How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

[AndrewJin]

Bro, you think the green camp will cause much trouble? It seems some pundits already writen off KMT in the next election...

Green will win except that USA thinks Green as a troublemaker and interferes with 2016 election.

 

[Pangu]

Green will win except that USA thinks Green as a troublemaker and interferes with 2016 election.

Lets hope so, but who knows if they will give the green some "freedom" to manuveur in an attempt to distract & weaken cross strait relationship, & to provide them a reason to interfere, as they have in ECS & SCS.

 

[AndrewJin]

Lets hope so, but who knows if they will give the green some "freedom" to manuveur in an attempt to distract & weaken cross strait relationship, & to provide them a reason to interfere, as they have in ECS & SCS.

If that's the case, then no room for Taiwan in any multilateral economic cooperation and we will see more and more high-end industry moving to the mainland. At the same time, do you think most Taiwanese are into a tense cross-strait relation? Now, mostly they think green can handle it well if they are in charge. But remember why KMT won the 2012 election even they did terribly in economy? I watched their political talk shows everyday, seriously, they are living in another world, no hope for their youth no matter it is KMT or green.

 

[cnleio]

"Economic Magic" during past 35 years in China

Twenty years before

Twenty years after

 

[Shotgunner51]

"Economic Magic" during past 35 years in China

Twenty years before
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Twenty years after
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Compared to almost nothing 35 years ago, by now over 160 million cars are running in China, with more than 20 million new cars adding to the market each year.

China Car Market Up 14% to 20 Million Sales - Business Insider

@AndrewJin In fact I am sure you would agree that people should more frequently use other forms of public transportation e.g. subways, HSR, aviation.

 

[Shotgunner51]

@cnleio @Yizhi @AndrewJin

By now, China has 84946 km of expressways in operation, longest in the world. Yet China will continue to build in order to cater for ever increasing fleet of vehicles and demand from particularly in-land provinces.

List of countries by length of expressways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - Country - Total network length of all motorways (km)

1) China 84,946
2) United States 76,334
3) Russia 39,143
4) Canada 17,000
5) Spain 16,205
6) Germany 12,800
7) France 11,416
8) Brazil 11,000
9) Japan 7,803
10) Italy 6,700
11) Mexico 6,144
12) South Korea 4,044
13) Saudi Arabia 3,891
14) United Kingdom 3,519
15) Thailand 2,885
16) Netherlands 2,758
17) Chile 2,653
18) Portugal 2,613
19) Poland 2,418
20) Cyprus 2,277
21) Iraq 2,227
22) Pakistan 2,225
23) Turkey 2,127
24) Argentina 2,000
25) Iran 1,948
26) Oman 1,943
27) South Africa 1,927
28) Sweden 1,913
29) Malaysia 1,821
30) Switzerland 1,809
31) Belgium 1,756
32) Austria 1,719
33) Australia 1,700
34) Hungary 1,477
35) Algeria 1,300
36) Venezuela 1,256
37) Croatia 1,254
38) Czech Republic 1,242
39) India 1,208
40) Morocco 1,194
41) Denmark 1,143
42) Syria 1,103
43) Greece 1,091
44) Ireland 1,017
45) Egypt 988
46) Slovenia 769
47) Belarus 750
48) Taiwan 720
49) Finland 700
50) Romania 680
51) Cuba 638
52) Bulgaria 625
53) Bhutan 622
54) Serbia 618
55) Puerto Rico 454
56) Israel 449
57) Kuwait 420
58) Slovakia 417
59) Norway 393
60) Uzbekistan 332
61) El Salvador 327
62) Lithuania 312
63) Peru 276
64) Libya 262
65) Tunisia 262
66) Macedonia 259
67) United Arab Emirates 253
68) Uruguay 252
69) Cameroon 240
70) Ukraine 200
71) Sri Lanka 180
72) New Zealand 172
73) Albania 170
74) Cote d'Ivoire 162
75) Singapore 161
76) Kenya 153
77) Luxembourg 152
78) Lebanon 145
79) Bosnia and Herzegovina 130
80) Estonia 115
81) Myanmar 101
82) Vietnam 100
83) Guatemala 75
84) Mauritius 75
85) Zambia 50
86) Iceland 37
87) Ghana 35
88) Jamaica 33
89) Bahrain 30
90) Gabon 30
91) Guinea Bissau 15
92) Georgia 13
93) Senegal 7

 

[AndrewJin]

@cnleio @Yizhi @AndrewJin

By now, China has 84946 km of expressways in operation, longest in the world. Yet China will continue to build in order to cater for ever increasing fleet of vehicles and demand from particularly in-land provinces.

