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How RAW, India's intelligence agency, fared under 21 spymasters in 48 years

he is not advocating terrorism but putting back RAW so that the lives of billions of Indians are safe from terrorism

;) then every Intelligence agency is doing the same. Saving lives of millions of people of that country. So it means there is no terrorism at all in the world if we apply your logic
 
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Those intelligence officers are more of data collators who are posted there to get a pulse of Pakistan and to scope out public functions to identify potential turncoats.Bribing is never done in Pakistan, but in neutral countries where no suspicion would be raised. But the core intel gathering is done by field agents, and this was even more critical 20 years ago.

Majority of what I am posting is directly from what retired RAW officials have stated in their interviews or books. Nearly everyone blame Moraji Desai and I.K. Gujral for being idiots. Desai was a classical idiot who showed confidential documents to Zia-ul-Haq and got Indian sources killed; while I.K Gujral was a deluded peacenik who though that if India disarmed itself, Pakistan would become brother country of India.

Here are some articles: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...he-raw-doctrine-that-set-india-behind-1771985
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...too-well-in-Pakistan/articleshow/12577068.cms
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/defe...gujral-in-former-pms-bombshell-sources-731629

I have first hand knowledge of recruitment process and it is also stated on wikipedia page. Though there is no official bar on lateral recruitment, but majority of IPS officers who join RAW do so from academy itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing

Only the field agents would never work with the embassy. They would directly cross the Indo Pak border and build networks. Ajit Doval is a good example.
 
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RAW is not a spy agency, but it's a terrorist organization, cross border terrorism, which is spreading in the whole world, including us, using Afghans suicide bombers and terrorism in Pakistan, using Tamil tigers and spread terrorism in Sri Lanka, using many militants and training them and attacking on Bangladesh. RAW font's are limited, it's not a well versatile agency, because this agency can't protect their own country interests, a terrorist agency which is mainly external not internal, can't much protect attacks further on its soil in future, Intelligence failures in 26/11 and Patahankoot, Uri are the recent examples.

RAW is not responsible for internal security
Their primary role is collection of intelligence

Only the field agents would never work with the embassy. They would directly cross the Indo Pak border and build networks. Ajit Doval is a good example.

it sounds more like a urban legend
 
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Only the field agents would never work with the embassy. They would directly cross the Indo Pak border and build networks. Ajit Doval is a good example.


Ajit doval never directly crossed into Pakistan. He was posted in Indian high commission in Islamabad with full diplomatic immunity perks. IPS officials ,as a rule, are never posted as field agents as (a) They are very high up in chain of command (b)They are known publicly and only thing that an intelligence agency has to do to know their identity is to check recruitment roster of Civil Services exam published by UPSC before anyone joins academy.

He has done some under cover work in Mizoram, but that was more of a semi-diplomatic one, rather than hardcore intelligence gathering and espionage. He won over six of seven Ladenga's commanders, but the foundation of winning them over would have already been laid by his juniors and he would be quite safe on ground. Intelligence agencies serve as diplomatic corps in absence of formal relations, and even terrorist groups honor 'don't kill a diplomat' protocol', if they have allowed him in. There are a lot of murmers in Indian press that India has some contacts with Taliban too, as a hedge in case they win, and those contacts are managed by intelligence officials, rather than diplomatic corps.

RAW (or any other agency) do not risk high rank officials for field work.
 
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Indira was Congress Congress was Indira. The Modi supporters cannot deny historical facts.

So if Ajit Doval by advocating terrorism in Pakistan is doing a fine job according to Indians then why cry over ISI?

Wrong .Indira was Congress when she was alive .After that there is not a single leader in Congress that can compare with Indira .

Do you have any proof?
 
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No official wipes out intelligence agency of his country unless he is a double agent himself. The fact is RAW had been doing her work in Karachi by exploding small bombs rather bicycle, pushcart bombs.. RAW tried to focus too much Balochistan hence you did not see much success. However, lately RAW has joined hands with TTP and Afghan terrorists against Pakistan and as a result you see huge success for RAW in form of massacre of Hundreds of Innocent Pakistani Children in Peshawar Army Public School attack recently.


RAW is an intelligence agency it does not run country like ISI/PA, its run by the govt of India not the army. IN Pakistan ISI/PA run the country, people fear to take their names and if you, no one will see you after that. RAW is just like CIA, MOSSAD, KGB etc unlike ISI.
 
