Hitler's Speeches: Revisiting a Unique Phenomenon of History

[Desert Fox]

He had great willpower,but glorification of hitler's leadership is silly.He made massive errors that doomed the germans to a catastrophic defeat.He was political genius ,but not a strategic one.His pre-war moves were unscrupulous ,brilliant and also part lucky..but after war started he declined rapidly.

But you have to give the man credit that even if we were to take all of his shortcomings into consideration he would still surpass any politician or leader since his time, in terms of his leadership skills and unswerving commitment to his nations revival as a economic and military power. No human is free of faults, but not many have proven to be as skilled and influential leaders as Hitler. In fact, very few personalities in history.

1.Abandoning Battle of Britain midway,first by bombing London when RAF was near breaking point.

True, that was a mistake of strategic significance. He would have given into the RAF's bombings of German cities, it was only a matter of time.

Then instead of taking Gibraltar through spain and moving a larger part of the wehrmacht instead of rommel's tiny 3 division force into north africa and egypt and the oil fields of the middle east he would have solved the oil problem without ever having to invade russia and caucasus,it would also have surrounded russia from the south as well.Britain's empire would have collapsed as she didn't have eneough land forces to stop a full scale german attempt in the mediterranean.His abandonment of war against britain midway later led to 2-front war and defeat with british soil serving as bridgehead for normandy.

Gibraltar could only be taken by two ways:

1). Either Spain joined the Axis powers and broke its neutrality which was unlikely to happen as Franco refused to get involved in the war.

2). The Germans would take it by force. This option was off the table for various (obvious) reasons, one of which was an armed confrontation with Spain which would stretch the Wehrmacht out when there were much greater priorities at the time (Greece & Yugoslavia). Plus, the Italian navy was still a force to be reckoned with in the Mediterranean.

2.Declaring war on soviet union ignoring its manpower reserves or industrial potential,and assuming bolshevism will collapse and war will be over in 1 campaign before winter.

Hitler really had no choice but to declare war on the Soviet Union due to Stalin's increasing assertiveness towards Europe. In fact Hitler made repeated attempts to persuade Stalin to join the Axis, even offering Britain's Middle Eastern and far East colonies on a platter, but Stalin had territorial demands in Europe which Hitler refused to accept. Further adding to this was the large concentration of Soviet troops and heavy equipment close to the German Soviet frontier.

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Secondly, regarding the industrial strength and manpower of the Soviet Union which Hitler underestimated, a leader can only make decisions based on the intelligence he is provided by his intelligence services. The Soviet Union was a very secretive society. For example, the Germans were only aware of the Red Army's blunders in the Winter War with Finland (even though they still won), but did not know of the Red Army's spectacular performance in tank and aerial operations in Khalkin Gol. Stalin himself exploited this propaganda of projecting the Red Army as weak and outdated and many were deceived by this illusion, not only Hitler. Here the fault lies with the Abwehr. Thus, the false belief that the Red army was weak and would give in was strengthened by this illusion. Of course, when the Germans did invade and encountered the BT's, the KV's, and the T-34's as well as weapons of other types did they realize how far ahead the Soviet Union was in terms of war preparedness and weapons technology.

3.Declaring war on USA,greatest industrial power on the planet on behalf of japan,when japan refused to declare war on ussr.That too when fighting uk and ussr -total madness.

Here too Hitler had no choice because the US was already actively participating in anti-U-boat operations alongside the Royal Navy in the Atlantic plus the material and economic aid they provided to keep Britain from falling (this was the main reason why Churchill refused to negotiate peace with Germany). The declaration of war gave Hitler a free hand to engage USN vessels in the Atlantic. Prior to that the U-Boats were forbidden to retaliate even when fired upon.

4.Refusal to believe intelligence reports on soviet reserves calling it a big bluff,and then taken totally aback when those very reserves encircle 6th army at stalingrad.Not allowing 6th army to retreat -leading to total annihilation.

When intel reports are contradictory it is hard to decide what's the actual truth. If the 6th army retreated from Stalingrad that would have meant a rapid Soviet advance sealing off the Caucasus where already more than 500,000 Axis troops were engaged in combat. Here too Hitler's Generals share the blame as well.

