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This is a thread under discussion in another "Pakistani defence forum with some interesting question"... Im trying to take the views from each other regarding Pakistan's stability and security under the present world situations:

The stage seems to be set to blame Pakistan and the ISI for the next false flag terrorist attack. We need to start thinking about how we'll deal with it.

The current crusades were launched after the false flag on America (911) was blamed on Muslims. No proof has yet been presented to justify American claims. In fact, a hundred questions about it still remain unanswered. Unfortunately no Muslim country has officially challenged the official American version of the event so the general belief still prevails that Muslims were to blame for it and every single Muslim in the world is somehow guilty.

Later the British, Australians, Spanish also arranged attacks on themselves to join the American crusade. Lastly the Indians did the Bombay drama and blamed Pakistan and the Pakistan government has never properly challenged the Indian accusation.

Now the stage has been set for the next event. Hilary Clinton has said that the next attack on America will come from Pakistan and the American Military Chief has said that the next attack on India will come from Pakistan. The ISI has been demonized and the WikiLeaks have pinned the blame on the ISI for the American defeat in Afghanistan. The Western public mind has been prepared to blame Pakistan just like OBL was demonized before 911 so that when it was executed the American media blamed OBL while 911 was still going on. It is easy to visualize the next terrorist attack during which the TV channels will be blaming Pakistan, ISI, LeT as the event is happening.

We need to get our strategy right on how we will deal with the next big one.

1) Will it be in America or India?
2) Will Pakistan be given any time to respond or will it come under attack immediately. The Indian cold start doctrine might come into play.
3) Will Zardari accept the blame or will Pakistan call it a false flag?
4) How will the Pakistani media handle it? Their performance till now has been pathetic and a lot of the media have business deals with the US and India.
5) Will Pakistan be given an ultimatum to surrender like Musharraf was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age?
6) Will Pakistan give in or stand its ground?
7) Will Pakistan accept American/Indian bombing of its territory in order to avoid a full scale war?
8) Will Pakistan start attacking the Afghan Taliban in order to avoid being bombed?
9) If Pakistan stands up to American/Indian threats what will be the consequence?
10) Will the Americans be able to take control of Pakistan's nukes or at least render them in-operational while India attacks without fear?
11) Will Pakistan shut down the American supply routes?
12) Will the Americans try to occupy Baluchistan to restore supply lines?
13) Will the American-backed TTP start a massive suicide bombing campaign in Pakistan?
14) Will American forces enter Pakistan? From Afghanistan or the sea?
15) Will the Pakistan military fire on the Americans or will they fight with India while still treating America as a dear old friend?
16) Will Blackwater do large scale sabotage inside Pakistan?
17) Will the CIA-backed Zardari be eliminated or not?
18) What will be the outcome?

Another possibility is that the idea of a false-flag to be blamed on Pakistan is just a tactic to scare Pakistan into doing what the enemies want and in reality they have no plan to actually do it. By just making it seem like they'll do it they may be able to coerce Pakistan into bending to their wishes.

The reason to believe that they'll actually do it is that American cannot leave without finishing the job within Pakistan, and that job is to de-nuke it. That is the reasons the Americans are in Afghanistan and they WILL NOT go before this job is done. For years they've tried to destroy Pakistan internally by regime change, economic collapse, suicide bombings, BLA, TTP, Zardari etc but Pakistan is still standing. The Yugoslavia doctrine has so far failed to work in Pakistan. According to their calculations Pakistan should have collapsed by now but since it hasn't they may need to do a direct attack.

From India's perspective this is the golden opportunity that they could only dream about. The Americans and NATO sitting in Afghanistan ready to help India finish off Pakistan. They will never get this opportunity again so they have to take the risk now. They must have been assured by the Americans about suppressing the nukes.
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Its not if it happens but when it happens ... and when it does ... India cannot dare to do any surgical operation because that will lead to an all out war the consequences of which will be the S Asia will be a quiet neighbourhood for a few decades.
 
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26/11 was done by elements in Pakistan the whole world know this and also the afgan indian embassy was attacked by ISI rogue elements just ask CIA they the ones who leaked it out.
 
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You have opened my eyes!!!

9/11 was a zionist conspiracy.

26/11 was a RAW + CIA + Mossad conspiracy.

The Madrid bombings didn't happen, they just dressed up dummies, splashed some tomato ketchup and took pictures.

Pakistan is an innocent country that kinda got caught in the crossfire, they have NEVER funded or supported ANY terror activities.

Next time there is an attack on Indian soil, we''ll storm the RAW HQ, drag out all the spooks and lynch them.

