How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat

[Porus]

Crap. Listen to you swami jee.

Jo hamrey Raam ka nahin, woh hamarey kaam ka nahin, Chhutti.

I want to see a debate between this gentleman and our ghazi Zaid Hamid.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

What?

What What?

Muslims are minority overall but they have areas/township where they are in absolute majority. The Township where Sabarmati express was burnt is one of such area.

How is Insanity termed logical? So back to my question why would xyz attack abc only to have abc to kill xyz's family, friends and villages? ESP when abc outnumbers xyz....Think about it for a second!

The temprary insanity also called fervor that i am talking about is what grips Rugby and Football hooligans when they riot on manchester's streets after a football game. or Muslims after a good religious sermon by mullahs during Friday prayers.

And these people did not had a threat to their personal or their family's safety, at least in pre 2002 Gujarat. They live in Islamic enclave. What harm could a night of infidel burning do to them?

So HAMAS should continue and soon Israelis will behave themselves?

So 2 wrongs does do a right, is that what you are concluding?

Heck then how did this happen:

Oh! HAMAS is not suing for peace and i do not have any issue with that.I am not here as representative of Israel. HAMAS is welcome to lob rockets into Israel. Just don't cry victim when Israel react with fury.I only have issues with people crying victim in a conflict of their own doing.

BTW HAMAS's behaviour is a textbook example of the point that i was stating. HAMAS indulges in terrorism because it knows fully well that Israel would not go Third Reich on its @ss.

Similarly, Muslims in post 2002 era believed that Hindus would not react disproportionately ( going by previous record ). Thus they thought it okay to burn Trains. Once that myth was shattered, no stupid action has been taken by muslims since then.

 

[chhota bheem]

Yet you call it a Hindu school and a Sikh school? If there is no religious content then why label schools?

Pakistan is not the topic of this thread mind you I have never schooled in Pakistan I wouldnt know what you are showing me to be true or not!

And I think you got me wrong!

He said he feels like puking due to the intolerance...Heck intolerance is not thought in school it is picked up from the surroundings! When you people say it is ok to go to shrines coz we go there too....but ask why women want to cover their heads or why men want to grow beards when you never questioned why women wear a scarf when going to temple and Sikh men grow beards too....when your own community mix and accepts and becomes intolerant and tries to seek another way in someone else's religion or make jokes based on it...what kind of tolerance are you depicting?

Stop debating for the sake of it ?it getting boring now

 

[Dubious]

Your statement was invalid. You need to ask " Whether two wrong makes it right" not " whether two rights make a wrong ".

I beg your pardon? I did ask whether 2 wrongs make a right!

Answer was included in very next statement. I am not in a habit of repeating myself.

Neither am I yet I felt charitable enough to repeat my question twice to you and 3 other times to 3 other members!

Hindus are not book people. Instead no religion except Judaism, Islam, and Christanity is book religion. There is no inviolable Hindu laws.

At least we agree on this tell that to @Srinivas

And that explanation was based on secular moral principles, not talmundic jurisprudence. Riots in wake of Godhra train burning were just and moral because of it's utility, not divinity.

How is he not asked how he is trying to justify it? @he-man or am I the only one to accuse based on my flag? I didnt justify anything but he just did! See the hypocrisy in you?

On a collective level, only utility matters. Thus it does not absolve perpetrators of both Train Burning and riots of their personal impropriety, but it does make riots on collective level, just.

And we see it again!

All these examples were brought forth to highlight double standard of Muslims. These are example of conflicts where Muslims are acting like savages and savagery is being done on them.

Double standards, you sure that what the govt/ army does vs how the people feel is the same? Your examples were political related if you bring it in this thread than Gujarat riot was also a piece of politic game!

And we have tons of examples where the opposite is also true but I am not going to bring those forward and stoop to your level...But you bringing in everything was just showing you had no points to put forward...

Point is why cry victimhood when you are participating in ( sometime instigating ) violence? Why this hypocrisy?

I answered this already when army or politicians do xyz and people cry abc is not the same....and it is a victim card they are allowed esp when they are VICTIMS!

Already Answered.

Not my problem if you do not like the answer.

