How can Pakistan counter India’s ABM system?

[randomradio]

S400 is primarily a SAM, not BMD. So, S400 is not enough either. India is only trying to augment air defence as much as it can. The idea is to completely deny cruise missiles and aircrafts while partially defending against ballistic missiles

The S-400 is a SAM as well as BMD. The 40N6 can do everything the currently deployed THAAD can. It is capable of stopping all kinds of MRBMs that have ranges up to 3500Km and speeds up to 5Km/s.

So pretty much every Pak ballistic missile can be stopped by the S-400.

 

[Sanwal Abbasi]

The S-400 is a SAM as well as BMD. The 40N6 can do everything the currently deployed THAAD can. It is capable of stopping all kinds of MRBMs that have ranges up to 3500Km and speeds up to 5Km/s.

So pretty much every Pak ballistic missile can be stopped by the S-400.

After U.S. Strikes Syrian Air Base, Russians Ask: 'Where Were Our Vaunted Air Defense Systems?'

 

[randomradio]

After U.S. Strikes Syrian Air Base, Russians Ask: 'Where Were Our Vaunted Air Defense Systems?'

The Russians did not engage NATO.

 

[Maarkhoor]

So pretty much every Pak ballistic missile can be stopped by the S-400.

Ooh no we are doomed....by S-400 but wait ...where is S-400? did Uncle Sam allowed you to purchase it? as soon as India confirm the order US will stop arms sale to India...which means you people are doomed not us

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

After U.S. Strikes Syrian Air Base, Russians Ask: 'Where Were Our Vaunted Air Defense Systems?'

Ooh no we are doomed....by S-400 but wait ...where is S-400? did Uncle Sam allowed you to purchase it? as soon as India confirm the order US will stop arms sale to India...which means you people are doomed not us

S400 can shoot down all cruise missiles and planes. Even Indian Akash missile can shoot down cruise missiles and planes.

S400 can't shoot down ballistic missiles. Also, India is not going to get S400 in large numbers. So, the indigenous weapons are the final resort. India can't stop all ballistic missile but the BMD system of India can stop most of the short range missiles of Pakistan

 

[randomradio]

S400 can shoot down all cruise missiles and planes. Even Indian Akash missile can shoot down cruise missiles and planes.

S400 can't shoot down ballistic missiles. Also, India is not going to get S400 in large numbers. So, the indigenous weapons are the final resort. India can't stop all ballistic missile but the BMD system of India can stop most of the short range missiles of Pakistan

https://fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-400.htm
And the anti-missile capability of the system has been increased to the limits established by the ABM Treaty demarcation agreements -- it can intercept targets with velocities of up to 4.8 km/sec, corresponding to a ballistic missile range of 3,500 km.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/russia-inducts-new-s-400-missile-air-defense-system/
One of the S-400’s new missiles is the so-called 40N6 SAM with an estimated operational range of 400 kilometers (248.5 miles) and an altitude of up to 185 kilometers (607,000 feet). The missile is reportedly capable of exo-atmospheric interception of intermediate-range ballistic missile warheads in their terminal phase.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

S400 is reportedly capable not designed for interception of ballistic missiles. One does not now for sure how accurate is the missile in intercepting ballistic missiles.

Also, ballistic missile are fast and can be used in a saturation attack. So, this can't be intercepted

https://fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-400.htm
And the anti-missile capability of the system has been increased to the limits established by the ABM Treaty demarcation agreements -- it can intercept targets with velocities of up to 4.8 km/sec, corresponding to a ballistic missile range of 3,500 km.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/russia-inducts-new-s-400-missile-air-defense-system/
One of the S-400’s new missiles is the so-called 40N6 SAM with an estimated operational range of 400 kilometers (248.5 miles) and an altitude of up to 185 kilometers (607,000 feet). The missile is reportedly capable of exo-atmospheric interception of intermediate-range ballistic missile warheads in their terminal phase.

 

[randomradio]

S400 is reportedly capable not designed for interception of ballistic missiles. One does not now for sure how accurate is the missile in intercepting ballistic missiles.

Also, ballistic missile are fast and can be used in a saturation attack. So, this can't be intercepted

The S-400 can intercept any ballistic missile that is fired from 3500Km away. Whether it actually will stop Pakistani missiles is obviously not tested, but it has been tested against similar Russian test missiles.

