I don't consider Trump worth sending a message to, we won't negotiate with U.S.

[Kastor]

I have no problem with the idea of keeping lines open even I think SL should have responded Trump for 2 reasons drawing our red lines & secondly as diplomatic gesture but I am not policy maker over here .. on the other hands who are other people in the administration that do not share Trump/Bolton/Pompeo's mindset??
Furthermore dialogue needs a base which is int law that has been violated by american left & right not only by current but by all american admins .. so how are you planing to talk with them when there is no basis?

There is literally an army of professional diplomats who are secretly trying to slow down Pompeo and Bolton. Heck McMaster, Tillerson and even to some degree Mattis had to resign over all the disagreements with Pompeo and Bolton.

There is literally an army of professional diplomats who are secretly trying to slow down Pompeo and Bolton. Heck McMaster, Tillerson and even to some degree Mattis had to resign over all the disagreements with Pompeo and Bolton.

Thanks for at least thinking keeping the lines open is a good idea, I realize you're not a policy maker, perhaps neither should be an old man that has very little strategic policy experience.

 

[Englishman]

If you listen carefully to what the Iranians say - not the headlines purported by the Zionists- the Iranians make sense and are allot more rational.

 

[Rafi]

Yeh aap kaa pesha hoo gaa, mera nahin.

I highlighted the bigger picture here (as a neutral observer). Iran was doing really well under Shah's rule, but Iranians chose to throw Shah out and the country at large adopted an anti-American geopolitical posture in the Middle East.

So why complain now? You reap what you sow. Americans are done with Iraq and will give Iran a much harder time now, they do not forget and forgive so easily.

Nobody forced Iran to turn anti-US. You try to challenge a superpower, you better be ready to face the music then.

You seem to be an apologist for the US, of you consider them your God that is your choice. You do love to rim them though.

 

[Arminkh]

I suggest you play smart , all this racket is making you look like bad guys and US as a hero ... play some games with US , don't give a straight "NO"

hmmm.... they signed an agreement with us and then breached it. Has it already been forgotten? Are we the bad guys or the one who disrespects his own signature?

I'm not convinced turning your back just because someone wronged you is also the correct measure......we need to keep the dialogue open to the other people in the administration that do not share Trump/Bolton/Pompeo's mindset. We need to always keep the lines open...turning your back like a woman scorned is childish, there is no room for it in mature diplomacy.

What did North Korea gain out of dialogue? What did Iran gain out of dialogue? Unlike what you say, it is not all about diplomacy. This back and forth of sanctions, one day there is sanctions and one day there isn't or it may be removed, has a devastating effect on Iran's economy. It creates uncertainty as people can't make a decision about what they want to do. If you know the sanctions are there to stay, then you would plan accordingly but having this hope of maybe it is removed tomorrow, will stop you and put you in suspense mode. This is exactly what US is trying to do keep people in suspense. It is a psychological war. And now that it has used all its economic weapons and there is nothing more to create uncertainty with, it is trying to do the same with threatening Iran with war or moving its assets to the region or blowing up tankers every now and then and blame it on Iran.

I think Iran is doing the right thing. It is signaling Iranians that they current situation will not change, so they need to adapt and adjust and built their economy accordingly.

 

[mohsen]

Trump's message :
View attachment 564952

LOL, he really put Trump's message under his a$$!

U.S has started a war against Iran which directly targets the civilians, it's called terrorism.
so Iran preserves the right to answer in anywhere, anytime and in any form against U.S and any country which wants to cooperate with U.S.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I think both countries needs to soften their hard-line opinion of the each others country . I know America will not Talk to Iran as long as the Jewish Lobby is strong in Congress , Iran is no Threat to America the only reason America has issues with Iran is because of Israel and KSA . If Iranians are slave to their Ayatullah's , Americans are slave to that Jewish Lobby that more powerful than one can imagine .

 

[Kastor]

I think both countries needs to soften their hard-line opinion of the each others country . I know America will not Talk to Iran as long as the Jewish Lobby is strong in Congress , Iran is no Threat to America the only reason America has issues with Iran is because of Israel and KSA . If Iranians are slave to their Ayatullah's , Americans are slave to that Jewish Lobby that more powerful than one can imagine .

Also the only reason things are as bad as they are is no other than Mr. Kushner

 

[YeBeWarned]

Also the only reason things are as bad as they are is no other than Mr. Kushner

Of course his loyalty lies with the Jewish state .. rather than America .

 

[JohnWick]

Of course his loyalty lies with the Jewish state .. rather than America .

 

[LeGenD]

You seem to be an apologist for the US, of you consider them your God that is your choice. You do love to rim them though.

You seem to be an apologist for Iran then.

Look, my point is that Iran is not smart in its geopolitics. Is it wise to adopt an anti-US posture for long-term given its power?

Disagreements with US? Understandable

Opposing US for long-term? Well, the clock is ticking....

And no, my emaan is not weak to the point of believing in worldy Gods (there are none) but one must have common sense when not being the biggest fish in the pond.

hmmm.... they signed an agreement with us and then breached it. Has it already been forgotten? Are we the bad guys or the one who disrespects his own signature?