BY saying that doesnt mean you have answered it....

I will leave the question here so people can see how you claim to have answered

WHY WOULD A GROUP of Muslims who are outnumbered pick a fight with a larger group and let the blame fall on their Muslim brothers and Sisters?

Source: How Muslims were massacred in Gujrat | Page 10

 

[SrNair]

So you justify the killing of your blood brothers ...like someone on this thread just said 2 wrongs does make a right! That the Muslims who attacked the train were stupid and thought blood brothers wont retaliate and the Gujarat riots was retaliation hence justified...So what kind of blood brother is that?

In 1 breathe you say bad stuff about Pakistan but in another you try to compare yourselves to Pakistan....is this not some form of complex? Do you always compare to the bad?

You have a high class life and education .So you cant think like that of an illetrate youths inremote areas of Gujarat something that was majority in that time .

When someone told them about the killing of Hindu pilgrims next thing they would probably do is the hunting of the people having same religions as that of killers.And that is their culture.Even Army cant resist such a violent mob.
You would probably know what would happen when thousands of mobs in furious marching against an entire community .Not even Army cant handle them easily.

 

[Dubious]

What video and proofs?
For things that never happened.

We both know its not gonna happen.But u have neatly justified everything on the garb of this being propaganda which is deplorable to say the least.

I have not justified anything point out where I have written it is justifiable? whereas your country man has made it clear it is!

 

[Srinivas]

There is flexibility then there is anarchy where you dont want rules and want to do what you please, twist what you please, add what you please, subtract what you please...its always about you not the religion! So what controls and gives you the directions for the Kalyuga Dharma?

It is always about Humans not about Religion. Faith is for humans, there is no political ideology associated with it nor we are trying to defend a single man's empire with our lives.

Regarding rules, rule are flexible as always depending on the situations and changes !!

There is guidance in Vedas and Bhagavatam !!

When we have this for the Quran then Indians jump into Hadith....Really strange how Indians fail to see that!

Vedas do not discriminate nor they encourage to kill the other political party workers. Dharma is not fighting another political party for power and is discriminating party workers based on the flag they wear.

We say "Vasudaika Kutumbam" "Global family"

"Sarve Jana sukino Bhavanthu" May all the mankind be blessed and peaceful !!

We have our txt and we try to live by it!

You can live but countries have rules and authorities have the responsibility to maintain peace and harmony.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

You are a liar. Majority of Hindus lived in East Pakistan and with the creation of Bangladesh, their population automatically got subtracted from the total population of Hindus that remained in the West Pakistan. Doing little homework before vomiting crap never hurts.

It is you who is a liar.

Hindu Population of West Pakistan was 9% in 1951( after most of the people who wanted to migrate had Migrated). If Hindu Population % of both East+West Pakistan is counted, it comes out to be 22%.

 

[Dubious]

Stop debating for the sake of it ?it getting boring now

I asked 1 question and it turned into every Indian bring in Pakistan but dont answer her question! So I am not doing it for the sake of debating....I am looking for someone brave enough to use their god given brain to ponder on my question

 

[syedali73]

what do you mean by hindutva terrorist. did people here called you islamic terrorist.
hindutva is a ideology. not a terrorist camp as they are in Azad Kashmir.

Why should they call me Islamic terrorist? Do I support, hide, or defend the actions of the Al-Qaeda, indian-backed TTP, or IS's terrorists?

Regarding the terrorists camps, following would be an interesting read for you, hough I know you wont read.

RSS, BJP camps promoting Hindu terror: Sushilkumar Shinde

JAIPUR/ NEW DELHI: Union home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde has accused the BJP and the RSS of fanning Hindu terrorism, a charge which drew angry reaction from both of them.

"Reports have come during investigation that BJP and RSS conduct terror training camps to spread terrorism... Bombs were planted in Samjhauta express, Mecca Masjid and also a blast was carried out in Malegaon.

"We will have to think about it seriously and will have to remain alert," Shinde said at the AICC meeting in Jaipur on Sunday.

As his remarks were slammed by RSS and BJP which termed them as "dangerous" and accused Congress of indulging in "destructive politics", Shinde stuck to his stand, saying, "This has come so many times in the papers... It is not a new thing that I have said today.