List of countries by length of expressways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - Country - Total network length of all motorways (km)

1) China 84,946
2) United States 76,334
3) Russia 39,143
4) Canada 17,000
5) Spain 16,205
6) Germany 12,800
7) France 11,416
8) Brazil 11,000
9) Japan 7,803
10) Italy 6,700
11) Mexico 6,144
12) South Korea 4,044
13) Saudi Arabia 3,891
14) United Kingdom 3,519
15) Thailand 2,885
16) Netherlands 2,758
17) Chile 2,653
18) Portugal 2,613
19) Poland 2,418
20) Cyprus 2,277
21) Iraq 2,227
22) Pakistan 2,225
23) Turkey 2,127
24) Argentina 2,000
25) Iran 1,948
26) Oman 1,943
27) South Africa 1,927
28) Sweden 1,913
29) Malaysia 1,821
30) Switzerland 1,809
31) Belgium 1,756
32) Austria 1,719
33) Australia 1,700
34) Hungary 1,477
35) Algeria 1,300
36) Venezuela 1,256
37) Croatia 1,254
38) Czech Republic 1,242
39) India 1,208
40) Morocco 1,194
41) Denmark 1,143
42) Syria 1,103
43) Greece 1,091
44) Ireland 1,017
45) Egypt 988
46) Slovenia 769
47) Belarus 750
48) Taiwan 720
49) Finland 700
50) Romania 680
51) Cuba 638
52) Bulgaria 625
53) Bhutan 622
54) Serbia 618
55) Puerto Rico 454
56) Israel 449
57) Kuwait 420
58) Slovakia 417
59) Norway 393
60) Uzbekistan 332
61) El Salvador 327
62) Lithuania 312
63) Peru 276
64) Libya 262
65) Tunisia 262
66) Macedonia 259
67) United Arab Emirates 253
68) Uruguay 252
69) Cameroon 240
70) Ukraine 200
71) Sri Lanka 180
72) New Zealand 172
73) Albania 170
74) Cote d'Ivoire 162
75) Singapore 161
76) Kenya 153
77) Luxembourg 152
78) Lebanon 145
79) Bosnia and Herzegovina 130
80) Estonia 115
81) Myanmar 101
82) Vietnam 100
83) Guatemala 75
84) Mauritius 75
85) Zambia 50
86) Iceland 37
87) Ghana 35
88) Jamaica 33
89) Bahrain 30
90) Gabon 30
91) Guinea Bissau 15
92) Georgia 13
93) Senegal 7

Long long way to go, I think we need 200,000 km at least.
But 84,000 km? It was 2011 figure!!
Now 112,000 km
中国高速公路_百度百科

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I am from Wuhan.

Alot has changed in just 5 years since I left for university then grad school. Even the culture changes fast. I'll never forget how nervous I was back in 2008, on a train to Beijing to meet my first internet girlfriend who was in my kindergarden (!) and was reintroduced just a few months before. Still remember how she opened my box of Belgian chocolate that I worked my *** off to buy, only to find it was starting to melt, so we shared it. Fast forward a few years; I broke up with my first girlfriend, even dated a girl way younger than me, and now I'm dating a girl my age because we're already too damn old and just want to settle down. She complains about back pain, thats how old we are lol. I even learned the concept of dating in these years - that awkward stage of the relationship between being friends and being boyfriends/girlfriends. Used to be confused by it. I used to think I was shy, now? Shyness is for boys, not men.