5.Unlike stalin failed in grand strategy,despite all the talks of national socialism's power to mobilize nation failed to mobilize german economy for total war until late 1943.Failed to create a strategic reserve like stalin.Didn't understand value of mass production in industrial war.

Stalin's economy was already in war footing prior to June 22, 1941. Hitler's main intent was economic prosperity of his people. If he went Stalin's way by maintaining a war economy as soon as he took power in 1933 then the average German's standard of living would have been just as low as that of the average Soviet citizen who lived off of rations and toiled away doing overtime in arms factories.

6.Constant interference with field commanders,fascination with holding devastated territory even if strategically irrelevant leading to several encirclements.

And example of this?

7.Inability to sack or remove loyal party officials who were sycophants but incompetent and corrupt and hampering german war effort like Ley,goering.Deliberately promoted overlapping spheres of authority to empower his own leading to confusion and inefficiency.

True, some of the party members were taking advantage of Hitler's preoccupation with war planning to exercise more power and authority than they deserved.

8.Sparing the BEF at Dunkirk for inexplicable reason.

This one's a bit disputed. Some claim the German's couldn't advance even if they wanted to due to various tactical reasons.

9.Refused to use women in factories until late in the war.

True, this was a strategic mistake.

10.Refused to let a pro-german russian force be raised until very late,because of his racial theories which would have alleviated manpower problem of wehrmacht.Brutal racial policy led to soviet people waging total war in return as they had no option.Totally underestimated russian resolve due to his ideas of racial superiority.

Regarding the racial theory blinding his views of the Russian people, this is true. However, regarding the formation of an independent anti-communist Russian Army, this was an idea even some of Hitler's Generals were a bit hesitant to enact for various reasons, the main one of which was the danger of this force defecting or turning its guns on the Germans themselves (which did eventually happen).

 

[The Sandman]

the main one of which was the danger of this force defecting or turning its guns on the Germans themselves (which did eventually happen).

is something like this really happened? i would really like to know about it

 

[Desert Fox]

is something like this really happened? i would really like to know about it

Yes, the Prague uprising the ROA (Russian Army of Liberation) joined the Czech resistance in their fight against the German's. This was after ROA was officially made an army of its own.

Prague uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Sandman]

Yes, the Prague uprising the ROA (Russian Army of Liberation) joined the Czech resistance in their fight against the German's. This was after ROA was officially made an army of its own.

Prague uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

oh yes i have read about it oh my memory >.< thx anyway

 

[Falcon29]

Adolf Hitler: We Will Never Capitulate!

@DesertFox97 @Psychic @Akheilos @Falcon29​

He has a lot of enthusiasm and definitely was passionate about his cause. Muslims need a leader with similar enthusiasm/passion(of course different goals). But Muslims are too divided to care. You have Shia Muslims, then pro-secularism/monarchy Sunni Muslims. Then moderate Sunni Islamist, lastly of course extremist Sunni Muslims. Muslims have lots of potential to build a healthy society that is moderate, organized and developed which will be appealing to non-Muslims. But, right now all the world sees is Muslims fighting over backward things. Which certain groups take pride in as if they're achieving a great thing.

 

[Desert Fox]

He has a lot of enthusiasm and definitely was passionate about his cause. Muslims need a leader with similar enthusiasm/passion(of course different goals). But Muslims are too divided to care. You have Shia Muslims, then pro-secularism/monarchy Sunni Muslims. Then moderate Sunni Islamist, lastly of course extremist Sunni Muslims. Muslims have lots of potential to build a healthy society that is moderate, organized and developed which will be appealing to non-Muslims. But, right now all the world sees is Muslims fighting over backward things. Which certain groups take pride in as if they're achieving a great thing.

This is unfortunately true. Our own hold us back from progressing. We either have the secular, tribal, tyrant dictators and monarchies who use religion as a tool on one hand, and on the other we have the extremist religious nutjobs who are no different. This is what the Muslim countries have to choose between.

But perhaps it is this chaos that will bring forth a change for good. History is a witness to this.

i always wanted to ask whom u like Hitler or Stalin?