"This is saffron terrorism that I have talked about. It is the same thing and nothing new. It has come in the media several times," the home minister said.

To a question if it was Hindu terrorism or saffron terrorism, he said, "This is saffron terrorism (that) I have stated."

Charging Congress with having a "destructive mindset which was reflected in the home minister's statement", BJP said it was "very objectionable". "It is not only unacceptable but dangerous also," party spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said.

"There cannot be anything worse that the country's home minister giving such an objectionable statement to disrupt peace and harmony of the country," Naqvi told reporters in Delhi.

Terming RSS as a "nationalist organisation", the BJP leader said, "Sonia Gandhi should apologise. Rahul Gandhi and home minister should also apologise, otherwise there will be serious consequences. This is not accepted. Such baseless things when said by home minister amounts to giving clean chit to real terrorists."

"Sometimes I feel that Congress has become a group of cowards (kayaron ki jamaat). I am terming Congress as a group of cowards because repeated terror strikes are happening in the country, terrorists are mushrooming here.

"They abolished the tool to fight terrorism," he said in an apparent reference to scrapping of POTA.

Attacking the home minister, RSS spokesman Ram Madhav described his statement as "highly irresponsible" and said he had made the remarks only to please his party bosses.

"If a Congress leader had said something like this it wouldn't have mattered that much, but if the home minister of the country is saying something like this, it is highly irresponsible. This is all about playing votebank politics," he said. : Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Sunday sparked a major political controversy saying RSS and BJP were promoting Hindu terror.

Speaking during Congress's Chintar Shivir at Jaipur, Shinde said: "We have reports that RSS, BJP camps are promoting Hindu terror in the country."

He alleged that RSS was behind Samjhauta, Mecca Masjid and Malegaon blasts.

While senior Congress leader Rajiv Shukla clarified the statement made by the union minister, the BJP hit back, saying Shinde's statement could dent the communal peace in the country.

Terming Shinde's comment as most unfortunate and condemnable, BJP spokesperson, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said: "Instead of warning Pakistan for supporting terrorism in India, Congress in trying to malign the BJP."

"Both Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi must apologise for Shinde's statement," Naqvi said.

Standing by Shinde's comment, senior Congress leader Manishankar Aiyar said the minister has underlined an open secret.

Later, speaking to reporters, Shinde justified his remarks and said he has only pointed out what had been said in newspapers on several occasions. However, he did clarified that he meant 'saffron terrorism.'

RSS, BJP camps promoting Hindu terror: Sushilkumar Shinde - The Times of India

 

[Dubious]

Arre waha nice logic.
Thete was a lot of difference between 2002 Godhra and 2014 Godhra Their former CM made it that possible.
He knew the poverty and illietracy caused these social tensions.So there was no riots happened in Gujarat after that.
You dont know anything about Hindi heartland and divisive politics in there.Such things nt happen in SI because in social index we are better than them.



Godhra train burning was one of such divisive politics from pseudo seculars at that time.
Once such an incident happens you will have special idiots for rumour spreading then fight will start between two groups.
This is NI.But Gujarat riots was specialky designed for political purpose.
But in our nation minority have much opportunities that their counterpart in Pakistan even can inagine.

The last line was not necessary! Rest I appreciate!

 

[he-man]

@Akheilos

What did i justify?
I clearly stated in multiple posts that both sides were stupid but considering the divide in subcontinent its better for minority to stay away from such acts as train burning as ultimately it will suffer.

Secondly i take exception to op posting this thread and not showing the full picture which is that burning train started the riots which is a fact proven by nanavati commission report probed by 2 judges and established in a court of law.

 

[syedali73]

Hindu ‘Saffron’ Terror Camps breeding Terrorists – Indian Home Minister Shinde confesses

‘Samjhota, Makkah Masjid, Malegon Blasts were carried out by BJP and RSS; blamed on Muslims’

by Tabish Qayyum

In a ground-breaking confession, India’s home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde has exposed the nexus between BJP and the RSS for breeding ‘Hindu terrorism’, a charge which has raged a storm from hard line Hindus on Indian mainstream and social media.

