rubyjackass
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Please read the post I was replying to
PS: I don't give a **** about the nuclear deal.
PS: I don't give a **** about the nuclear deal.
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Being from an economy of 1000th of a size of some of these western powers we still have the biggest army contributed to the Afghanistan war. I don't understand that after all the talk of an Afghanistan Surge all they could muster up was <20k soldiers? Why not send in like 100,000 of them to finish the job and not keep the whole matter on a nice simmer.
The US has that many forces. They shouldn't be left home as decoration pieces and be committed to the war.
Please read the post I was replying to
PS: I don't give a **** about the nuclear deal.
Bachay that was my way of saying thanks! Ishtyle baba!
U didnt get!!
I was saying that u have some knowledge!!
And ur response!!
U disappointed me!!
Now thanks!!
Dont need ur clearification!!
Luck has nothing to do with it. We work very, very hard to improve as we're engaged with real enemies and not chasing windmills on your eastern border.
Indeed! How time flies when you're denying strategic space. Karzai's been in power nearly twice as long as Omar? Says everything you need to know about the differences between our armies and yours. With sixty thousand soldiers we keep in power what 550,000 of yours couldn't do for the taliban.
Oh, I'm fully aware what this war is. We shared a common enemy once. Now our enemy is your friend when he isn't your enemy too. In the mountains along your border our platoons manuever daily on their LPCs (leather personnel carriers) on 50 degree slope seeking these lads in a very personal fight.
Having conversed with you now a bit I'm dismayed by what it is that you do know. You seem in agreement with the Pakistani pursuit of strategic space in a neighboring country. You seem to diminish the importance of a state army's responsibility for securing it's lands from invasion and dismissive of the present threat that exists in your recently-lost western lands.
You of all people beg your unpreparedness for this war. I know that you shall never be prepared but no group of men bear more direct responsibilities than your company grade officers and their mentors/commanders. Primarily, though, you lack nothing but determination to begin the fight.
As I've written, were they Indians you'd use any means at your disposal but with the taliban you seem content to acquiesce your lands.
if it's any solace, I can assure you that should your army ever attempt to recapture the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan you'll find a committed army prepared to defend it's lands from you and fully fortified to that end.
We'll see what you remember from your experiences in Bajaur. That's the relevant operational lesson as you may expect much more of the same on a far higher scale just to it's south.
To that end, what are you awaiting? A mid-intensity infantry-centric conventional battle awaits your forces. You'll need the full range of your conventional forces and you'll be wise take what lessons you can from who you may ASAP as it's clear you need to learn how to fight in your populous areas without leveling EVERY SINGLE BUILDING.
I understand the need in Loe Sam but that can't be replicated village after village in Waziristan. Your infantry, armor, engineers, air defense and artillery will play close and personal roles in these communities...I hope.
Well, we've reached a "mexican standoff" of my gov't's drivel against your gov't. drivel. Can we toss other nation's driveling thoughts in such as Afghanistan, Canada, and Great Britain too?
Hogwash - I am not reacting any differently than you would if every conversation we had included allegations of the CIA and US Military having carried out 911.You are utterly defensive and totally irrational. There are serious problems in any gov't that justifies proxy warfare for ANY reason over ANY issue. If you haven't grasped that salient fact then neither you personally nor your government can be good partners in the mission being conducted in Afghanistan by forty one nations besides America's afghani hosts
Without evidence indeed it is.Essentially, I gather that all of them think you're pissing on their efforts. I'm sure it's simply "drivel".
The point remains - the West's pontifications about 'billions' spent in a war far from her soil are arrogant and dishonest, given that Pakistan has lost tens of billions, and thousands of lives in a war on her soil. If sacrifice indicates intent and absolves one from accusations of complicity, the West does not come close to Pakistan.As to blood, we've traveled far to die for a cause that virtually all our soldiers believe in. I'm sorry for the fine soldiers in your army whose bravery for a common cause exceeds the government, citizens, and civilian leaders of your country. They did, however, die on their own soil. If a soldier is to fight on his own soil and not be victorious, it's best to die.
Time will tell if we are victorious or not. I remain optimistic we will, though Zardari might still prove me wrong.Will you be victorious A.M. or do you need civil and military aid without restrictions and a U.S. sponsored plebiscite in Kashmir before you suddenly get interested?
Nobody really cares. I don't think aid can help you anyway. There's a 10% surcharge right off the top once it crosses your country's lines. Sunk costs in that case or throwing good money after bad. Wouldn't be the first time with Pakistan.
More unknown unknowns?Keep your "contacts". You'll be needing them I suspect.
Indeed, but by that yardstick the fact that Afghanistan serves as the primary source/transit route of the drugs and weapons into Pakistan, supplying the Afghan and PakTaliban, and your inability to eliminate that after eight years speaks volumes of your nations 'guilt'.Well beyond that there's the more salient point that you don't have to sleep with the enemy to abet him. Your country's silence is deafening and in that vacumn of thought pass the taliban with seamless ease.
You have been utterly outmanuevered in an information war and no amount of civil or military aid can overcome that message at this point. This isn't about money. It's completely about moral determination and your civil and military leadership are as bankrupt there as your coffers.
Not nearly as much as the endless stream of pejoratives against the PA from you."unknown unknowns"
You've become a broken record.
Agree to disagree, and move onto less circular and tired arguments."We've proof of ..."
"No you don't..."
Both comments used by both sides at some point in the discussion.
A.M., what next?
This should be helpful for those not familiar with the political geography of these areas.
the taliban barely has 1 or 2 percent of pakistani territory in control and they still fighting to occupy itThis is a question i would like to ask my pakistani brothers and sisters?
Ive heard in thewestern press anything from 20 to 70% of pakistans territory.
Pakistan is a huge country, Can the taliban which number about 60,000 really controll such a huge area of land. The 60,000 figure comes from a BBC report and i feel would be about ok considering the northern areas have only a population of 5million.
Ideally pakistanis from the northwest of pakistan would be the best ones to answer the question.
Thankyou brothers and i pray for a swift victory over the kaffir taleban.
What actually happened was that both sides 'agreed to build trust' with each other, whatever that means.No.
You miss the point of my question. What happens next in the course of this conversation? If both sides are rational (regardless of truth), what follows these mutual denials?