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How the Arab Spring Killed Hezbollah

Oh dear dear poster, you left Pakistan perhaps in the 50s and thus do not know the "real" divide between Shias and Sunnis. 1000s of Shias have been murdered by Sunnis, and you still say the lines are artificial. Do you really live on this earth of ours?

Many overseas Pakistanis live in this make-believe world of Islamist harmony where Mullahs of different faiths kiss each other and hug each others. May be this is your way of dealing with challenges in Canada. But come to Pakistan and see the realities please. With friends like Shia and Sunni Mullahs and Ayatullis, who need to invent the bogeyman enemies like Canada and America.


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You completely misunderstood his point.

We are all painfully aware of the infighting between Muslims. What we are suggesting is to encourage mutual understanding rather than feeding the Shia-Sunni, Arab-Iranian hatreds. The only ones who benefit from all this infighting are our enemies.
 
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You completely misunderstood his point.

We are all painfully aware of the infighting between Muslims. What we are suggesting is to encourage mutual understanding rather than feeding the Shia-Sunni, Arab-Iranian hatreds. The only ones who benefit from all this infighting are our enemies.

Who is the "we" you are referring to? :disagree:
 
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'We' as in many Muslims. Specifically, in this context, it means I agree with airmarshal about not inflaming shia-sunni tensions.

I agree on not inflaming.

But do you disagree with faujihistorian in the context of the thread?

Do you honestly believe that it is "your" enemies that have inflamed otherwise peaceful and congenial Iranian Arab relations?
 
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I agree on not inflaming.

But do you disagree with faujihistorian in the context of the thread?

Do you honestly believe that it is "your" enemies that have inflamed otherwise peaceful and congenial Iranian Arab relations?

airmarshal was addressing the OP about inflaming shia-sunni tensions and FaujHistorian launched into his irrelevant rant about sectarianism in Pakistan, which has nothing whatsoever to do with airmarshal's comment or this topic.
 
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What do you mean our ranks? This has nothing to do with Pakistanis or Muslims in general, this is a Middle Eastern cold war(we are winning BTW:wave:). Since 79, the region instantly & necessarily became sectarian. However, after Syria, everything will change. Wait and see.

i dont think its a good thing:confused:
 
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airmarshal was addressing the OP about inflaming shia-sunni tensions and FaujHistorian launched into his irrelevant rant about sectarianism in Pakistan, which has nothing whatsoever to do with airmarshal's comment or this topic.

I agree Pakistan has no locus standi either way here, if you discount the Ummah connect.

But the Hizbollah issue with relation to the Arab Spring (so called in retrospect) VERY MUCH IS a Sunni Shia thing.

Can you discount that at the cost of not inflaming?

Why discuss these issues at all in such a case?

I do not know how many years ago you left Pakistan.

I am not Muslim.

But while researching for one of the Iran-Zoroastrian battles (I think you were there too) I chanced upon a site called sunniforums.com

Man I have never been that shaken in my life.

That was the day I realized that we Indians have ZERO idea about what the Shia Sunni stuff really is.
 
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You completely misunderstood his point.

We are all painfully aware of the infighting between Muslims. What we are suggesting is to encourage mutual understanding rather than feeding the Shia-Sunni, Arab-Iranian hatreds. The only ones who benefit from all this infighting are our enemies.

Thank you for making it clear. This guy always assume things and then in his mind put them in your post and read his fantasies and the post together to give a very stupid and very despondent response. Totally out of sync with the meaning of the original post.
 
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I agree Pakistan has no locus standi either way here, if you discount the Ummah connect.

Only if you assume that religion is a prerequisite for caring about Palestinians.

But the Hizbollah issue with relation to the Arab Spring (so called in retrospect) VERY MUCH IS a Sunni Shia thing.

Again incorrect. If anything, it transcends the Shia-Sunni divide.

Hezbollah are Shia who are helping the Sunni Palestinian cause.

Man I have never been that shaken in my life.

Again, no one has denied that there are extremists with Shia and Sunnis. Our comment was that we should not encourage or condone such speech here.
 
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Only if you assume that religion is a prerequisite for caring about Palestinians.

Comes back to the question of "we" does it not then?

Again incorrect. If anything, it transcends the Shia-Sunni divide.

Hezbollah are Shia who are helping the Sunni Palestinian cause.

I am aware of who the Hizbulla are and who pulls their strings and why. The thread is not about Palestine, is it?

Again, no one has denied that there are extremists with Shia and Sunnis. Our comment was that we should not encourage or condone such speech here.

Agree. But the realities outside here are what are being discussed.

Which means if you want to discuss, and not touch on the core issue, you are indulging in light petting at best?
 
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I agree Pakistan has no locus standi either way here, if you discount the Ummah connect.

But the Hizbollah issue with relation to the Arab Spring (so called in retrospect) VERY MUCH IS a Sunni Shia thing.

Can you discount that at the cost of not inflaming?

Why discuss these issues at all in such a case?

I do not know how many years ago you left Pakistan.

I am not Muslim.

But while researching for one of the Iran-Zoroastrian battles (I think you were there too) I chanced upon a site called sunniforums.com

Man I have never been that shaken in my life.

That was the day I realized that we Indians have ZERO idea about what the Shia Sunni stuff really is.

Brilliant! and I did not even need to see it was Indian. Such pearls of wisdom only come from our next door neighbor.

You must have stumbled over an extremist site and how does that represent Muslim understanding of Shia or Sunni issue? I know what many Shias ssay about Sunnis but there is an extreme point of view everywhere.

And I ask all the knowledgeable people here? Aren't there divisions everywhere? Why differences among Muslims are highlighted? WHY?