Tough question. Can't say i "like" either of them, though i am fascinated by them and do admire certain characteristics of both men. But i must give it to Stalin, he had an iron logic, not to mention he was a great political strategist and good at planning for the long term. Interesting fact: the first translation of Mein Kampf was in Russian on Stalin's personal orders without the permission of the author. The Russian copy of Mein Kampf was a part of Stalin's personal book collection. What was that saying about knowing your enemy well? @Nihonjin1051 @Psychic

 

[Aepsilons]

He definitely was a charismatic leader, who had the ability to command the nation. I disagreed with his decision to go through with his 'Final Solution', tho i recognize his strengths as well.

Tough question. Can't say i "like" either of them, though i am fascinated by them and do admire certain characteristics of both men. But i must give it to Stalin, he had an iron logic, not to mention he was a great strategist and good at planning for the long term. Interesting fact: the first translation of Mein Kampf was in Russian on Stalin's personal orders without the permission of the author. The Russian copy of Mein Kampf was a part of Stalin's personal book collection. What was that saying about knowing your enemy well? @Nihonjin1051 @Psychic

What I think was Hitler's weakness, in the end, was his fanatcism towards purist thought , trying to find logic in racial purity theory. It was a foolish cause. Besides that, he should have focused on directing Nazi scientists to discover new technologies. Mind you the Nazis were the first to successfully achieve rocketry and directed new paradigms in aerospace technology. Leagues ahead of the Americans, British and Russians for that matter.

Hitler should have adopted a more encompassing and comprehensively accepting policy towards conquered subject peoples of the Great Third Reich. Instead of liquidating.

 

[Psychic]

True, that was a mistake of strategic significance. He would have given into the RAF's bombings of German cities, it was only a matter of time.

 

[Desert Fox]

What I think was Hitler's weakness, in the end, was his fanatcism towards purist thought , trying to find logic in racial purity theory. It was a foolish cause. Besides that, he should have focused on directing Nazi scientists to discover new technologies. Mind you the Nazis were the first to successfully achieve rocketry and directed new paradigms in aerospace technology. Leagues ahead of the Americans, British and Russians for that matter.

Hitler should have adopted a more encompassing and comprehensively accepting policy towards conquered subject peoples of the Great Third Reich. Instead of liquidating.

This is true. Unfortunately his ideological beliefs got the best of him. If he had laxed his stringent racial policies towards the Slavs of Soviet Russia under his realm instead of allowing his appointed Gauleiters (district leaders) of the occupied territories to abuse the locals and confiscate their food, repeating the mistake of the collectivist Soviet authorities of the 1930's, perhaps the Red Army would have had a very difficult time in recapturing the territory from the Germans. Though, despite this millions of Soviet citizens still fought shoulder to shoulder with Germans and most German troops showed empathy for the conquered Soviets rather than have any racial animosity towards them.

Regarding racial purity i believe Hitler was less concerned with what was already done (he accepted the fact that the German nation was not racially pure) but rather wanted to prevent any further racial mixing.

 

[Psychic]

The objective of the Nazi German forces was to increase pressure on Britain to agree to a negotiated peace settlement

Many historians say Germans were not serious about this battle.

True and the stunt of Rudolf Hess proved just that.

Pity he was sentenced to death.

Even if Luftwaffe destroyed the RAF - it was necessary to ensure a successful offensive landing - the formidable Royal Navy still had to be contained

Without air cover, Royal Navy couldn't hope to do much against German invasion barges and Ju-52's. For example, in the battle of Crete without air cover, Royal Navy suffered tremendous losses at the hands of the Luftwaffe which prevented RN from supporting Crete during daylight hours. Another fact is that Germans actually occupied some channel islands which could have be en used to support the invasion of Britain.

2. I agree. To Hitler this was an idealogical war. Had they not delayed attack on USSR, may be they still had a chance against Soviet Union for "General Winter" would not have arrived early.

I agree and their ally Japan also failed to support their invasion by attacking Siberia. Russia would have capitulated in a two front war. But still Germans had a chance and they could have delivered the knockout punch had Hitler not diverted Guderian's panzers in support of other fronts which delayed the advance towards Moscow.
Hitler made a second blunder during the battle of Stalingrad and a third during the battle of Kursk which sealed the fate of German armies on the Eastern front.