Speaking during Congress’s Chintar Shivir at Jaipur, Shinde said: “We have reports that RSS, BJP camps are promoting Hindu terror in the country.”

He alleged that RSS was behind Samjhauta, Mecca Masjid and Malegaon blasts.

“Reports have come during investigation that BJP and RSS conduct terror training camps to spread terrorism; Bombs were planted in Samjhauta express, Mecca Masjid and also a blast was carried out in Malegaon.”

Considering this a serious security threat, Shinde further said,

“We will have to think about it seriously and will have to remain alert,”

Remaining steadfast on his stance Shinde defended his allegation by saying, “This has come so many times in the papers… It is not a new thing that I have said today.”

Relating this to notorious ‘Saffron Terror’ often related to fundamental Hindu Right Wing groups which have previously been alleged for terrorism he said,

“This is saffron terrorism that I have talked about. It is the same thing and nothing new. It has come in the media several times,” the home minister said.

The Home Minister of India, P. Chidambaram urged Indians to beware of “Saffron terror” on August 25, 2010 at a meeting of state police chiefs in New Delhi, first time the word was officially used.

Charging Congress with having a “destructive mindset which was reflected in the home minister’s statement”, BJP said it was “very objectionable”. “It is not only unacceptable but dangerous also,” party spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said.
“There cannot be anything worse that the country’s home minister giving such an objectionable statement to disrupt peace and harmony of the country,” Naqvi told reporters in Delhi.

Terming RSS as a “nationalist organisation”, the BJP leader said, “Sonia Gandhi should apologise. Rahul Gandhi and home minister should also apologise, otherwise there will be serious consequences. This is not accepted. Such baseless things when said by home minister amounts to giving clean chit to real terrorists.”

“Sometimes I feel that Congress has become a group of cowards (kayaron ki jamaat). I am terming Congress as a group of cowards because repeated terror strikes are happening in the country, terrorists are mushrooming here.

“They abolished the tool to fight terrorism,” he said in an apparent reference to scrapping of POTA.

Attacking the home minister, RSS spokesman Ram Madhav described his statement as “highly irresponsible” and said he had made the remarks only to please his party bosses.

“If a Congress leader had said something like this it wouldn’t have mattered that much, but if the home minister of the country is saying something like this, it is highly irresponsible. This is all about playing votebank politics,” he said. : Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Sunday sparked a major political controversy saying RSS and BJP were promoting Hindu terror.

A storm is also raging at this brazen statement that has removed the lid from an open-secret, Social Media is flooded by mixed reactions. Hindu extremists who use this medium for their activities are terming this an attack on Hinduism.

BJP believes this statement will dent the communal harmony which is already on a fuming volcano after Owaisi Speech against Hindu Oppression and marginalization and how strongly Muslim can react if Police remains unbiased. Owaisi was arrested after his speech while 5 Muslims were shot dead by police in Dhule, Maharashtra whi led to riots injuring hundreds of people.

BJP leaders and RSS extremists are vehemently condemning Shinde for remarks and are shocked that instead of blaming Pakistan for terrorism, congress is blaming Hindus.

It has been time and again proved, in fact Pakistan’s interior minister Rehman Malik has also confessed of India involvement in Baluchistan and terrorism in Pakistan with complete state support. There are many proves lying with law enforcement agencies that point to Hindu Terrorists operating in Pakistan.

Dozens of Pakistanis lost lives in Samjhota Express incident, will Pakistani Media and Government that is hell-bent for Aman Ki Asha open its eyes even after they have observed Indian public and Media reaction to the LOC incident. Apart from Gen.Musharraf who rightly treated Indian Media by urging them to expose Hindu terrorism and taking action against Hindu Terror organization, it is high time that every quarter of Pakistani society unites to expose Indian Terrorism in this region.

 

[he-man]

I have not justified anything point out where I have written it is justifiable? whereas your country man has made it clear it is!

My country man!!
Damn that sounds so funny to me,i don't know why?