And send a bouquet of roses to ISI HQ.

Thanks for opening all our eyes.
 
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You have opened my eyes!!!

9/11 was a zionist conspiracy.

26/11 was a RAW + CIA + Mossad conspiracy.

The Madrid bombings didn't happen, they just dressed up dummies, splashed some tomato ketchup and took pictures.

Pakistan is an innocent country that kinda got caught in the crossfire, they have NEVER funded or supported ANY terror activities.

Next time there is an attack on Indian soil, we''ll storm the RAW HQ, drag out all the spooks and lynch them.

And send a bouquet of roses to ISI HQ.

Thanks for opening all our eyes.

shukar hai kisi ki to ankhain:yahoo: khuli :rofl::rofl:
 
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26/11 was done by elements in Pakistan the whole world know this and also the afgan indian embassy was attacked by ISI rogue elements just ask CIA they the ones who leaked it out.

Mr amit atleast put your one flag as indian flag don't be ashamed or mr gora lol that was on a lighter note, Oh god when will these innocent indian members will get this!!!!! is it dumb of playing dumb for a reason. Wikileak doc are called by it's very own founder as politicized information for political use, those are into intel instead its information, so let's say. those doc are like this, raw has a informant who is a civilian from afganistan, which is hired by raw or CIA or afghan intel agency! this guy is getting paid and has no loyalty other then $. now these reports say like this. as what we believe strongly that Pakistan is behind indian embassy attack in kabul since Pakistani army was seing around the boarder right before the attack with unusual movement with makes us doubt that they must have some hand in it." now those informants BELIEVE this without any proof!!!!!!!! Go read those reports before accusing anyone. All these are exemptions. All those reports are full or doubts rather proof! These are the same information which made india believe ISI is behind kabul bombing, now since they are on public, everyone is jumping on it. Another reason that Pakistan is taking more heat is because out of 92000 reports 12-20 of them talk about Pakistan and taliban issue but rest talk about regarding US failing in afganistan, US killing innocent people including reporters of the press and funny part is those reports are based on reality coz most of the reports has links of video of actual attacks on those people by us drones and helicopters. Now definatly everyone wants to avoid those mass killing so why not blame Pakistan for those doubtful reports and make a fiuzz about it! If people have brain im sure they will think about it this way aswell or read the reports instead of listening to media and getting workedup go to wikileak.org and check it yourself before open your mouth on Pakistan. I'm sure after reading those many reports you will say WTF is that.and the picture will be clear. definatly Nato forces want to shift world attention to Pak/India/afghanistan then them!!! :hitwall::usflag::pakistan::china:

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shukar hai kisi ki to ankhain:yahoo: khuli :rofl::rofl:

don't inflame brother!
 
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Its easy to create lies / propoganda and make people belive them. However the blood spilled will be of innocents be it Indian or Pakistani. The common people should rise against these war maniac government. An average citizen has no intrest in war.
 
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Mr amit atleast put your one flag as indian flag don't be ashamed or mr gora lol that was on a lighter note, Oh god when will these innocent indian members will get this!!!!! is it dumb of playing dumb for a reason. Wikileak doc are called by it's very own founder as politicized information for political use, those are into intel instead its information, so let's say. those doc are like this, raw has a informant who is a civilian from afganistan, which is hired by raw or CIA or afghan intel agency! this guy is getting paid and has no loyalty other then $. now these reports say like this. as what we believe strongly that Pakistan is behind indian embassy attack in kabul since Pakistani army was seing around the boarder right before the attack with unusual movement with makes us doubt that they must have some hand in it." now those informants BELIEVE this without any proof!!!!!!!! Go read those reports before accusing anyone. All these are exemptions. All those reports are full or doubts rather proof! These are the same information which made india believe ISI is behind kabul bombing, now since they are on public, everyone is jumping on it. Another reason that Pakistan is taking more heat is because out of 92000 reports 12-20 of them talk about Pakistan and taliban issue but rest talk about regarding US failing in afganistan, US killing innocent people including reporters of the press and funny part is those reports are based on reality coz most of the reports has links of video of actual attacks on those people by us drones and helicopters. Now definatly everyone wants to avoid those mass killing so why not blame Pakistan for those doubtful reports and make a fiuzz about it! If people have brain im sure they will think about it this way aswell or read the reports instead of listening to media and getting workedup go to wikileak.org and check it yourself before open your mouth on Pakistan. I'm sure after reading those many reports you will say WTF is that.and the picture will be clear. definatly Nato forces want to shift world attention to Pak/India/afghanistan then them!!! :hitwall::usflag::pakistan::china:

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don't inflame brother!