Another problem in the war against Russia was that Russia was very vast and Stalin had evacuated the industrial equipment from European Soviet Union and Luftwaffe could not hit the Russian industries in Eastern Russia due to lack of heavy bombers.

3. I blame it on lend and lease treaty. US were indirectly participating in the war and supplying goods to UK,USSR and other countries- this violated laws of neutrality during war. I guess Hitler was expecting a war sooner or later with them.

A certain lobby in America wanted it to participate in the war against Germany.

 

[Psychic]

On a lighter note

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

But you have to give the man credit that even if we were to take all of his shortcomings into consideration he would still surpass any politician or leader since his time, in terms of his leadership skills and unswerving commitment to his nations revival as a economic and military power. No human is free of faults, but not many have proven to be as skilled and influential leaders as Hitler. In fact, very few personalities in history.


True, that was a mistake of strategic significance. He would have given into the RAF's bombings of German cities, it was only a matter of time.

Basically my point is by abandoning the war with england midway he gave in to what the molotov ribbentrop pact had avoided -a 2 front war.Without engalnd america even with millions of men couldn't invade europe nor could US bombers attack europe,they would have been effectively unable to employ their industrial strength in any manner.

Gibraltar could only be taken by two ways:

1). Either Spain joined the Axis powers and broke its neutrality which was unlikely to happen as Franco refused to get involved in the war.

2). The Germans would take it by force. This option was off the table for various (obvious) reasons, one of which was an armed confrontation with Spain which would stretch the Wehrmacht out when there were much greater priorities at the time (Greece & Yugoslavia). Plus, the Italian navy was still a force to be reckoned with in the Mediterranean.

I am talking about taking it by force or ultimatum in late 1940.At this time wehrmacht was not involved in greece or yugoslavia.Wehrmacht usually crushed its enemies in europe in 2-3 weeks at most,i don't think the spanish lacking modern equipment would have been able to resist much longer.In fact franco would probably have caved in to an ultimatum.Once Gibraltar is taken(advocated by raeder) british empire in medditerranean and mideast would have collapsed.He would have another front against russia and oil.Italy could be given north africa.


Hitler really had no choice but to declare war on the Soviet Union due to Stalin's increasing assertiveness towards Europe. In fact Hitler made repeated attempts to persuade Stalin to join the Axis, even offering Britain's Middle Eastern and far East colonies on a platter, but Stalin had territorial demands in Europe which Hitler refused to accept. Further adding to this was the large concentration of Soviet troops and heavy equipment close to the German Soviet frontier.

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He could have delayed the war until britain had been defeated if he had to invade,which i don't believe was necessary.Soviets were not in a position to threaten germany at that immediate juncture,army being in a stage of transformation.

Secondly, regarding the industrial strength and manpower of the Soviet Union which Hitler underestimated, a leader can only make decisions based on the intelligence he is provided by his intelligence services. The Soviet Union was a very secretive society. For example, the Germans were only aware of the Red Army's blunders in the Winter War with Finland (even though they still won), but did not know of the Red Army's spectacular performance in tank and aerial operations in Khalkin Gol. Stalin himself exploited this propaganda of projecting the Red Army as weak and outdated and many were deceived by this illusion, not only Hitler. Here the fault lies with the Abwehr. Thus, the false belief that the Red army was weak and would give in was strengthened by this illusion. Of course, when the Germans did invade and encountered the BT's, the KV's, and the T-34's as well as weapons of other types did they realize how far ahead the Soviet Union was in terms of war preparedness and weapons technology.

I agree on this point.

Here too Hitler had no choice because the US was already actively participating in anti-U-boat operations alongside the Royal Navy in the Atlantic plus the material and economic aid they provided to keep Britain from falling (this was the main reason why Churchill refused to negotiate peace with Germany). The declaration of war gave Hitler a free hand to engage USN vessels in the Atlantic. Prior to that the U-Boats were forbidden to retaliate even when fired upon.

