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How New Chinese Air-to-Air Missile makes Indian Air force Deep assets vulnerable

Beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) are long-range missiles used by fighters to knock out enemy fighters, bombers, tankers, drones and other aircraft from ranges beyond 30km. On September 15, 2015, China successfully test fired its latest iteration, the PL-15, firing from a fighter to destroy a target drone.

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These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.

The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.

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The J-11B Flanker, a Chinese modification of the Russian Su-27 heavy fighter, is shown here with a PL-15 on a payload pylon under the left wing. While the J-11B's radar may not have the range to use the PL-15 to its maximum range, it can receive the location of distant enemy fighters from a KJ-2000 airborne early warning control (AEWC) aircraft, fire the PL-15 and let the PL-15's advanced radar guide the missile, with course corrections from the KJ-2000 AEWC, all without turning on the J-11B's radar (and giving away its position).

USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.
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PL-15 Future Home

The early 2002 (now 2004) J-20 stealth fighter prototype flies a test, carrying simulated BVRAAM loadouts (two in its main left weapons bay). Production J-20s are expected to be able to carry three BVRAAMs in each main weapons bay, making for 6 long range missiles, like the PL-15.

As the PL-15 moves to deployment stage, it will equip Chinese stealth fighter jets, such as the J-20 and J-31, as well as the older J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-16 fighters. This makes keeping up with the PL-15 an important part of American efforts to out-do an innovative and improving Chinese military system

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DRDO official speaking to idrw.org confirmed that India's second beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air Astra Mk.2 missile is in the pipeline

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According to DRDO official proposed Mk-II variant will have a range of 100km which is 66 % more than current 60km achieved by current Astra BVRAAM but DRDO official hinted that IAF might ask for even longer range BVRAAM, which might lead to a completely new design for next BVRAAM .

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I have One Point Which Normally Comes in Point With BVR Cable Missiles too
How Much Juice will they have in the End , Yes You can Fire it From 400 Miles Away But how Much energy will it Bleed in reaching that Target 400 Miles away it will give Enemy extra time to Counter it too ,
So Most Probably If these babies are used to Get the Kill it Will be Same Try to Fire 2 or 3 Missiles at target if some how even if target deploy counter measures , and one bird misses its target other will Probably Take out the target

and Its Size comes into play too , how many of these babies air craft can take , and they will also need A radar with that size most probably they will be used with AWACS because normal radars dont have that kind of Range
 
you forget to read one single line " The warship will be jointly designed by the Indian Naval Design Bureau and the foreign collaborator. "

Which proves my point. The Kamov company (1) provided the preliminary concept and (2) set preliminary performance parameters.
lol again u didnt understand.

"Russian design bureau verified the design via testing" , now i dont know in china , if testing of chopper sis done on paper only :laughcry::laughcry:

"Kamov then delivered the design to China" i also dont know in China Design delivery means giving A sketch on A4 paper ....:laughcry::laughcry::omghaha:


Both means, Russian tested a chopper and then hand over the blueprint... ask any manufacturing company rather running your imaginations.
 
you forget to read one single line " The warship will be jointly designed by the Indian Naval Design Bureau and the foreign collaborator. "


lol again u didnt understand.

"Russian design bureau verified the design via testing" , now i dont know in china , if testing of chopper sis done on paper only :laughcry::laughcry:

"Kamov then delivered the design to China" i also dont know in China Design delivery means giving A sketch on A4 paper ....:laughcry::laughcry::omghaha:


Both means, Russian tested a chopper and then hand over the blueprint... ask any manufacturing company rather running your imaginations.
the Italians will be doing most of the work since they have experience designing and building aircraft carriers, whilst india has experience only operating
 
you forget to read one single line " The warship will be jointly designed by the Indian Naval Design Bureau and the foreign collaborator. "


lol again u didnt understand.

"Russian design bureau verified the design via testing" , now i dont know in china , if testing of chopper sis done on paper only :laughcry::laughcry:

"Kamov then delivered the design to China" i also dont know in China Design delivery means giving A sketch on A4 paper ....:laughcry::laughcry::omghaha:


Both means, Russian tested a chopper and then hand over the blueprint... ask any manufacturing company rather running your imaginations.

Allow me to quote the very sources you've provided.

"Dubbed Project 941, the concept was initially designed in 1995..."
"...developed by China into the WZ-10/Z-10."

It is very clear that the company spokesperson himself referred to Kamov's contribution as concept development. This isn't the same as R&D or developmental detailed design that would've been the bulk of Z-10's realization.

If the Z-10 had indeed used a Kamov design (i.e. detailed blueprints & all subsystems pre-developed for China), the Z-10 wouldn't have been exported to Pakistan & offered for sale to other countries, at least not without Kamov's contribution to the decision.
 

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