How can India help Pakistan?

[Kaniska]

Come on man...I think India need a help to herself first by removal of this puppet corrupt regime in center..When we are not in a situation to help ourselves what about helping others....Might be this retired general want to fight any panchayat election in a minority dominated constituency..so he is creating platform for it..

 

[third eye]

Believe it or not, despite all the rough weather between the two neighbors, China notwithstanding, India is/will always be the most trust worthy partner Pakistan can ever find. China sees Pakistan basically as a counter to India, as a stepping stone to the CARs and as a source for natural resources. I dont see any other Chinese vision for Pakistan. India, OTOH, sees Pakistan (the people and its civilian government) as a part of extended family, albeit estranged ATM.

Pakistan has been meddling in Kashmir for a long time. Its military, unaccountable to the very people it professes to protect, indulges in activities/follows policies which are detrimental to security in India and to the Pakistani people themselves. That is the real bone of contention between the two neighbors. Pakistani establishment needs to clean up its act. No other way around it.

That being said, Pakistan stands to gain much by fostering better relations with India by giving up its India centric, counterporductive policies. India has been and will keep growing economically/militarily, despite of being neighbors with Pakistan. Its up to Pakistan to embrace India and share the economic dividends. Frankly, years of Chinese "all weather friendship" has done nothing for Pakistan.

That being said, India stands to gain a lot by securing a secure, prosperous future for Pakistan and by extrapolation Afghanistan. Political stability in Pakistan, helping foster a mature democracy there will ensure better security and stability in this part of the world.

Point taken

But so long as the Military remains in control help from India in any form or measure will not be allowed to be seen in its correct perspective.

Pak has past the stage to ever become a stable & mature democracy. It has to help itself .

 

[Agni5000]

We have load of problems here in India. It will take 100yrs to solve ours. No help to pakistan. Stable pakistan is not good for India.

 

[drunken-monke]

We have load of problems here in India. It will take 100yrs to solve ours. No help to pakistan. Stable pakistan is not good for India.

You are wrong. A stable Pakistan is always in India's Interest. There is much more beyond enemities between two countries. You might not be knowing when you had Pakistani sugar in your tea or they might not be knowing when they has indian vegetables or medicine they had. Stable Pakistan means, Economic development and cooperation between both the countries, democracy in Pakistan, civillian hold over internal policy of Pakistan, education rather than radicalism in Pakistan, and Most importantly mutual trust between both nations.

regards

 

[Tanna Tanni]

You are wrong. A stable Pakistan is always in India's Interest.

^^^ All hail the Nehruvian Wagha Kandle Kisser

 

[Agni5000]

You are wrong. A stable Pakistan is always in India's Interest. There is much more beyond enemities between two countries. You might not be knowing when you had Pakistani sugar in your tea or they might not be knowing when they has indian vegetables or medicine they had. Stable Pakistan means, Economic development and cooperation, democracy, civillian hold over internal policy, education rather than radicalism, and Most importantly mutual trust.

That is a biggest myth. The moment pakistan economically better off, starts thinking of kashmir. Destabalize India. It is our interest to keep pakistan busy with its own problem for foreseeable future.

 

[drunken-monke]

That is a biggest myth. The moment pakistan economically better off, starts thinking of kashmir. Destabalize India. It is our interest to keep pakistan busy with its own problem for foreseeable future.

Dont you think that the fire arrosed from this unstableness can even reach to India. (Remember Bangladesh 1971)

 

[Zarvan]

How can India help Pakistan? - The Economic Times

By: Gen Ashok K Mehta

The killing of Osama bin Laden has led to a political tsunami in Pakistan not seen since 1971. Pakistan's former National Security Advisor , Gen Mahmud Durrani has said India must hold Pakistan's hand in its hour of trial. What can India do to help? Do nothing to make matters worse by turning the knife.

We should continue the dialogue. India Pakistan relations are bad enough. But currently Pakistan-Afghanistan ties are no better. Pakistan has been accusing Afghanistan of ganging up with India to foment insurgencies in Balochistan and Fata. Specifically, it has charged India with using its consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar to train Baloch rebels and provide succour to Taliban in the Frontier region.

Islamabad has pulled up Kabul for encouraging activities inimical to it. This is the pot calling the kettle black. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's recent visit to Kabul has cleared the way to set the record straight with Pakistan on Afghanistan. The two could discuss how to cooperate rather than conflict in Afghanistan as they do in other multilateral fora, especially in UN peacekeeping.

