How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

[Jlaw]

Development is the greatest human rights violation, the West's sacred human right to force its will on other countries economically and militarily.

I think intentionally keeping other countries poor

Development is the greatest human rights violation, the West's sacred human right to force its will on other countries economically and militarily.

Do you mean not allowing countries to develop is human rights violation?

 

[TheTruth]

Sorry, I didn't understand. Why development?

All other countries are required by natural law to be poor and vulnerable so white Westerners can take what they please, when they please. This is why "human rights" defenders hate countries that are in the process of developing.

I think intentionally keeping other countries poor

Do you mean not allowing countries to develop is human rights violation?

China is violating the white West's human right to bomb other countries at will, rewrite history, rape, steal and kill

 

[Azizam]

All other countries are required by natural law to be poor and vulnerable so white Westerners can take what they please, when they please. This is why "human rights" defenders hate countries that are in the process of developing.



China is violating the white West's human right to bomb other countries at will, rewrite history, rape, steal and kill

You are correct in some ways but I don't want to ruin the thread. Even I enjoy it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Hanzhong, politically, belongs to the west, without doubt.
But regions south to Qin Mountains are actually belong to Southern China, geographically and culturally.


You can also check the innovation of SOE, no worse than private at all.
SOE=no independence? Private=independence?
You can't mix these notions.
One can say SOE before reforms had not independence or competitiveness, that's why they need reforms.

Northeast China stronk !!!

Changchun


Shenyang

Harbin


role playing 'Northeast inland troll' for a while...

alot of my friend are northeasterners. My best friend is from Changchun. My personality is such that I can't stand people from Shanghai/Jiangsu/Zhejiang or even Sichuan, since they're not so straightforward. I'm too lazy to guess your meaning so tell me straight! I'm too straightforward for my own good, so most of my friends are from central (Hubei, Hunan), north (Shandong, Beijing) and northeast (Jilin, Liaoning), since they're more similar.

State owned is not a unique characteristic of CPC. You got to read the cored values of communism. Now the government is great of course, but real communists will dislike. If CPC is pragmatic, then changing name is also pragmatic to meet people's need. I don't see much difference among the current administration, Taiwan before democratization and Singapore.

The core values of communism is public ownership of the factors of production and promotion of modernity, with the eventual goal of eliminating legal and social inequalities in all forms (gender, race, wealth). All three are explicit goals of the government. That is why every socialist government has had huge movements devoted to promoting women's rights and land redistribution, while giving minorities affirmative action. Do note that liberal democracy actually does very similar things.

The difference between the current government, Taiwan/Singapore/Japan, etc. is exactly this core value; the governments of those places do not explicitly promote modernity, modernity was imposed on them by the West. Chinese modernity has not been imposed on us by the west and that is why we still think differently than westerners, while alot of Taiwanese and Singaporeans think exactly like Westerners. The governments of Taiwan/Singapore/Japan do not have elimination of inequality in all forms as a goal; indeed, it can be said that racial and gender discrimination is encouraged, or at least tolerated. And finally, some of them have public ownership as a tool for certain sectors, but not in majority sectors, and the final goal is privatization.

 

[xuxu1457]

the rapid development of the past 35 years，every Chinese life become better and better, not only the city but also rural area，a general small vallige with 400 villagers in Shandong Province（in north China, not rich area）,every home has a Residential land about 17.5m*13m for free, my home is only a general home on my village, I started to work in 2014.11 in another province.

My grandma's(my mother's mother) old house, and I often played there 25 years ago when I was a child, and no one lived in the house since 20 years ago:

My home's house before 1990 just like this:

In 1990,my home rebuild a new house at cost 12000 Yuan, its pic(in 1990 only included the house(North house also was called main house in China 坐北朝南) in the pic not include other house) is:

In 2002，my home built the south house and the wall at cost 30000 Yuan:

In 2013.08, my home rebuilt the main house at cost 160000 Yuan, and became now's my home:

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Love Shandong. Your food though... that is why I learned to cook.

 

[TheTruth]

Nice solar heaters!

 

[cnleio]

the rapid development of the past 35 years，every Chinese life become better and better, not only the city but also rural area，a general small vallige with 400 villagers in Shandong Province（in north China, not rich area）,every home has a Residential land about 17.5m*13m for free, my home is only a general home on my village, I started to work in 2014.11 in another province.