Alot of popular vocabulary I used back in 2010, isn't even in use anymore. I don't recognize alot of the new music stars; hell, some of them are younger than me now. The girl classmates who wore tank tops, no bra, during the summer because it was too hot and yelled at us "看什么看，又不是AV上没见过“ (the hell you looking at, its not like you haven't seen it in p*** before) ? Mostly bitter at men, tired of life working shitty jobs and either alone or with guys that treat them like trash. The guys that chilled with me in the internet cafe yelling ”草你妈的能不能认真点玩儿“ (motherf*** can't you just pay attention) at the screen for losing in DOTA? Mostly bitter at women, tired of life working shitty jobs and either alone or with girls that don't love them. Definitely no more DOTA. Me? They all say I haven't changed. I still get mad at injustices, still have my feelings on my face, still bright and cheerful and think about things too complicated for my own good. Still too many ideas. Guess I'm a hopeless romantic that still hasn't grown up, cuz not enough bitterness. Maybe my current date, if she decides to become my girlfriend or even get married, will kick that out of me. But I doubt it; she's the same way. If she wasn't, she'd be married already.

My hometown? Shit, i can't recognize some places anymore. The New Oriental where me and my buddies crammed GRE? Used to be hidden in an alley on top of a small hill. Now theres a huge gate. The long rides by bus across the bridge or ferries? Replaced by cross-river subway tunnels. The streets behind the university we called 堕落街 (hedonistic avenue) because it had alot of bars, internet cafes and clubs? Nice and clean now. shit, kids these days barely go to internet cafes. Still remember me and my girlfriend riding to the end of the bus line, just thinking about shit, or me lying on a bench smoking, trying to look cool and getting the ash blown back into my face. When my family first bought a real house, the neighborhood was still a permanent construction zone. Now? Nice and finished with gardens 2nd to last time I went back, then the gardens got polluted when I went back again.

Lots of good memories. Some of it is applicable to today's China, not all.

 

[Yizhi]

@cnleio @Yizhi @AndrewJin

By now, China has 84946 km of expressways in operation, longest in the world. Yet China will continue to build in order to cater for ever increasing fleet of vehicles and demand from particularly in-land provinces.

List of countries by length of expressways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - Country - Total network length of all motorways (km)

1) China 84,946
2) United States 76,334
3) Russia 39,143
4) Canada 17,000
5) Spain 16,205
6) Germany 12,800
7) France 11,416
8) Brazil 11,000
9) Japan 7,803
10) Italy 6,700
11) Mexico 6,144
12) South Korea 4,044
13) Saudi Arabia 3,891
14) United Kingdom 3,519
15) Thailand 2,885
16) Netherlands 2,758
17) Chile 2,653
18) Portugal 2,613
19) Poland 2,418
20) Cyprus 2,277
21) Iraq 2,227
22) Pakistan 2,225
23) Turkey 2,127
24) Argentina 2,000
25) Iran 1,948
26) Oman 1,943
27) South Africa 1,927
28) Sweden 1,913
29) Malaysia 1,821
30) Switzerland 1,809
31) Belgium 1,756
32) Austria 1,719
33) Australia 1,700
34) Hungary 1,477
35) Algeria 1,300
36) Venezuela 1,256
37) Croatia 1,254
38) Czech Republic 1,242
39) India 1,208
40) Morocco 1,194
41) Denmark 1,143
42) Syria 1,103
43) Greece 1,091
44) Ireland 1,017
45) Egypt 988
46) Slovenia 769
47) Belarus 750
48) Taiwan 720
49) Finland 700
50) Romania 680
51) Cuba 638
52) Bulgaria 625
53) Bhutan 622
54) Serbia 618
55) Puerto Rico 454
56) Israel 449
57) Kuwait 420
58) Slovakia 417
59) Norway 393
60) Uzbekistan 332
61) El Salvador 327
62) Lithuania 312
63) Peru 276
64) Libya 262
65) Tunisia 262
66) Macedonia 259
67) United Arab Emirates 253
68) Uruguay 252
69) Cameroon 240
70) Ukraine 200
71) Sri Lanka 180
72) New Zealand 172
73) Albania 170
74) Cote d'Ivoire 162
75) Singapore 161
76) Kenya 153
77) Luxembourg 152
78) Lebanon 145
79) Bosnia and Herzegovina 130
80) Estonia 115
81) Myanmar 101
82) Vietnam 100
83) Guatemala 75
84) Mauritius 75
85) Zambia 50
86) Iceland 37
87) Ghana 35
88) Jamaica 33
89) Bahrain 30
90) Gabon 30
91) Guinea Bissau 15
92) Georgia 13
93) Senegal 7

as a 'coastal troll' and a fan of road trips, expressways are crucial to my daily activities and travel fun in SZ. i would say the rather developed Canton area is still in need of more roads and expressways for the growing automobile population.

