Huge Explosion in Islamabad

[Scorpius]

What is the solution of the problem? You do realize that the "Tribal Taliban" will only be satisfied if they are allowed complete freedom to do two things:

1. Freedom to carry out their twisted "Jihad" against the "Infidels" in Afghanistan.

2. Freedom to impose their own version of Islam ala Afghani Taliban in Pakistan.

How can any government accede to those demands? Explain that to me please. What do you think the repercussions would be if the government did accede?

Time ran out a long time ago. The two alternatives are to face the bloodshed that will ensue, but wipe off this blot of extremism from the face of the earth, or face the bloodshed that will ensue as the extremists are allowed to create another Talibanistic regime in Pakistan.

It's a lose lose the way I see it. But its more honorable to die fighting for the rule of law, freedom and equality instead of bowing our heads in front of the monster of extremism, intolerance, bigotry and backwardness that these Mullah's would have us adopt under the guise of "Shariat".

The only "sane" or "middle of the road" option that existed was the one Musharraf did try; the agreements with the taliban in Waziristan, the free reign given to the more extreme practitioners of Islam. Do you remember what ever happened to the thugs from the MMA who were arrested after they assaulted women and children and prevented them from running in the mixed marathon? They were all let go I believe. We have been living this lie for a long time. Hoping against hope that somehow it would be possible to coexist with these extremists. It isn't. They will not tolerate anything but their obscurantist, bigoted system.

These people criticize Musharraf, and the moderates, for being "anti-Islam". What has he done or advocated that is so "anti-Islam"? Has he stopped people from praying? has he stopped people from growing beards? Has he stopped women from wearing headscarf's or veils? Has he banned the Quran? Has he prevented people from not educating their daughters? No. The Mullahs on the other hand, don't give a hoot about the desires of those pakistanis (also in the millions) who would rather not grow a beard; who would rather not wear a headscarf; who would rather not pray.

The side that claims to represents "Islam" right now, is advocating an ideology not very different from fascism. And while moderates will tolerate an equitable "Islamic Pakistan", we will not tolerate a "Islamofascist Pakistan" (There now, you have made me use a phrase from the Western Media that I detest)

You know what, if the Taliban were not so "anti-image" or "anti-idol", I bet we would have seen something similar to the "running of the Jew" scene that Borat used to caricature the antisemitism in some societies.

Excellent post, saved me from typing stuff out. The way you express yourself and your points is spot on.

 

[Cheetah786]

This is not the solution of the problem. Come face the reality unfolding there. Be honest to solve it peacefully. Time still there otherwise if the govt takes any wrong step any more it will be fatal. Musharraf's honour is nothing in front of stability in Pakistan, its Islamic character and its unity and integrity.

lets get one thing straight.jungali people are extremely lucky that musharaf is not a dictator.
let me ref raise that
if i were in position as musharaf is for every suicide bombing i would take out 2 villages.without warning.shoot to kill orders any body entering and leaving areas total blockade of goods coming in and out of area.no more free electricity or gas.
these jungalies would bent with in few days.

Musharaf listen to these idiots and signed agreement.thats is being seen as sign of weakness negotiating with lal masjid was seen as weakness.if Musharaf is serious and want to make sure these dogs understand who is holding the bone.time for talks have long passed nothing but bullets and bombs.no jirga no elders no nothing complete surrender absolute no compromise.
kbagdadi aren't you from Bangladeshi.

 

[joey]

Peoples who claims musharaff to be problematic (i'll speak with pakistani POV here) does not have a clue, or a little intellectual hindsight to think deep.

Self correcting Society needs to be nurtured, sudden democracy with groups led into anarchy will see a clash of discourse among political leadership, a dictator a good one is indeed the one who can bring solution to this.

Peoples who think there is no discourse in democracy is de-ilulsioned, for even in US the every concept of democracy i.e. assimilation of political thoughts to take the bubble of truth higher wont work without a stable society and pre-ampt leadership to deal with in place first.

 

[Adux]

let me ref raise that
if i were in position as musharaf is for every suicide bombing i would take out 2 villages.without warning.shoot to kill orders any body entering and leaving areas total blockade of goods coming in and out of area.no more free electricity or gas.
these jungalies would bent with in few days.