Islamabad has fought the war on terrorism selectively despite periodic goading by the US to go after the Afghan Taliban in North Waziristan. Pakistan has told the US it does not have the resources since its forces are already overstretched.

According to the Australian Pakistan-Army specialist Col Brian Cloughley , It is neither the lack of capability nor intention but the fear that further depletion of troops from east to west will critically unbalance Pakistan Army facing India, which is enemy no 1.

In 2008 Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani briefed the Pakistan Parliament, the first time the Army had done so, on the scale and scope of counterinsurgency operations in Swat and Malakand divisions. The ownership of military operations appears settled and rests with the civilian government. Troops were first relocated from the east to west after 9/11 in the wake of the US-led war in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has two corps located astride the undemarcated Durand Line, one each at Quetta and Peshawar. Along with regulars, nearly 1,50,000 local militia are deployed. According to the Indian Army , Pakistan had redeployed almost three divisions of its forces from the Indian to the Afghan border.

At one stage, the assessment was that nearly 52% of its strike forces and 48% of the defensive elements had been relocated. Last year, testifying before Congress, outgoing defence secretary Robert Gates lauded Pakistan Army for its operations in South Waziristan, saying that nearly six divisions had been transferred from the east to west.

In 2010, the former corps commander of 11 Corps in Peshawar, Lt Gen Masood Aslam, now ambassador in Mexico, indicated that five divisions, 25 brigades and 88 infantry battalions were deployed under his command. Altogether these constituted 122 fighting units which included 15 artillery regiments in infantry role and 55 Frontier Corps battalions.

For an area as vast and rugged as the seven tribal areas of Fata, troops would always be insufficient. Gen Kayani has other worries if he thins out further from the Indian border. Not the least is the Cold Start doctrine which has reportedly rectified the sluggish onemonth long mobilisation of Operation Parakram following the attack on Indian Parliament in 2001.

Incidentally, the Army chief, Gen V K Singh , has disowned Cold Start, saying it is a creation of think-tanks and not an official doctrine. India's reaction to the Mumbai attack was not surprisingly measured without initiating any military response. In subsequent months, following the suspension of the composite dialogue, India took a number of steps to strengthen coastal defence and intelligence capacities.

On January 4, 2009, Air Marshal K D Singh of South West Air Command said at a public lecture that if Pakistan were to repeat a mass-casualty Mumbai- like attack, India's reaction could be a short and intense war. Home minister P Chidambaram has been warning Pakistan periodically "not to play any more games" and let Mumbai be the last such game. "If they carry out another attack, we will also retaliate with the force of a sledgehammer".

Notwithstanding the shrill but unworkable demand that India do an operation Osama to pluck Hafez Saeed or Dawood Ibrahim , it is clear that India has neither the political will nor the capacity for surgical operations inside Pakistan. Instead, let New Delhi settle for the more realistic objective of permitting Pakistan Army to redeploy more forces from the east to west to fight the Taliban with an assurance from India that it would not militarily exploit the strategic void.

Gates said recently that he was surprised that Gen Kayani had moved 1,40,000 troops from the east to west. That says something about India's strategic restraint.

(The author is founding member of Defence Planning Staff)

India can help Pakistan by only doing one thing stop thinking of helping us we don't need your help

 

[drunken-monke]

^^^ All hail the Nehruvian Wagha Kandle Kisser

Waah calling me WKK,

war is never good. Ask a soldier who goes to border for war leaving back his newly married wife behind or childrens or old parents.

 

[ashokdeiva]

India can help Pakistan by only doing one thing stop thinking of helping us we don't need your help

Big mouth but no action.

 

[Tanna Tanni]

Waah calling me WKK,

war is never good. Ask a soldier who goes to border for war leaving back his newly married wife behind or childrens or old parents.

No war. I agree. But why walk extra mile and rescue pakistan from where it is logically headed too. Let the hostile neighbour commit suicide, what point in soothing them?

If you dont want to fight a mad dog (for example sake) then that also does not mean that you should start kissing it. There is a third option of maintaining safe distance and doing nothing and let the fate decide and let the mad dog die of his rabies.

Edit: U from Aurangabad, Mah??

 

[Zarvan]

Big mouth but no action.

sir we know very well about your help which your are giving us by trying to destabilize Baluchistan and Pakistan

 

[rockstarIN]

India can help Pakistan by only doing one thing stop thinking of helping us we don't need your help

That is exactly what we are doing now, i.e we are helping you in a way.

 

[drunken-monke]

No war. I agree. But why walk extra mile and rescue pakistan from where it is logically headed too. Let the hostile neighbour commit suicide, what point in soothing them?