No this responsibility lies on Hitler alone and his sycophants.There is no sugarcoating it.His generals thought it was madness.He couldn't even secure a promise from the japanese to wage war on USSR in return.What the usa sent to britain was peanuts compared to what would come after it was war,he must have known that.No amount of u-boats were going to stop the armada of usaf aircraft in britain or a new us army reinforcing the british in north africa.It was a genuine moment of madness - especially considering the soviet counteroffensive before moscow had begun the day earlier.


When intel reports are contradictory it is hard to decide what's the actual truth. If the 6th army retreated from Stalingrad that would have meant a rapid Soviet advance sealing off the Caucasus where already more than 500,000 Axis troops were engaged in combat. Here too Hitler's Generals share the blame as well.

Hitler's first mistake was to divide the invasion force in 2 -which fatally weakened both fronts.This was not the original plan.Stalingrad was to be a flank guard operation,instead it became a brutal frontal attrition fight which ended up taking the panzer divisions allotted for kleist's army in the caucasus which got stuck,and the main strategic objective was lost -that of taking the oil fields.So he was responsible for the situation in the first place.
Intelligence reports were submitted to him about potential soviet manpower and industrial capacity buildup of tank production and soldiers -he tore up the reports in a frenzy and shook the man who brought the report by the collar if i remember correctly.There were also army intelligence reports that soviet buildup was taking place on both flanks of 6th army which was also largely ignored.Hitler's generals take the blame as well,that they have tried to evade -but atleast all the generals advocated a breakout -but hitler trusting goering and fanaticism overruled them when army was infact surrounded.He didn't even allow Paulus to breakout and link up with manstein as that would have meant evacuating stalingrad.


Stalin's economy was already in war footing prior to June 22, 1941. Hitler's main intent was economic prosperity of his people. If he went Stalin's way by maintaining a war economy as soon as he took power in 1933 then the average German's standard of living would have been just as low as that of the average Soviet citizen who lived off of rations and toiled away doing overtime in arms factories.

This is not entirely true,much of german war production was hampered by inefficiency and personal rivalries which hitler encouraged.From late 1942 germans proved they could ramp up production very fast if they had actually wanted to - despite allied bombing which was not there in 1941.Infact in 1941 he ordered military production reduced while at war with russia and britain.Thing is a man who believes in total war and domination should prepare as such,if he did not prepare the economy in accordance with his political goals then that is his fault as a leader.


And example of this?

Falaise pocket in normandy,Korsun cherkassy pocket,Stalingrad pocket,Courland pocket,multiple pockets around 'strongpoints' in operation bagration.
Almost did the same at 2nd battle of el alamein and at demyansk.Sends his final armoured army -ss panzers to retake hungary when soviets are advancing on berlin and then raging at his generals.Before that already wasted reserves on overambitious bulge operation.


True, some of the party members were taking advantage of Hitler's preoccupation with war planning to exercise more power and authority than they deserved.

Make no mistake hitler knew the likes of goering were corrupt and useless,but still couldn't bring himself to sack them as they were loyal.This shows a inclination favourable to sycophants.The capable ones were gradually pushed out if they argued with him.


This one's a bit disputed. Some claim the German's couldn't advance even if they wanted to due to various tactical reasons.

A theory is he thought britain woul be grateful if he did and end the war.

But you have to give the man credit that even if we were to take all of his shortcomings into consideration he would still surpass any politician or leader since his time, in terms of his leadership skills and unswerving commitment to his nations revival as a economic and military power. No human is free of faults, but not many have proven to be as skilled and influential leaders as Hitler. In fact, very few personalities in history.


True, that was a mistake of strategic significance. He would have given into the RAF's bombings of German cities, it was only a matter of time.




Gibraltar could only be taken by two ways:

1). Either Spain joined the Axis powers and broke its neutrality which was unlikely to happen as Franco refused to get involved in the war.

2). The Germans would take it by force. This option was off the table for various (obvious) reasons, one of which was an armed confrontation with Spain which would stretch the Wehrmacht out when there were much greater priorities at the time (Greece & Yugoslavia). Plus, the Italian navy was still a force to be reckoned with in the Mediterranean.



Hitler really had no choice but to declare war on the Soviet Union due to Stalin's increasing assertiveness towards Europe. In fact Hitler made repeated attempts to persuade Stalin to join the Axis, even offering Britain's Middle Eastern and far East colonies on a platter, but Stalin had territorial demands in Europe which Hitler refused to accept. Further adding to this was the large concentration of Soviet troops and heavy equipment close to the German Soviet frontier.