Im British born Indian why i need Indian flag when i dont have Indian passport u tell me?

Im not talking about wiki links im speaking in regards to the kabul Indian embassy blast both RAW, CIA and Afgan security agencies said ISI was behind the blast but i guess they all most be wrong.
 
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This is a thread under discussion in another "Pakistani defence forum with some interesting question"... Im trying to take the views from each other regarding Pakistan's stability and security under the present world situations:

The stage seems to be set to blame Pakistan and the ISI for the next false flag terrorist attack. We need to start thinking about how we'll deal with it.

The current crusades were launched after the false flag on America (911) was blamed on Muslims. No proof has yet been presented to justify American claims. In fact, a hundred questions about it still remain unanswered. Unfortunately no Muslim country has officially challenged the official American version of the event so the general belief still prevails that Muslims were to blame for it and every single Muslim in the world is somehow guilty.

Later the British, Australians, Spanish also arranged attacks on themselves to join the American crusade. Lastly the Indians did the Bombay drama and blamed Pakistan and the Pakistan government has never properly challenged the Indian accusation.

Now the stage has been set for the next event. Hilary Clinton has said that the next attack on America will come from Pakistan and the American Military Chief has said that the next attack on India will come from Pakistan. The ISI has been demonized and the WikiLeaks have pinned the blame on the ISI for the American defeat in Afghanistan. The Western public mind has been prepared to blame Pakistan just like OBL was demonized before 911 so that when it was executed the American media blamed OBL while 911 was still going on. It is easy to visualize the next terrorist attack during which the TV channels will be blaming Pakistan, ISI, LeT as the event is happening.

We need to get our strategy right on how we will deal with the next big one.

1) Will it be in America or India?
2) Will Pakistan be given any time to respond or will it come under attack immediately. The Indian cold start doctrine might come into play.
3) Will Zardari accept the blame or will Pakistan call it a false flag?
4) How will the Pakistani media handle it? Their performance till now has been pathetic and a lot of the media have business deals with the US and India.
5) Will Pakistan be given an ultimatum to surrender like Musharraf was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age?
6) Will Pakistan give in or stand its ground?
7) Will Pakistan accept American/Indian bombing of its territory in order to avoid a full scale war?
8) Will Pakistan start attacking the Afghan Taliban in order to avoid being bombed?
9) If Pakistan stands up to American/Indian threats what will be the consequence?
10) Will the Americans be able to take control of Pakistan's nukes or at least render them in-operational while India attacks without fear?
11) Will Pakistan shut down the American supply routes?
12) Will the Americans try to occupy Baluchistan to restore supply lines?
13) Will the American-backed TTP start a massive suicide bombing campaign in Pakistan?
14) Will American forces enter Pakistan? From Afghanistan or the sea?
15) Will the Pakistan military fire on the Americans or will they fight with India while still treating America as a dear old friend?
16) Will Blackwater do large scale sabotage inside Pakistan?
17) Will the CIA-backed Zardari be eliminated or not?
18) What will be the outcome?

Another possibility is that the idea of a false-flag to be blamed on Pakistan is just a tactic to scare Pakistan into doing what the enemies want and in reality they have no plan to actually do it. By just making it seem like they'll do it they may be able to coerce Pakistan into bending to their wishes.

The reason to believe that they'll actually do it is that American cannot leave without finishing the job within Pakistan, and that job is to de-nuke it. That is the reasons the Americans are in Afghanistan and they WILL NOT go before this job is done. For years they've tried to destroy Pakistan internally by regime change, economic collapse, suicide bombings, BLA, TTP, Zardari etc but Pakistan is still standing. The Yugoslavia doctrine has so far failed to work in Pakistan. According to their calculations Pakistan should have collapsed by now but since it hasn't they may need to do a direct attack.

From India's perspective this is the golden opportunity that they could only dream about. The Americans and NATO sitting in Afghanistan ready to help India finish off Pakistan. They will never get this opportunity again so they have to take the risk now. They must have been assured by the Americans about suppressing the nukes.
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Centerfresh = Dimag Ki Batti Jala De :cheesy:

2 x reference to "terrorist". Both to certify that US, Spanish, UK, French, Indians are all tying bombs to their people, their buildings, their trains etc. and blowing them apart. No reference to terrorism in Pakistan.

No reference to evil Israel :blink: not even a single one.