the biggest parking lot in South China:
Guangzhou-Shenzhen Expressway traffic...

......this is not fun.

 

[AndrewJin]

@cnleio @Yizhi @AndrewJin

By now, China has 84946 km of expressways in operation, longest in the world. Yet China will continue to build in order to cater for ever increasing fleet of vehicles and demand from particularly in-land provinces.

View attachment 206186

List of countries by length of expressways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - Country - Total network length of all motorways (km)

1) China 84,946
2) United States 76,334
3) Russia 39,143
4) Canada 17,000
5) Spain 16,205
6) Germany 12,800
7) France 11,416
8) Brazil 11,000
9) Japan 7,803
10) Italy 6,700
11) Mexico 6,144
12) South Korea 4,044
13) Saudi Arabia 3,891
14) United Kingdom 3,519
15) Thailand 2,885
16) Netherlands 2,758
17) Chile 2,653
18) Portugal 2,613
19) Poland 2,418
20) Cyprus 2,277
21) Iraq 2,227
22) Pakistan 2,225
23) Turkey 2,127
24) Argentina 2,000
25) Iran 1,948
26) Oman 1,943
27) South Africa 1,927
28) Sweden 1,913
29) Malaysia 1,821
30) Switzerland 1,809
31) Belgium 1,756
32) Austria 1,719
33) Australia 1,700
34) Hungary 1,477
35) Algeria 1,300
36) Venezuela 1,256
37) Croatia 1,254
38) Czech Republic 1,242
39) India 1,208
40) Morocco 1,194
41) Denmark 1,143
42) Syria 1,103
43) Greece 1,091
44) Ireland 1,017
45) Egypt 988
46) Slovenia 769
47) Belarus 750
48) Taiwan 720
49) Finland 700
50) Romania 680
51) Cuba 638
52) Bulgaria 625
53) Bhutan 622
54) Serbia 618
55) Puerto Rico 454
56) Israel 449
57) Kuwait 420
58) Slovakia 417
59) Norway 393
60) Uzbekistan 332
61) El Salvador 327
62) Lithuania 312
63) Peru 276
64) Libya 262
65) Tunisia 262
66) Macedonia 259
67) United Arab Emirates 253
68) Uruguay 252
69) Cameroon 240
70) Ukraine 200
71) Sri Lanka 180
72) New Zealand 172
73) Albania 170
74) Cote d'Ivoire 162
75) Singapore 161
76) Kenya 153
77) Luxembourg 152
78) Lebanon 145
79) Bosnia and Herzegovina 130
80) Estonia 115
81) Myanmar 101
82) Vietnam 100
83) Guatemala 75
84) Mauritius 75
85) Zambia 50
86) Iceland 37
87) Ghana 35
88) Jamaica 33
89) Bahrain 30
90) Gabon 30
91) Guinea Bissau 15
92) Georgia 13
93) Senegal 7

If an expressway is a controlled-access highway, then this list is exaggerating some nations' number.
Controlled-access highway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Controlled-access highway in China, approximately 112,000 km by the end of 2014.

National Expressway Network
p.s. national doesn't mean better, costal trolls will tell this point by showing their provincial
expressways

National+Provincial
dark yellow is expressway, light yellow is some national highways(are not controlled-access)

I am from Wuhan.