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Ajit doval never directly crossed into Pakistan. He was posted in Indian high commission in Islamabad with full diplomatic immunity perks. IPS officials ,as a rule, are never posted as field agents as (a) They are very high up in chain of command (b)They are known publicly and only thing that an intelligence agency has to do to know their identity is to check recruitment roster of Civil Services exam published by UPSC before anyone joins academy.

He has done some under cover work in Mizoram, but that was more of a semi-diplomatic one, rather than hardcore intelligence gathering and espionage. He won over six of seven Ladenga's commanders, but the foundation of winning them over would have already been laid by his juniors and he would be quite safe on ground. Intelligence agencies serve as diplomatic corps in absence of formal relations, and even terrorist groups honor 'don't kill a diplomat' protocol', if they have allowed him in. There are a lot of murmers in Indian press that India has some contacts with Taliban too, as a hedge in case they win, and those contacts are managed by intelligence officials, rather than diplomatic corps.

RAW (or any other agency) do not risk high rank officials for field work.

First, Ajit Doval was in pakistan for 7 years (known), only 6 of that was with Indian embassy.

Second, Ajit Doval was a hands on operative who actually dressed up as a rikshaw puller and entered the Golden temple when it was take over by the terrorists. He in fact convinced the terrorists that he was a ISI agent :cheesy: and he had planted mines all around the temple so that the IA could not come in. (hence awarded the Presidents medal)

He himself has shared stories about how he roamed undercover in pakistan.....etc.

I say this to explain to you that not ALL IPS officers are babus. There are plenty of hands on operatives who later on get promoted from the field into cushy offices. Same is true for the police and the Army. The point is that the real world is quite different from what you imagine it to be.

RAW not risking officials is as dumb as saying the IA do not risk officers from the NDA in operations. Both of them do.
 
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How RAW, India's intelligence agency, fared under 21 spymasters in 48 years
Its glorious era was during the headship of RN Kao.

The Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) is celebrating its 48th raising day today (September 22) at its headquarters and among its staff wherever they are posted.

The legendary RN Kao founded the organisation on this day in 1968. He started the new assignment in bitter wrangling with some of his erstwhile colleagues who were hell-bent on thwarting his effort. But the diktat of then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi prevailed and Kao started a new mission with 250 skeleton staff provided by then honchos of the Intelligence Bureau (IB).

Kao era

Kao started from scratch and within three years, the RAW played a pivotal role in the liberation of Bangladesh, as well as the merger of Sikkim, a territory of more than 7000 sqkm, into sovereign India. No intelligence agency in the world, be it the CIA or MOSSAD, has achievements to parallel Kao's in just seven years of RAW's inception.

This was the glorious era of RAW under Kao. Unfortunately, in 1977 then PM Morarji Desai cut the wings of this agency with the weary assumption that Indira Gandhi misused it against her political opponents during the Emergency in 1975-77.

Staff strength was reduced and many major transborder operations were scuttled. Kao and Sankaran Nair, his next junior, were prematurely sent out of the wing. The mediocre NFSuntook was appointed to a rank lower than Kao's. It was a severe blow to the fast-growing prime intelligence outfit.

Indira Gandhi returned to rule again in 1980 and Kao was appointed as her senior adviser since he had retired from active service. As usual, Kao did not sit idle and got Siachen annexed despite strong Pakistan and Chinese presence on both sides of the glacier.

The LTTE was raised to help the Tamil population in Sri Lanka in self-determination against persecution by the Sinhalese. The National Security Guard (NSG) was raised to combat terrorism, which was a new security concern after such Pakistan-sponsored threat in Punjab.

Kao resigned after the assassination of Indira Gandhi on October 31, 1984, and Rajiv Gandhi started his inning as PM with new blend of advisers. The Indian Peace Keeping Force fiasco and Rajiv's resultant killing by the LTTE cadre were the byproducts of experimental planning.

Other chiefs

So far, the RAW has had 20 chiefs after the departure of Kao. His shadow Sankaran Nair served for three months when he confronted Morarji Desai against stoppage of important operations in adjoining countries.

Four chiefs, namely Suntook, SE Joshi, AK Verma and Ashok Chaturvedi, have died. The eldest among the rest, GC Saxena, who was later the governor of Jammu & Kashmir, is the living patriarch now.

Only two non-police officers, Suntook and Vikram Sood, had the privilege to out-class the strong police lobby of RAW. Suntook, an officer from the Indian Frontier Administrative Service, brainchild of Nehru, was an accidental chief but Sood, a postal service officer, proved to be a good manipulator.