My grandma's(my mother's mother) old house, and I often played there 25 years ago when I was a child, and no one lived in the house since 20 years ago:
View attachment 207131 My home's house before 1990 just like this:
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In 1990,my home rebuild a new house at cost 12000 Yuan, its pic(in 1990 only included the house(North house also was called main house in China 坐北朝南) in the pic not include other house) is:
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In 2002，my home built the south house and the wall at cost 30000 Yuan:
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In 2013.08, my home rebuilt the main house at cost 160000 Yuan, and became now's my home:
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The biggest change in Chinese village, i think it's many Chinese villagers/farmers start to buy cars even in China rural area ... is it right ?

Compared with our poor guys living in the city, living cost in village is much cheaper and u have lands to grow food or work outside ... so can save many money to pay for car.

 

[xuxu1457]

The biggest change in Chinese village, i think it's many Chinese villagers/farmers start to buy cars even in China rural area ... is it right ?

Compared with our poor guys living in the city, living cost in village is much cheaper and u have lands to grow food or work outside ... so can save many money to pay for a car.

Yes many villagers started to by car, this is my Hutong, the first left house is my home

 

[Aepsilons]

the rapid development of the past 35 years，every Chinese life become better and better, not only the city but also rural area，a general small vallige with 400 villagers in Shandong Province（in north China, not rich area）,every home has a Residential land about 17.5m*13m for free, my home is only a general home on my village, I started to work in 2014.11 in another province.

My grandma's(my mother's mother) old house, and I often played there 25 years ago when I was a child, and no one lived in the house since 20 years ago:
View attachment 207131 My home's house before 1990 just like this:
View attachment 207132
In 1990,my home rebuild a new house at cost 12000 Yuan, its pic(in 1990 only included the house(North house also was called main house in China 坐北朝南) in the pic not include other house) is:
View attachment 207134
In 2002，my home built the south house and the wall at cost 30000 Yuan:
View attachment 207135
In 2013.08, my home rebuilt the main house at cost 160000 Yuan, and became now's my home:
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This is Niseko, Hokkaido. My family have a winter house here, and its considered a rural town in the north of the country. The people in Niseko are fairly well to do, the profits from the farm as well as tourism offsets the cost of living. But yes, this is a typical village house / home in Niseko:

yes, some 'villagers' own large homes like these.


interior view:

Yes many villagers started to by car, this is my Hutong, the first left house is my homeView attachment 207161

Very nice! @xuxu1457 --- aren't you a teacher by profession? What is the salary range of a teacher in China, now?

the rapid development of the past 35 years，every Chinese life become better and better, not only the city but also rural area，a general small vallige with 400 villagers in Shandong Province（in north China, not rich area）,every home has a Residential land about 17.5m*13m for free, my home is only a general home on my village, I started to work in 2014.11 in another province.

My grandma's(my mother's mother) old house, and I often played there 25 years ago when I was a child, and no one lived in the house since 20 years ago:
View attachment 207131 My home's house before 1990 just like this:
View attachment 207132
In 1990,my home rebuild a new house at cost 12000 Yuan, its pic(in 1990 only included the house(North house also was called main house in China 坐北朝南) in the pic not include other house) is:
View attachment 207134
In 2002，my home built the south house and the wall at cost 30000 Yuan:
View attachment 207135
In 2013.08, my home rebuilt the main house at cost 160000 Yuan, and became now's my home:
View attachment 207143

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Wow! It really developed, buddy. You guys did a great job developing your home !

 

[cnleio]

This is Niseko, Hokkaido. My family have a winter house here, and its considered a rural town in the north of the country. The people in Niseko are fairly well to do, the profits from the farm as well as tourism offsets the cost of living. But yes, this is a typical village house / home in Niseko:


View attachment 207160 yes, some 'villagers' own large homes like these.


interior view:

Such house in China should called “别墅/Villa” ... few rich family can enjoy it. If living in China cities, it's impossible ... if in China villages, might can see such big house but less interior decoration.

 

[xuxu1457]

This is Niseko, Hokkaido. My family have a winter house here, and its considered a rural town in the north of the country. The people in Niseko are fairly well to do, the profits from the farm as well as tourism offsets the cost of living. But yes, this is a typical village house / home in Niseko:


View attachment 207160 yes, some 'villagers' own large homes like these.


interior view:

Very nice! @xuxu1457 --- aren't you a teacher by profession? What is the salary range of a teacher in China, now?