Alot has changed in just 5 years since I left for university then grad school. Even the culture changes fast. I'll never forget how nervous I was back in 2008, on a train to Beijing to meet my first internet girlfriend who was in my kindergarden (!) and was reintroduced just a few months before. Still remember how she opened my box of Belgian chocolate that I worked my *** off to buy, only to find it was starting to melt, so we shared it. Fast forward a few years; I broke up with my first girlfriend, even dated a girl way younger than me, and now I'm dating a girl my age because we're already too damn old and just want to settle down. She complains about back pain, thats how old we are lol. I even learned the concept of dating in these years - that awkward stage of the relationship between being friends and being boyfriends/girlfriends. Used to be confused by it. I used to think I was shy, now? Shyness is for boys, not men.

Alot of popular vocabulary I used back in 2010, isn't even in use anymore. I don't recognize alot of the new music stars; hell, some of them are younger than me now. The girl classmates who wore tank tops, no bra, during the summer because it was too hot and yelled at us "看什么看，又不是AV上没见过“ (the hell you looking at, its not like you haven't seen it in p*** before) ? Mostly bitter at men, tired of life working shitty jobs and either alone or with guys that treat them like trash. The guys that chilled with me in the internet cafe yelling ”草你妈的能不能认真点玩儿“ (motherf*** can't you just pay attention) at the screen for losing in DOTA? Mostly bitter at women, tired of life working shitty jobs and either alone or with girls that don't love them. Definitely no more DOTA. Me? They all say I haven't changed. I still get mad at injustices, still have my feelings on my face, still bright and cheerful and think about things too complicated for my own good. Still too many ideas. Guess I'm a hopeless romantic that still hasn't grown up, cuz not enough bitterness. Maybe my current date, if she decides to become my girlfriend or even get married, will kick that out of me. But I doubt it; she's the same way. If she wasn't, she'd be married already.

My hometown? Shit, i can't recognize some places anymore. The New Oriental where me and my buddies crammed GRE? Used to be hidden in an alley on top of a small hill. Now theres a huge gate. The long rides by bus across the bridge or ferries? Replaced by cross-river subway tunnels. The streets behind the university we called 堕落街 (hedonistic avenue) because it had alot of bars, internet cafes and clubs? Nice and clean now. shit, kids these days barely go to internet cafes. Still remember me and my girlfriend riding to the end of the bus line, just thinking about shit, or me lying on a bench smoking, trying to look cool and getting the ash blown back into my face. When my family first bought a real house, the neighborhood was still a permanent construction zone. Now? Nice and finished with gardens 2nd to last time I went back, then the gardens got polluted when I went back again.

Lots of good memories. Some of it is applicable to today's China, not all.

your story is much better than our photos!
堕落街？华中科技大学？
Wuhan is a total different city to me every time I go home.
I vividly remember my first time going to college 1000km away. it seemed so far. And also my first Spring Festival travel rush experience back home, I always think life without Spring Festival travel rush experience is not life at all.

The second year, a new HSR line linking Wuhan was open and also a lot of new lines ever since. There is no distance between Wuhan and where I study. Out transport is totally changed, so is our life!

as a 'coastal troll' and a fan of road trips, expressways are crucial to my daily activities and travel fun in SZ. i would say the rather developed Canton area is still in need of more roads and expressways for the growing automobile population.

the biggest parking lot in South China:
Guangzhou-Shenzhen Expressway traffic...

......this is not fun.

That's why u guys need more intercity HSR lines, at least 5 between Guangzhou to Shenzhen. Now 2 HSR lines and 1 old line.

 

[cnleio]

@cnleio @Yizhi @AndrewJin

By now, China has 84946 km of expressways in operation, longest in the world. Yet China will continue to build in order to cater for ever increasing fleet of vehicles and demand from particularly in-land provinces.