What did North Korea gain out of dialogue? What did Iran gain out of dialogue? Unlike what you say, it is not all about diplomacy. This back and forth of sanctions, one day there is sanctions and one day there isn't or it may be removed, has a devastating effect on Iran's economy. It creates uncertainty as people can't make a decision about what they want to do. If you know the sanctions are there to stay, then you would plan accordingly but having this hope of maybe it is removed tomorrow, will stop you and put you in suspense mode. This is exactly what US is trying to do keep people in suspense. It is a psychological war. And now that it has used all its economic weapons and there is nothing more to create uncertainty with, it is trying to do the same with threatening Iran with war or moving its assets to the region or blowing up tankers every now and then and blame it on Iran.

I think Iran is doing the right thing. It is signaling Iranians that they current situation will not change, so they need to adapt and adjust and built their economy accordingly.

Iranian geopolitics at a glance.

Now you understand the problem, or shall I dig a bit deeper for you to get the memo?

I will leave a major hint: Syria.

You guys accuse others for being mischievous but you guys are equally/more mischievous under the table in reality. Pot calling the Kettle black.

Strange people are those whom bow ... not everyone is courage enough to say the king is naked ...

See above.

Anglosaxians have a habit and a long history to colonize. We don’t have a stomach for it. If you like it, then by all means ENJOY! Slavery is not an option for us!

What about Persian conquests and/or subjugations through the ages?

FYI: https://www.ancient.eu/timeline/Persia/

Slavery is not the point here, nobody will request your country to be a slave of the WEST (sovereignty is important to uphold), but lack of rational geopolitics in the case of post-Shah Iran is a valid critic. See my responses to other members above.

 

[Arminkh]

You seem to be an apologist for Iran then.

Look, my point is that Iran is not smart in its geopolitics. Is it wise to adopt an anti-US posture for long-term given its power?

Disagreements with US? Understandable

Opposing US for long-term? Well, the clock is ticking....

And no, my emaan is not weak to the point of believing in worldy Gods (there are none) but one must have common sense when not being the biggest fish in the pond.


Iranian geopolitics at a glance.

Now you understand the problem, or shall I dig a bit deeper for you to get the memo?

I will leave a major hint: Syria.

You guys accuse others for being mischievous but you guys are equally/more mischievous under the table in reality. Pot calling the Kettle black.


See above.


What about Persian conquests and/or subjugations through the ages?

FYI: https://www.ancient.eu/timeline/Persia/

Slavery is not the point here, nobody will request your country to be a slave of the WEST (sovereignty is important to uphold), but lack of rational geopolitics in the case of post-Shah Iran is a valid critic. See my responses to other members above.

Not sure what the problem is with the table you posted? That Iran is allied with Hezbollah? Yes we knew that. So What? One can draw a similar chart for any country that is an actor and not only an audience.

 

[zartosht]

Khamenei has had that EXACT couch for his foreign heads of state meetings since I can remember... cheap looking furniture and room

look at the contrasting styles though between him and the Saudi monarchy. they go out of their way to display wealth, he goes out of his way to display modesty.

 

[I.R.A]

"We oppose nuclear weapons, and we have issued a religious fatwa (verdicts) prohibiting building nuclear weapons. But rest assured that if we wanted to build nuclear weapons, the U.S. would not be able to do anything about it, and the United States’ prohibition would not be an obstacle."

What the actual ............ did he really say this? And is there an actual fatwa issued on this?

I am still trying to figure out what I have read here, not only these lines, but the whole of the article or piece or fantasy or childish rants ...... whatever it is. Just consider this fatwa thing here ........ this is some serious stupidity. The non Muslim world doesn't care about your fatwas and stop making it public, you are making it hard for other Muslim countries .......

@M. Sarmad

Ayatollah Khamenei then responded to remarks by the Japanese Prime Minister on how the Americans have always wanted to impose their own beliefs and views on other nations and stated: It is good that you acknowledge this fact, and you should also know that the Americans will observe no limits in imposing their views.

Again I don't believe Japanese Prime Minister would say such a thing about Americans to another head of state or rep ......

 

[SubWater]

The best answer.
I don't know how and why we should trust Americans. They won't stand on their words.

We should not repeat same mistake twice.

 

[Sina-1]

What about Persian conquests and/or subjugations through the ages?

Anglos took that to another level completely by masterminding ethnics wedges between various groups in a country and then let one rule over the other(s). Creating unrest and destabilization which was perfect for indirect ruling. Your country is a direct result of that game. You’ve been played!

Slavery is not the point here, nobody will request your country to be a slave of the WEST (sovereignty is important to uphold), but lack of rational geopolitics in the case of post-Shah Iran is a valid critic. See my responses to other members above.

Actually slavery IS the point here. Like it or not, all countries in the ME, except for IRI, are minions to the US. No amount of chess beating will alter that fact. And it’s not only in our region. Even economic powerhouses like japan and South Korea are US minions.

The problem with being a minion in the ME is that they are on a tight leash. The most energy tense region must be secured no matter the cost. And the cheapest way is by upholding status quo: the energy producing states keep selling energy at a cheap price and the heavy populated states assist with their cheap labor. All that money generated is spent to buy useless commodities from their masters, such as weapons that will become effectively obsolete the second the master turns his back to you.

You like to mention Shah. Parts of me will always like him. His passion for Iran was undeniable. But ultimately, he was a tool. Iran couldn’t even produce the most simple components during the imposed war due to his policies and all amazing toys we had became useless until, out of necessity, we figured out how to.

In conclusion, entire countries are prisoners and SLAVES to help secure energy. Iran is hated because she refuses to participate.