Time to Face the Truth About World War II | Eric Margolis

Window on Eurasia -- New Series: Stalin’s Expansionist Designs Blocked Signing of Second Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty

Secondly, regarding the industrial strength and manpower of the Soviet Union which Hitler underestimated, a leader can only make decisions based on the intelligence he is provided by his intelligence services. The Soviet Union was a very secretive society. For example, the Germans were only aware of the Red Army's blunders in the Winter War with Finland (even though they still won), but did not know of the Red Army's spectacular performance in tank and aerial operations in Khalkin Gol. Stalin himself exploited this propaganda of projecting the Red Army as weak and outdated and many were deceived by this illusion, not only Hitler. Here the fault lies with the Abwehr. Thus, the false belief that the Red army was weak and would give in was strengthened by this illusion. Of course, when the Germans did invade and encountered the BT's, the KV's, and the T-34's as well as weapons of other types did they realize how far ahead the Soviet Union was in terms of war preparedness and weapons technology.



Here too Hitler had no choice because the US was already actively participating in anti-U-boat operations alongside the Royal Navy in the Atlantic plus the material and economic aid they provided to keep Britain from falling (this was the main reason why Churchill refused to negotiate peace with Germany). The declaration of war gave Hitler a free hand to engage USN vessels in the Atlantic. Prior to that the U-Boats were forbidden to retaliate even when fired upon.


When intel reports are contradictory it is hard to decide what's the actual truth. If the 6th army retreated from Stalingrad that would have meant a rapid Soviet advance sealing off the Caucasus where already more than 500,000 Axis troops were engaged in combat. Here too Hitler's Generals share the blame as well.


Stalin's economy was already in war footing prior to June 22, 1941. Hitler's main intent was economic prosperity of his people. If he went Stalin's way by maintaining a war economy as soon as he took power in 1933 then the average German's standard of living would have been just as low as that of the average Soviet citizen who lived off of rations and toiled away doing overtime in arms factories.


And example of this?


True, some of the party members were taking advantage of Hitler's preoccupation with war planning to exercise more power and authority than they deserved.


This one's a bit disputed. Some claim the German's couldn't advance even if they wanted to due to various tactical reasons.


True, this was a strategic mistake.


Regarding the racial theory blinding his views of the Russian people, this is true. However, regarding the formation of an independent anti-communist Russian Army, this was an idea even some of Hitler's Generals were a bit hesitant to enact for various reasons, the main one of which was the danger of this force defecting or turning its guns on the Germans themselves (which did eventually happen).

Above

 

[Super Falcon]

HAHAHA, a mass murderer of millions. A racist to the very core, a monster whom consumed the world with his cabal, yet we are suppose to admire his oratory skills. Its amazing when south asians or asians in general try to praise this f*ckin piece of $hit, when Hitler considered them the lowest of the lowest. Please spare me this revisionist circus, history is full of apologists trying to make heroes out of absolute monsters.

Than what about israel today dlnt forget youm ki pour he was right jews are cancer to humanity and it is prooven today world is at chaos even worst than WW 2

He binded the loosing and tired nation raised them out of the misery lifes in just 6 years fact is most of his policies USA practice them today

Thank hittler that travel became easy due to jet engine his ideas fave us most of tech we use today came from germany today we wennt to moon due to rocket tech of hittler

Above al he is the greatest personality of past decade our minds have been washed by US JEW media i looked him read his mein kempf and his friends he was great for his people


Today germans should thank him otherwise west and jews wanted germans as slave

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Yes please remove my posts as I am not ready to praise a monster and call out OP's BS.

@Horus @Emmie @Jango @waz

He is not asking you to praise anyone, only expecting you to sticking to the point. The thread is about Hitler's speeches, not what he did was good or bad.

 

[Super Falcon]

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Later at a War Cabinet meeting, Churchill blamed the Indians themselves for the famine, saying that they “breed like rabbits.”

His attitude toward Indians was made crystal clear when he told Secretary of State for India Leopold Amery: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

these english and white people are risk to world peace prooven fact