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The legendary RN Kao founded the RAW in 1968. (Photo credit: India Today)
Rana Banerji, the first Indian Administrative Service officer vying for the office, missed by a whisker. MK Narayanan, national security adviser (NSA) of India at the time of the 26/11 attack, appointed PKH Tharakan - an Indian Police Service officer who had previously served in the RAW – in a bid to clean up the organisation after there was a lot of hue and cry when CIA mole Rabinder Singh was whisked away to the US vide Nepal.

It is sheer disappointing that no direct recruit from the RAW Administrative Service (RAS), despite some cracking records, was allowed to head the agency because of domination by the IPS.

AS Dulat and KC Verma were two IB-imported heads of RAW who proved utter disasters. The IC-814 hijacking took place during Dulat's headship, resulting in the release of three dreaded Pakistan terrorists, of which Azhar Masood later masterminded the Parliament attack. He is still a major sponsorer of terror inside India.

KC Verma was appointed by Narayanan in February 2009, after the 26/11 attack, when Manmohan Singh was PM. Later, in a shameless administrative burglary, SK Tripathi succeeded him through his Congress connections.

There were strong apprehensions that a huge amount of money changed hands, which Tripathi got via a $1800-million scam while in-charge of the aviation research centre of RAW. He later joined the BJP and started lobbying for the post of governor, but has not succeed so far.

Modi government

Although Narendra Modi, after becoming Prime Minister in May 2014, did not go after Ahmed Patel-Bhupinder Singh Hooda-appointed then RAW head Alok Joshi, how this dubious man was made the chief of National Technical Research Organisation, carved out of the RAW, is most intriguing.

Rajinder Khanna, current RAW secretary, was selected by current NSA Ajit Doval in January 2015 and he proved his selection a good choice, being a known counter-terrorism expert and honest person.

If we don’t include the killing of 18 soldiers, which is now emerging as negligence from the Indian Army's side, his record in the last 20 months is satisfactory.

No major terrorist activity has taken place beyond the Jammu & Kashmir region. Many self-radicalised jihadis across the country have been neutralised. I have confirmed information that Pathankot and Gurdaspur attack inputs were sent in advance by the RAW to all security agencies but the warnings were never heeded.

Above all, the Indian Ocean has been fully sanitised except for the Maldives. In a nutshell, the current RAW is competent and, after a 48-year tumultuous journey, is on the right track. I assume it would prove a big asset for Modi's government.

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/raw-r...k-verma-rajinder-khanna-ib/story/1/13054.html

No major terrorist activity has taken place beyond the Jammu & Kashmir region. Many self-radicalised jihadis across the country have been neutralised. I have confirmed information that Pathankot and Gurdaspur attack inputs were sent in advance by the RAW to all security agencies but the warnings were never heeded.

This is more of a role of IB than of RAW should the RAW be concentrating outside the border of India ?
 
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PA know very well what your state terrorist RAW are up to.

Tomorrow my family members will record my statement and upload it on youtube. I'll claim in the video that I work for ISI.

First, Ajit Doval was in pakistan for 7 years (known), only 6 of that was with Indian embassy.

Second, Ajit Doval was a hands on operative who actually dressed up as a rikshaw puller and entered the Golden temple when it was take over by the terrorists. He in fact convinced the terrorists that he was a ISI agent :cheesy: and he had planted mines all around the temple so that the IA could not come in. (hence awarded the Presidents medal)

He himself has shared stories about how he roamed undercover in pakistan.....etc.

I say this to explain to you that not ALL IPS officers are babus. There are plenty of hands on operatives who later on get promoted from the field into cushy offices. Same is true for the police and the Army. The point is that the real world is quite different from what you imagine it to be.

RAW not risking officials is as dumb as saying the IA do not risk officers from the NDA in operations. Both of them do.
1-2 IPS officers get selected in RAW and IB from SVPNPA after training directly. There are officials of IB and RAW there looking for some capable guys there. The selected one either wear the uniform for 5-6 months or no uniform at all. They are directly drafted into the Home Ministry (IB) or Cabinet Secretariat (RAW). Ajit Doval, as far as I was told by one of the trainees at SVPNPA, wore the uniform for 6 months.
 
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1-2 IPS officers get selected in RAW and IB from SVPNPA after training directly. There are officials of IB and RAW there looking for some capable guys there. The selected one either wear the uniform for 5-6 months or no uniform at all. They are directly drafted into the Home Ministry (IB) or Cabinet Secretariat (RAW). Ajit Doval, as far as I was told by one of the trainees at SVPNPA, wore the uniform for 6 months.

I already know about IB since somebody I know personally was selected by the IB during his IPS days and is now a pretty high official . He has worked in IB and as Police chief depending on the political climate of the time.

Appreciate the anecdote about doval.
 
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