As a new teacher, my salary is about 100000Yuan per year, we have many road to walk compared with general Japanese life level

 

[Yizhi]

Jilin!! Beautiful city, buddy. And as for Changbai Mountains...have you gone hiking there by any chance?

a must for NE troll....
road trips, then hiking in Changbai Mountain area and finally reached the Heaven Lake.

the route we took was driving along the China-NK border Yalu River from down stream all the way up to Changbai Mountain. NE Chinese & Korean foods of local small towns and villages were super delicious!....also great hospitality from locals.

Changbaishan National Nature Reserve travel guide - Wikitravel
Changbai Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

天池 Heaven Lake, it's a crater lake half in China half in NK. Heaven Lake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now one can visit Changbai Mountain from 3 slopes, North, West and South (i think the East is in NK...). the route i recommend is South slope above including some beautiful valleys outside the Changbai Reserve.

十五道沟 NO. 15 Valley (望天鹅 Wangtian'e) scenery, perfect for hiking:

alot of my friend are northeasterners. My best friend is from Changchun. My personality is such that I can't stand people from Shanghai/Jiangsu/Zhejiang or even Sichuan, since they're not so straightforward. I'm too lazy to guess your meaning so tell me straight! I'm too straightforward for my own good, so most of my friends are from central (Hubei, Hunan), north (Shandong, Beijing) and northeast (Jilin, Liaoning), since they're more similar.

i get your point NE people are much more straightforward though i'm partially Canton-ized already...

and lots of NE people like my family were immigrants of Shandong origin in early 20th century. speaking of which, i can be a Shandong troll posting Qingdao pics too....lol.

 

[Aepsilons]

Such house in China should called “别墅/Villa” ... few rich family can enjoy it. Living In China cities, it's impossible ... in China villages, might can see such big house but less interior decoration.

For me, i am a country boy (rural boy) at heart, bro. I love life in the village, or close to the nature. I agree with you in regards to cost of living differences from city to rural. For example, my family home , its located in a rural suburb of Sapporo --- we have a 5 bedroom house, it is fairly large, and we have a 3 acre yard. The cost of our property + house , given its location, would be around $450,000 (US Dollars), but to own or buy a house of the same size say in downtown Sapporo , or even in larger cities like Yokohama, Tokyo, Kyoto, Saitama, Maizuru etc --- maybe it would be worth $1.5 million - $2 million (US Dollars). And then you have to pay exorbitant property tax, lol!

There is as saying in Tokyo, "Live in big house, but eat small food!!!!" LOL!

This is why i will never live in the city. Maybe in suburbs, or if possible, in a farm town !

As a new teacher, my salary is about 100000Yuan per year, we have many road to walk compared with general Japanese life levelView attachment 207165

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Really? That much eh? You're really well paid compared to the average, great job, man ! Same, in Japan average teacher makes around $40,000 - $45,000 a year. Which is very good. Especially if man and wife are both teachers -- combined income can hit $100,000 + a year. That's a very good lifestyle, and can provide a lot for the couple and kids.

 

[xuxu1457]

For me, i am a country boy (rural boy) at heart, bro. I love life in the village, or close to the nature. I agree with you in regards to cost of living differences from city to rural. For example, my family home , its located in a rural suburb of Sapporo --- we have a 5 bedroom house, it is fairly large, and we have a 3 acre yard. The cost of our property + house , given its location, would be around $450,000 (US Dollars), but to own or buy a house of the same size say in downtown Sapporo , or even in larger cities like Yokohama, Tokyo, Kyoto, Saitama, Maizuru etc --- maybe it would be worth $1.5 million - $2 million (US Dollars). And then you have to pay exorbitant property tax, lol!

There is as saying in Tokyo, "Live in big house, but eat small food!!!!" LOL!

This is why i will never live in the city. Maybe in suburbs, or if possible, in a farm town !




Really? That much eh? You're really well paid compared to the average, great job, man ! Same, in Japan average teacher makes around $40,000 - $45,000 a year. Which is very good. Especially if man and wife are both teachers -- combined income can hit $100,000 + a year. That's a very good lifestyle, and can provide a lot for the couple and kids.

Yes, I started to work in 2014.11 in another province, and buy a house about 103m^2 at cost 500000Yuan(70% load from bank), city house price is more expensive than village in every country