View attachment 206186

List of countries by length of expressways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - Country - Total network length of all motorways (km)

1) China 84,946
2) United States 76,334
3) Russia 39,143
4) Canada 17,000
5) Spain 16,205
6) Germany 12,800
7) France 11,416
8) Brazil 11,000
9) Japan 7,803
10) Italy 6,700
11) Mexico 6,144
12) South Korea 4,044
13) Saudi Arabia 3,891
14) United Kingdom 3,519
15) Thailand 2,885
16) Netherlands 2,758
17) Chile 2,653
18) Portugal 2,613
19) Poland 2,418
20) Cyprus 2,277
21) Iraq 2,227
22) Pakistan 2,225
23) Turkey 2,127
24) Argentina 2,000
25) Iran 1,948
26) Oman 1,943
27) South Africa 1,927
28) Sweden 1,913
29) Malaysia 1,821
30) Switzerland 1,809
31) Belgium 1,756
32) Austria 1,719
33) Australia 1,700
34) Hungary 1,477
35) Algeria 1,300
36) Venezuela 1,256
37) Croatia 1,254
38) Czech Republic 1,242
39) India 1,208
40) Morocco 1,194
41) Denmark 1,143
42) Syria 1,103
43) Greece 1,091
44) Ireland 1,017
45) Egypt 988
46) Slovenia 769
47) Belarus 750
48) Taiwan 720
49) Finland 700
50) Romania 680
51) Cuba 638
52) Bulgaria 625
53) Bhutan 622
54) Serbia 618
55) Puerto Rico 454
56) Israel 449
57) Kuwait 420
58) Slovakia 417
59) Norway 393
60) Uzbekistan 332
61) El Salvador 327
62) Lithuania 312
63) Peru 276
64) Libya 262
65) Tunisia 262
66) Macedonia 259
67) United Arab Emirates 253
68) Uruguay 252
69) Cameroon 240
70) Ukraine 200
71) Sri Lanka 180
72) New Zealand 172
73) Albania 170
74) Cote d'Ivoire 162
75) Singapore 161
76) Kenya 153
77) Luxembourg 152
78) Lebanon 145
79) Bosnia and Herzegovina 130
80) Estonia 115
81) Myanmar 101
82) Vietnam 100
83) Guatemala 75
84) Mauritius 75
85) Zambia 50
86) Iceland 37
87) Ghana 35
88) Jamaica 33
89) Bahrain 30
90) Gabon 30
91) Guinea Bissau 15
92) Georgia 13
93) Senegal 7

More cars, more highways; more highways, more cars ... sell more cheaper, more ppl buy cars ... more companies building automobiles,more ppl work ... GDP Up ↑

 

[Shotgunner51]

Long long way to go, I think we need 200,000 km at least.
But 84,000 km? It was 2011 figure!!
Now 112,000 km
中国高速公路_百度百科

And that China not just has the biggest more also the newest, best quality network of expressways.

Hangzhou Bay Bridge, operational since 1st May 2008, length 36 km, investment RMB 11.8 billion

Qingda0 Bay Bridge, operational since 30th June 2011, length 36.48 km, investment RMB 9.04 billion

Hong Kong Zhuhai Macau Bridge, under construction, length 49.968 km, investment RMB 72 billion


Yeah bro, compared to small but developed countries like Germany and Japan, we still have way to go, 200,000 km is minimum requirement. Anyway China is still a country in developing, relax bro! And have confidence, China produces more cement than rest of the world combined. That's a support to our civil engineers!

More expressways, bridges, tunnels, HSR, airports, sea ports .... Chinese needs a lot more!

 

[AndrewJin]

COSTAL TROLLS
Listen! It seems that our poor inland province doesn't have Expressways.
We are poor, but we have enough money for mere roads!
The most difficult expressway in the world, Hubei section of G42 & G50

old deadly road vs new

 

[AndrewJin]

as a 'coastal troll' and a fan of road trips, expressways are crucial to my daily activities and travel fun in SZ. i would say the rather developed Canton area is still in need of more roads and expressways for the growing automobile population.

the biggest parking lot in South China:
Guangzhou-Shenzhen Expressway traffic...

......this is not fun.

Shenzhener! Our expressway may not have that many lanes and be used as "parking lot", but we do have bitter expressway congestion too!

 

[Shotgunner51]

COSTAL TROLLS
Listen! It seems that our poor inland province doesn't have Expressways.
We are poor, but we have enough money for mere roads!
The most difficult expressway in the world, Hubei section of G42 & G50

old deadly road vs new
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LOL ... in-land troll brother you are always my man ...
Amazing pics, that bridge was like a mile above ground level