Lead me O' Leader

 

[KashifAsrar]

ToI feed, dated 18th July 2007.
Kashif

13 killed in Islamabad, Mush mulls emergency

Islamabad: An apparent suicide bomb attack killed 13 people outside a court in the Pakistani capital on Tuesday where the country’s suspended chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was due to speak, police and officials said. The blast went off about 30 metres from a stage that had been set up in a car park in a market area outside the court.
Chaudhry had not arrived to speak to lawyers at the time of the blast, witnesses said. “I saw body parts and limbs scattered all over the place,” said lawyer Chaudhry Manzoor Ahmed. City police chief Iftikhar Ahmed said the blast appeared to have been caused by a suicide bomber.
The explosion occurred at a stall set up by the opposition PPP of former PM Benazir Bhutto, witnesses said.
The Pakistan government is mulling the option of imposing an emergency in the country to deal with the violent backlash from militants after the bloody crackdown on the Lal Masjid, media reports said. AGENCIES

 

[bobloblaw]

lets get one thing straight.jungali people are extremely lucky that musharaf is not a dictator.
let me ref raise that
if i were in position as musharaf is for every suicide bombing i would take out 2 villages.without warning.shoot to kill orders any body entering and leaving areas total blockade of goods coming in and out of area.no more free electricity or gas.
these jungalies would bent with in few days.

Musharaf listen to these idiots and signed agreement.thats is being seen as sign of weakness negotiating with lal masjid was seen as weakness.if Musharaf is serious and want to make sure these dogs understand who is holding the bone.time for talks have long passed nothing but bullets and bombs.no jirga no elders no nothing complete surrender absolute no compromise.
kbagdadi aren't you from Bangladeshi.

couldnt have said it better myself
even though i am a pathan myself, i think those people need to be taught a lesson...they're too proud of themselves

 

[roadrunner]

You are correct. With all those security measures in place, how on earth could a bomber get in. Wait a second! Didnt a suicide bomber get into the Green Zone in Baghdad and then into the cafeteria of the Iraqi legislators? That too with the most advanced military in the world guarding the place? Aha !! I knew it. The Americans are deliberately trying to lose in Iraq and blowing up their allies and soldiers. Those devious Amreki
Musharraf is obviously taking a page out of the American book....

lol, dude this is terd world conspiracy theories. You should know that the reason NS was shunted out of power was actually because of his devilish farts during cabinet meetings. All this Musharraf being trapped in the sky, not being allowed permission to get into Pakistan is BOGUS

 

[roadrunner]

What is the solution of the problem? You do realize that the "Tribal Taliban" will only be satisfied if they are allowed complete freedom to do two things:

1. Freedom to carry out their twisted "Jihad" against the "Infidels" in Afghanistan.

2. Freedom to impose their own version of Islam ala Afghani Taliban in Pakistan.

How can any government accede to those demands? Explain that to me please. What do you think the repercussions would be if the government did accede?

Time ran out a long time ago. The two alternatives are to face the bloodshed that will ensue, but wipe off this blot of extremism from the face of the earth, or face the bloodshed that will ensue as the extremists are allowed to create another Talibanistic regime in Pakistan.

It's a lose lose the way I see it. But its more honorable to die fighting for the rule of law, freedom and equality instead of bowing our heads in front of the monster of extremism, intolerance, bigotry and backwardness that these Mullah's would have us adopt under the guise of "Shariat".

The only "sane" or "middle of the road" option that existed was the one Musharraf did try; the agreements with the taliban in Waziristan, the free reign given to the more extreme practitioners of Islam. Do you remember what ever happened to the thugs from the MMA who were arrested after they assaulted women and children and prevented them from running in the mixed marathon? They were all let go I believe. We have been living this lie for a long time. Hoping against hope that somehow it would be possible to coexist with these extremists. It isn't. They will not tolerate anything but their obscurantist, bigoted system.

These people criticize Musharraf, and the moderates, for being "anti-Islam". What has he done or advocated that is so "anti-Islam"? Has he stopped people from praying? has he stopped people from growing beards? Has he stopped women from wearing headscarf's or veils? Has he banned the Quran? Has he prevented people from not educating their daughters? No. The Mullahs on the other hand, don't give a hoot about the desires of those pakistanis (also in the millions) who would rather not grow a beard; who would rather not wear a headscarf; who would rather not pray.

The side that claims to represents "Islam" right now, is advocating an ideology not very different from fascism. And while moderates will tolerate an equitable "Islamic Pakistan", we will not tolerate a "Islamofascist Pakistan" (There now, you have made me use a phrase from the Western Media that I detest)

You know what, if the Taliban were not so "anti-image" or "anti-idol", I bet we would have seen something similar to the "running of the Jew" scene that Borat used to caricature the antisemitism in some societies.

I agree with most of this, except your first two points. I think America is messing up Afghanistan. It'll leave sooner or later. The mess created by the radicalization during Soviet times cannot be cleared up by military means. Military methods will just radicalize more people, as does the American presence. The solution lies with the people. Somehow they have to de-radicalize themselves. The only way to do this I think is development, but the presence of Americans isn't going to help. The support for Karzai is also a big negative, and the infestation of the Afghan government with Northern Alliance is another bad point. There needs to be a big change, and less foreign influence in Afghanistan, more money poured in, I would say peace keepers from some friendly Muslim country, and it'd get rid of the problem. But the Taliban is an Afghan problem.The Pakistani Taliban are a different group of people.