ISI = Heroic organization.
Pakistan Army = Heroic organization.
Pakistan Civilian Government = Only Zardari = Totall sold out (mentioned at one place next to BLA, TTP and also "attempts at regime change in Pakistan" :rofl: that coming from a nation where sone or the other general has ruled for almost all of the nation's lifetime.
2 x reference to American supply route (reminders). & finally something without which any propaganda piece idolizing the Pakitani Army cannot be complete = 2 x references to the Nooks. One with the fear that US will try to denook Pakistan and another a friendly reminder that Pakistan has nooks on it.

The details of the story will follow in = In the line of Fire. V2.
 
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Centerfresh = Dimag Ki Batti Jala De :cheesy:

2 x reference to "terrorist". Both to certify that US, Spanish, UK, French, Indians are all tying bombs to their people, their buildings, their trains etc. and blowing them apart. No reference to terrorism in Pakistan.

No reference to evil Israel :blink: not even a single one.

ISI = Heroic organization.
Pakistan Army = Heroic organization.
Pakistan Civilian Government = Only Zardari = Totall sold out (mentioned at one place next to BLA, TTP and also "attempts at regime change in Pakistan" :rofl: that coming from a nation where sone or the other general has ruled for almost all of the nation's lifetime.
2 x reference to American supply route (reminders). & finally something without which any propaganda piece idolizing the Pakitani Army cannot be complete = 2 x references to the Nooks. One with the fear that US will try to denook Pakistan and another a friendly reminder that Pakistan has nooks on it.

The details of the story will follow in = In the line of Fire. V2.

as said by chandambaram in recent peace dialogues i should say its our internal matter
 
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as said by chandambaram in recent peace dialogues i should say its our internal matter

Neither would I say that otherwise or has Mr.Chidambaram, or even other leaders of the world who are in fact saying that this is actually a Pakistan problem.

The only thing is that there was no reference to that internal problem/matter of Pakistan in this small propaganda piece = By the Pakistani Army, of the Pakistani Army & For the Pakistani Army.

Truly internal everything. Yeh wakayi andar ki baat hai :cheesy:

Kyaa Nee Storm Seeker Bhai? Maza mein cho??
 
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Im British born Indian why i need Indian flag when i dont have Indian passport u tell me?

Im not talking about wiki links im speaking in regards to the kabul Indian embassy blast both RAW, CIA and Afgan security agencies said ISI was behind the blast but i guess they all most be wrong.

two flags means that which two counties we belong to or loyal to! second. Yes you are right CIA,RAW,AFGHAN agencies pointed fingers at Pakistan on the very base of these reports from informants!!!!! This is why no one took action beside cry for couple of days! Those reports were based on these same informants! It wasn't that CIA investigated and said it was Pakistan. Please google that incident and read more then one report on it. Please no indian media coz its natural for being bias about that kind of stuff since its their country! We people just have short memories, this is why even OBAMA said all thoese reports are old and we knew about it, There weren't any actionable intel rather then information through informants!
 
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There is no such thing as Red Flag.While i oppose any operation within Pakistan by any country - This is not going stick for so long.We need to either control Jihadis and make them pro western so they don't attack US or any other country and eventually eliminate these snakes because so long as we allow others to control our territory (FATA) people will blame us and rigtfully so.
 
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You have opened my eyes!!!

9/11 was a zionist conspiracy.

26/11 was a RAW + CIA + Mossad conspiracy.

The Madrid bombings didn't happen, they just dressed up dummies, splashed some tomato ketchup and took pictures.

Pakistan is an innocent country that kinda got caught in the crossfire, they have NEVER funded or supported ANY terror activities.

Next time there is an attack on Indian soil, we''ll storm the RAW HQ, drag out all the spooks and lynch them.

And send a bouquet of roses to ISI HQ.

Thanks for opening all our eyes.

If u really mean what u said above....that will be a great favor to India/Pak and the whole of the humanity...We will not be made scapegoats so easily in future. It is really the time to wakeup and be vigilant on our sorroundingz dont believe about any official stories....Cuz if officials were sincere they would have left their seats or govts soon after their failures(for providing security to their public) but they didnt this makes them suspicious of playing underhand games. Using or killing their own pplz to gather their political gains domestic and international.
Guyz we gtta wakeup..we should not allow our politicians to play with our lives. Islam is very peaceful religion,was and will be no questions asked about it. We r not going to let anybody to use the name of Islam for any evil activity and gains no matter what and we r going to follow those evil pplz to the evry corner of the world and wipe them out of the face of the world soon inshallah...This should be our agenda and goal to save the humanity from evilz and bring peace for ever on this planet (everybody is most welcome to join this noble mission).
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