of dictatorship salt in his blood - common to all of us - and could not detect the plot behind what Mossadiq did. The whole plot was - as I mentioned earlier - to change the political and economical life of Iran onto a chaotic situation as it is now. Of course Mossadig was only an agent in this plot who did what he was supposed to do.

Now that is some serious propaganda that would make even North Korean government laugh.