Edit: U from Aurangabad, Mah??

Yah. I am from Aurangabad, Mah. How did you know??

 

[Veeru]

How can India help Pakistan? - The Economic Times

By: Gen Ashok K Mehta

The killing of Osama bin Laden has led to a political tsunami in Pakistan not seen since 1971. Pakistan's former National Security Advisor , Gen Mahmud Durrani has said India must hold Pakistan's hand in its hour of trial. What can India do to help? Do nothing to make matters worse by turning the knife.

We should continue the dialogue. India Pakistan relations are bad enough. But currently Pakistan-Afghanistan ties are no better. Pakistan has been accusing Afghanistan of ganging up with India to foment insurgencies in Balochistan and Fata. Specifically, it has charged India with using its consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar to train Baloch rebels and provide succour to Taliban in the Frontier region.

Islamabad has pulled up Kabul for encouraging activities inimical to it. This is the pot calling the kettle black. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's recent visit to Kabul has cleared the way to set the record straight with Pakistan on Afghanistan. The two could discuss how to cooperate rather than conflict in Afghanistan as they do in other multilateral fora, especially in UN peacekeeping.

Islamabad has fought the war on terrorism selectively despite periodic goading by the US to go after the Afghan Taliban in North Waziristan. Pakistan has told the US it does not have the resources since its forces are already overstretched.

According to the Australian Pakistan-Army specialist Col Brian Cloughley , It is neither the lack of capability nor intention but the fear that further depletion of troops from east to west will critically unbalance Pakistan Army facing India, which is enemy no 1.

In 2008 Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani briefed the Pakistan Parliament, the first time the Army had done so, on the scale and scope of counterinsurgency operations in Swat and Malakand divisions. The ownership of military operations appears settled and rests with the civilian government. Troops were first relocated from the east to west after 9/11 in the wake of the US-led war in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has two corps located astride the undemarcated Durand Line, one each at Quetta and Peshawar. Along with regulars, nearly 1,50,000 local militia are deployed. According to the Indian Army , Pakistan had redeployed almost three divisions of its forces from the Indian to the Afghan border.

At one stage, the assessment was that nearly 52% of its strike forces and 48% of the defensive elements had been relocated. Last year, testifying before Congress, outgoing defence secretary Robert Gates lauded Pakistan Army for its operations in South Waziristan, saying that nearly six divisions had been transferred from the east to west.

In 2010, the former corps commander of 11 Corps in Peshawar, Lt Gen Masood Aslam, now ambassador in Mexico, indicated that five divisions, 25 brigades and 88 infantry battalions were deployed under his command. Altogether these constituted 122 fighting units which included 15 artillery regiments in infantry role and 55 Frontier Corps battalions.

For an area as vast and rugged as the seven tribal areas of Fata, troops would always be insufficient. Gen Kayani has other worries if he thins out further from the Indian border. Not the least is the Cold Start doctrine which has reportedly rectified the sluggish onemonth long mobilisation of Operation Parakram following the attack on Indian Parliament in 2001.

Incidentally, the Army chief, Gen V K Singh , has disowned Cold Start, saying it is a creation of think-tanks and not an official doctrine. India's reaction to the Mumbai attack was not surprisingly measured without initiating any military response. In subsequent months, following the suspension of the composite dialogue, India took a number of steps to strengthen coastal defence and intelligence capacities.

On January 4, 2009, Air Marshal K D Singh of South West Air Command said at a public lecture that if Pakistan were to repeat a mass-casualty Mumbai- like attack, India's reaction could be a short and intense war. Home minister P Chidambaram has been warning Pakistan periodically "not to play any more games" and let Mumbai be the last such game. "If they carry out another attack, we will also retaliate with the force of a sledgehammer".

Notwithstanding the shrill but unworkable demand that India do an operation Osama to pluck Hafez Saeed or Dawood Ibrahim , it is clear that India has neither the political will nor the capacity for surgical operations inside Pakistan. Instead, let New Delhi settle for the more realistic objective of permitting Pakistan Army to redeploy more forces from the east to west to fight the Taliban with an assurance from India that it would not militarily exploit the strategic void.

Gates said recently that he was surprised that Gen Kayani had moved 1,40,000 troops from the east to west. That says something about India's strategic restraint.

(The author is founding member of Defence Planning Staff)

1. with more then 50% of pakistani strike and defense forces deployed in Afghanistan and still India is not invading it proves that India will never Invade pakistan.

2. But this shows that what in case of war India should do to divide pakistani resources and assets.