The fact that the 40N6 can reach altitudes of 185Km is proof that it has been purpose designed to stop ballistic missiles using exo-atmospheric intercept. It's in the same class as THAAD and India's PDV.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

there is no technology to detect this aircraft

 

[FuturePAF]

1. First launch physical or cyber attacks on the C4ISR; especially the radars of the enemy
2. Launch missiles from unexpected areas (at sea with small but multiple SLBMs; similar to the Indian K-15)
3. Use higher thrust/energy rocket motors (using lighter carbon-fiber casings) to get the missile up to a high speed quickly, so the warhead can use the energy for terminal manuerving
4. launch decoys upon re-entry
5. finally use glide warheads that change direction multiple times upon re-entry

do this with a large enough number of missiles and it will overwhelm the enemy ABM systems, how many missiles can any system be expected to detect, track, and intercept when under such an attack.

p.s. the question is how can it be done, being able to afford this is a separate matter, so please don't use that as a reason this can't be done.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

More stealther airframes for our babur type cruse missiles. longer range mirved ballistic missiles with decoys

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Any news of good turbofans for our cruise @The Deterrent

 

[Path-Finder]

Supposedly meant for navy but seems like a great concept.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

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Supposedly meant for navy but seems like a great concept.

Looks costly.

 

[FuturePAF]

The S-400 can intercept any ballistic missile that is fired from 3500Km away. Whether it actually will stop Pakistani missiles is obviously not tested, but it has been tested against similar Russian test missiles.

The fact that the 40N6 can reach altitudes of 185Km is proof that it has been purpose designed to stop ballistic missiles using exo-atmospheric intercept. It's in the same class as THAAD and India's PDV.

Some Limitations of the S-400 From an Indian Source
https://theprint.in/security/bustin...00-indias-latest-military-acquisition/130479/

First off all; the actual batteries can be targeted many ways. if based closed to the border; they can be struck with rocket artillery with some enhancements for more accuracy like this Korean system
http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/4783243_original-1024x665.jpg

engagements based on the above Indian article state are limited to 240 km out and an altitude of 27 km. A MARV warhead for the shorter range missiles or hypersonic gliding warheads that maneuver upon re-entry could overwhelm the missiles in a battery.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d81d2c8a5c17382cabec8397180f5d99-c

Pakistan looks to be going for cruise missiles and enhancing the Shaheen III/Ababeel

If Pakistan changes the bus on the Ababeel and goes for the Chevaline Antelope/Impala decoy and warhead method, it would have two real warhead and 27 "hard" decoys; both exo-atmospheric and endo-atmospheric that follow the warhead(s) all the way to the target, along with chaff to confuse the enemy radar. how many s-400 missiles, and what ever system else lower down will be used up to counter just one missile. Pakistan would use at least dozens if not over a hundred such missiles in a strike, if the need to built them become nessecary.

http://www.loneflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/chevaline.jpg
https://blog.firedrake.org/archive/2017/03/P1050680.jpg
http://www.loneflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/minuteman.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline

As for Cruise Missiles, Pakistan can buy or build the GB-06, or Turkish Cruise missiles
https://quwa.org/2016/05/17/turkish-strike-arsenal/
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/2014/11/jf-17-thunder-to-armed-with-cm-102-anti.html
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YkXtArcu00c/VGiUBOohlfI/AAAAAAAAkjA/H6_7AB28qcQ/s1600/China+CM-102+air+to+surface+ARM+anti+radiation+missile+ZhuHai+Air+Show,+range+100km+7m+fc-1+JF-17+thunder+pakistan+j-10abcds+jh-10+fighter+jet+(4).jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1VMreTQMzVI/VGiUCFnnrtI/AAAAAAAAkjI/CpzHVIwss9o/s1600/China+CM-102+air+to+surface+ARM+anti+radiation+missile+ZhuHai+Air+Show,+range+100km+7m+fc-1+JF-17+thunder+pakistan+j-10abcds+jh-10+fighter+jet+(3).jpg

Finally, Pakistan can build and operate hundreds of drones (with RCS similar to the PAF aircraft) near the border on a regular basis alongside normal fighters during operations. How would the IAF know for sure what is a fighter and what is a drone from hundreds of miles away. would they want to waste their missiles on what could be a dummy target

This following system is something the PAF officially mentioned at the Royal Tatoo when it came with its C-130.
https://defense-update.com/20170317_gremlins.html