As for you Indians! You are the nation where discrimination is the basis of your religious beliefs. You have so many insurmountable differences that if an effort is put to divide you, like it is being done to divide Muslims, you will be a fractious, bickering nation like no other.

You have dalits, brahmins and many other that I dont know ordained by your religious scriptures. you have many gods and if someone wants to make you guys fight, there are so many fissures in your society and religion that it will not be a very big effort.

I have studied in shia schools. My best friends are shias. Despite differences which are academic in nature, we get along very, very well.

Tell me one mainstream mullah on either side who does his politics or religion based on shia-sunni divide, the divide that only west and their cheerleader Indians see!
 
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Analyzing of that conflict can take a long time. However I assure you Hizboullah did absolutely nothing.

U.S. report: Hezbollah fought Israel better than any Arab army

U.S. Army War College document warns: American military must learn the lessons of Second Lebanon War.

A new report from the U.S. Army War College warns that the American military must learn the lessons of the Second Lebanon War, in which Hezbollah operated more like a conventional army than a guerrilla organization.

The report, "The 2006 Lebanon Campaign and the Future of Warfare: Implications for Army and Defense Policy," warns against placing too heavy an emphasis on classic guerrilla warfare, and raises the possibility of further non-state actors following the Lebanese militant group's example.

"Hezbollah's 2006 campaign in southern Lebanon has been receiving increasing attention as a prominent recent example of a non-state actor fighting a Westernized state," the authors of the report state. "In particular, critics of irregular-warfare transformation often cite the 2006 case as evidence that non-state actors can nevertheless wage conventional warfare in state-like ways."

The authors of the report, Dr. Stephen D. Biddle and Jeffrey A. Friedman, state that changes made by the U.S. Army in conducting urban warfare against guerrilla fighters in Iraq could compromise the military's ability to deal with other enemies in the future.

The authors give a high grade to Hezbollah's performance in the 2006 war, describing it as more effective than that of any Arab army that confronted Israel in the Jewish state's history, and that Hezbollah militants wounded more Israelis per fighter than any previous Arab effort.

Unlike a traditional guerrilla force, however, Hezbollah emphasized holding territory and digging in to bunkers, instead of the usual tactic of hiding among civilian populations. Likewise, the militant organization's discipline and coordination highly resembled those of conventional armies.

This combination of conventional and guerrilla tactics, the report claims, places new challenges before the U.S. Army. It calls for preparing the military for asymmetrical urban warfare, while at the same time working closely with civilian populations. It also calls for reducing military activity likely to harm the image of the U.S.

The report indicates that no army can be ideally prepared to deal with both kinds of enemy, conventional and guerrilla, simultaneously, and that in light of the discrepancies between the lessons of the Second Lebanon War and the current U.S. experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, serious challenges confront military planners.

While fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan demands the ability to defeat guerrilla forces, the example of Lebanon may inspire enemies of the U.S. to adopt more conventional methods.

U.S. report: Hezbollah fought Israel better than any Arab army - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
 
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Thank you for making it clear. This guy always assume things and then in his mind put them in your post and read his fantasies and the post together to give a very stupid and very despondent response. Totally out of sync with the meaning of the original post.

Which is all the more ironic because FaujHistorian is one of the most virulent anti-Arab racist Pakistanis on this forum. He continually blames Arabs for sectarian strife within Pakistan.
 
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Brilliant! and I did not even need to see it was Indian. Such pearls of wisdom only come from our next door neighbor.

You must have stumbled over an extremist site and how does that represent Muslim understanding of Shia or Sunni issue? I know what many Shias ssay about Sunnis but there is an extreme point of view everywhere.

And I ask all the knowledgeable people here? Aren't there divisions everywhere? Why differences among Muslims are highlighted? WHY?

As for you Indians! You are the nation where discrimination is the basis of your religious beliefs. You have so many insurmountable differences that if an effort is put to divide you, like it is being done to divide Muslims, you will be a fractious, bickering nation like no other.

You have dalits, brahmins and many other that I dont know ordained by your religious scriptures. you have many gods and if someone wants to make you guys fight, there are so many fissures in your society and religion that it will not be a very big effort.

I have studied in shia schools. My best friends are shias. Despite differences which are academic in nature, we get along very, very well.

Tell me one mainstream mullah on either side who does his politics or religion based on shia-sunni divide, the divide that only west and their cheerleader Indians see!

Bro, we have Hindus and Muslims living cheek by jowl for 65 years.

Not only Hindus with a non-existent Muslim minority.

We have nearly as many Shias as you do. And we have as many Sunni as you do.

In addition we have many other religions all living together as well.

What do you mean no one has tried to foment communal tension and passions to disrupt our society?

You do that every day.

Yet we soldier along and stay together.

Because we see ourselves as Indians first.

The other divisions can keep fighting within. No problem.

It keeps us in match practice for when the outsiders look our way.

Which is all the more ironic because FaujHistorian is one of the most virulent anti-Arab racist Pakistanis on this forum. He continually blames Arabs for sectarian strife within Pakistan.

I do not appreciate this habit of yours.

Of clean sweep branding people.

I have borne that brunt as well in the past, with no good reason.

Please desist.
 
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You completely misunderstood his point.

We are all painfully aware of the infighting between Muslims. What we are suggesting is to encourage mutual understanding rather than feeding the Shia-Sunni, Arab-Iranian hatreds. The only ones who benefit from all this infighting are our enemies.

They are among the enemies my friend. Believe me, we are not stupid to create ourselves other enemies, but it's the truth, and let me tell you that the damage they inflicted on the so called Ummah exceeds what non-Muslims inflicted by multiple times.
 
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