 

[he-man]

Hindu ‘Saffron’ Terror Camps breeding Terrorists – Indian Home Minister Shinde confesses

‘Samjhota, Makkah Masjid, Malegon Blasts were carried out by BJP and RSS; blamed on Muslims’

by Tabish Qayyum

In a ground-breaking confession, India’s home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde has exposed the nexus between BJP and the RSS for breeding ‘Hindu terrorism’, a charge which has raged a storm from hard line Hindus on Indian mainstream and social media.

Speaking during Congress’s Chintar Shivir at Jaipur, Shinde said: “We have reports that RSS, BJP camps are promoting Hindu terror in the country.”

He alleged that RSS was behind Samjhauta, Mecca Masjid and Malegaon blasts.

“Reports have come during investigation that BJP and RSS conduct terror training camps to spread terrorism; Bombs were planted in Samjhauta express, Mecca Masjid and also a blast was carried out in Malegaon.”

Considering this a serious security threat, Shinde further said,

“We will have to think about it seriously and will have to remain alert,”

Remaining steadfast on his stance Shinde defended his allegation by saying, “This has come so many times in the papers… It is not a new thing that I have said today.”

Relating this to notorious ‘Saffron Terror’ often related to fundamental Hindu Right Wing groups which have previously been alleged for terrorism he said,

“This is saffron terrorism that I have talked about. It is the same thing and nothing new. It has come in the media several times,” the home minister said.

The Home Minister of India, P. Chidambaram urged Indians to beware of “Saffron terror” on August 25, 2010 at a meeting of state police chiefs in New Delhi, first time the word was officially used.

Charging Congress with having a “destructive mindset which was reflected in the home minister’s statement”, BJP said it was “very objectionable”. “It is not only unacceptable but dangerous also,” party spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said.
“There cannot be anything worse that the country’s home minister giving such an objectionable statement to disrupt peace and harmony of the country,” Naqvi told reporters in Delhi.

Terming RSS as a “nationalist organisation”, the BJP leader said, “Sonia Gandhi should apologise. Rahul Gandhi and home minister should also apologise, otherwise there will be serious consequences. This is not accepted. Such baseless things when said by home minister amounts to giving clean chit to real terrorists.”

“Sometimes I feel that Congress has become a group of cowards (kayaron ki jamaat). I am terming Congress as a group of cowards because repeated terror strikes are happening in the country, terrorists are mushrooming here.

“They abolished the tool to fight terrorism,” he said in an apparent reference to scrapping of POTA.

Attacking the home minister, RSS spokesman Ram Madhav described his statement as “highly irresponsible” and said he had made the remarks only to please his party bosses.

“If a Congress leader had said something like this it wouldn’t have mattered that much, but if the home minister of the country is saying something like this, it is highly irresponsible. This is all about playing votebank politics,” he said. : Union home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Sunday sparked a major political controversy saying RSS and BJP were promoting Hindu terror.

A storm is also raging at this brazen statement that has removed the lid from an open-secret, Social Media is flooded by mixed reactions. Hindu extremists who use this medium for their activities are terming this an attack on Hinduism.

BJP believes this statement will dent the communal harmony which is already on a fuming volcano after Owaisi Speech against Hindu Oppression and marginalization and how strongly Muslim can react if Police remains unbiased. Owaisi was arrested after his speech while 5 Muslims were shot dead by police in Dhule, Maharashtra whi led to riots injuring hundreds of people.

BJP leaders and RSS extremists are vehemently condemning Shinde for remarks and are shocked that instead of blaming Pakistan for terrorism, congress is blaming Hindus.

It has been time and again proved, in fact Pakistan’s interior minister Rehman Malik has also confessed of India involvement in Baluchistan and terrorism in Pakistan with complete state support. There are many proves lying with law enforcement agencies that point to Hindu Terrorists operating in Pakistan.

Dozens of Pakistanis lost lives in Samjhota Express incident, will Pakistani Media and Government that is hell-bent for Aman Ki Asha open its eyes even after they have observed Indian public and Media reaction to the LOC incident. Apart from Gen.Musharraf who rightly treated Indian Media by urging them to expose Hindu terrorism and taking action against Hindu Terror organization, it is high time that every quarter of Pakistani society unites to expose Indian Terrorism in this region.

Maybe true,i admit.
But they have been neutralized and nipped in the bud.