History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[yue10]

the Lac Viet was Tai people Xi Ou was Tai tribe led by An Duong Vuong, it make more sense for 2 Tai tribes to form coexisting group then a Tai and Mon-Khmer somehow come together as brothers

Lac = prefix for Tai clans

the pure AA Annam pigs was centred in Laos and later occupied the delta during AD period, Nan Yue, Trung sisters have nothing to do with these people they are claiming the wrong ancestors. the Red River delta was belonging to Tai people and the Viet stole their homelands but somehow they come out with ridiculous idea of claiming back lost lands in Southern China

I am calling on Chinese on behalf of ethnic Daic minorities and also Lao, Thai, Shan to mobilise forces and take back lost Tai homelands from these Annam pigs

According to the related historical records, the population history of the Kinh, which we extrapolated also, conforms to the pattern of demic diffusion. In North Vietnam, the early inhabitant is the Luo-Yue of Daic family. In the Han dynasty, there was a war between the Chinese central government and the Southern Yue government, which resulted in heavy political pressure on the Yue (Daic) population, which lasted into Wu dynasty of the Three States Period. A large number of Daic populations including the Luo-Yue moved westwards to Guizhou, west Guangxi, Laos, and as far as north Thailand. It was nearly empty along Tonkin Bay, including North Vietnam and east Guangxi. In the following, the Jing dynasty and the Southern-Northern States Period, as the northern nomads invaded central China, the Chinese government ignored Tonkin Bay and left it for the growing Kinh population. Since then, the Kinh appeared in the records of north Vietnam. After a long time of development in the Sui and Tang dynasties, a country of Kinh people was founded during the China’s civil strife in the late Tang dynasty.

The geographic origin and time of dispersal of Austroasiatic (AA) speakers, presently settled in south and southeast Asia, remains disputed. Two rival hypotheses, both assuming a demic component to the language dispersal, have been proposed. The first of these places the origin of Austroasiatic speakers in southeast Asia with a later dispersal to south Asia during the Neolithic, whereas the second hypothesis advocates pre-Neolithic origins and dispersal of this language family from south Asia. To test the two alternative models, this study combines the analysis of uniparentally inherited markers with 610,000 common single nucleotide polymorphism loci from the nuclear genome. Indian AA speakers have high frequencies of Y chromosome haplogroup O2a; our results show that this haplogroup has significantly higher diversity and coalescent time (17-28 thousand years ago) in southeast Asia, strongly supporting the first of the two hypotheses. Nevertheless, the results of principal component and "structure-like" analyses on autosomal loci also show that the population history of AA speakers in India is more complex, being characterized by two ancestral components-one represented in the pattern of Y chromosomal and EDAR results and the other by mitochondrial DNA diversity and genomic structure. We propose that AA speakers in India today are derived from dispersal from southeast Asia, followed by extensive sex-specific admixture with local Indian populations

Rather, their peculiar genetic profile is better explained by a decrease in genetic diversity through genetic drift from an ancestral population having a genetic profile similar to present-day Austroasiatic populations from Southeast Asia (thus suggesting a possible southeastern origin), followed by intensive gene flow with neighboring Indian populations. This conclusion is in agreement with archaeological and linguistic information.

 

[Snomannen]

@yue10
Qipao 旗袍 is not Manchrian, 旗裝 is. Qipao is invented by Han.
And I don't really think those dresses are Qipao. 

VN school girls

HK school girls

For me half of Vietnamese I have met are no different with Southern Chinese. Half of the rest remind me Filipino and Indonesian.

 

[yue10]

I thought this is qipao, it is invented by Han?

and this is ao dai

 

[INDIC]

the Viet have their own script?

they will try to tell you they have fire script, tadpole script, existing rich culture before Chinese came but somehow the Chinese banned all this and forced them to adopt Chinese culture, Zhuang people still under suzerain of Chinese living in Chinese lands is less Sinicised then these Annam pigs but for some reason they lost all culture and not Zhuang, an alien come down to earth would easily see they are massive copy cat of Chinese culture but they try to deny everything, it all come down to big chip on the shoulder

Even Japanese and Koreans adopted Chinese script, they surely aren't Chinese.

 

[Viet]

Even Japanese and Koreans adopted Chinese script, they surely aren't Chinese.

yue10 is a troller and idiot. He forgets to tell one of the most important facts:
- we Viets were Chinese or Han Viet for almost 1,000 years (111 bc-938 ad) and that means China/Vietnam shared a common history for 1,000 years. We both were the same citizen in the same country.
- conclusion: how can he blame we dare to copy from the Han if we are Han ourselves?

You can ignore the rest what he says because it is just shit. As usual. Every idiot can write and make history up.

 

[INDIC]

yue10 is a troller and idiot. He forgets to tell one of the most important facts:
- we Viets were Chinese or Han Viet for almost 1,000 years (111 bc-938 ad) and that means China/Vietnam shared a common history for 1,000 years. We both were the same citizen in the same country.
- conclusion: how can he blame we dare to copy from the Han if we are Han ourselves?

You can ignore the rest what he says because it is just shit. As usual. Every idiot can write and make history up.

Tibetans too use Indian derived script instead of a Chinese writing system, many of the letters are extremely identical to Hindi's Devanagari script. What will a Chinese say about it.

 

[Snomannen]

Tibetans too use Indian derived script instead of a Chinese writing system, many of the letters are extremely identical to Hindi's Devanagari script. What will a Chinese say about it.

Who cares?
You don't even really need to learn Han Chinese to be a Chinese.

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Oh now I know why you were so "happy" with it after I have read #648 .
You so silly, so is that stupid guy who likes your post.

 

[Viet]

Who cares?
You don't even really need to learn Han Chinese to be a Chinese.

Indeed you have an unique definition of what China or Chinese is, that stands in contrast to Vietnam. I remember you said once China/Chinese is a concept.

 

[Snomannen]

Indeed you have an unique definition of what China or Chinese is, that stands in contrast to Vietnam. I remember you said once China/Chinese is a concept.

That is not freaking unique at all, I am just following what the freaking glorious CCP/ Central Government has taught us.
The CCP never tell you learning Mandarin (a language of Han Chinese) is a must to be a Chinese and always emphasize Han Chinese (the so-called "main ethnic of China" - which such title is never admitted by anyone) is only a part of Chinese ethnics group in order to stand against Han chauvinism.

 

[Viet]

That is not freaking unique at all, I am just following what the freaking glorious CCP/ Central Government has taught us.
The CCP never tell you learning Mandarin (a language of Han Chinese) is a must to be a Chinese and always emphasize Han Chinese (the so-called "main ethnic of China" - which such title is never admitted by anyone) is only a part of Chinese ethnics group in order to stand against Han chauvinism.

poor you! I mistakenly thought as a citizen of Macau you are freed of such education.

Now I have 2 simple questions: where China begins and where it ends (as one knows China border is fluid)? Any plan to invade Vietnam? You know I don´t want to be surprised when I visit my glorious country.

 

[Snomannen]

poor you! I mistakenly thought as a citizen of Macau you are freed of such education.

Now I have 2 simple questions: where China begins and where it ends (as one knows China border is fluid)? Any plan to invade Vietnam? You know I don´t want to be surprised when I visit my glorious country.

It is not only the CCP but also the idea from the Republic and even from the earlier Empires~ A strong, united China is always better than a separated, weak China.
Besides I have no better choice~ The GMD from Taiwan is such a pitiful loser and the local SAR government can't live without those $$ from Mainlanders~

This song can answer your first question~

As for the second question, I do really hope so~ I always think it is a shame that Vietnam became independent from China many years ago. Vietnam should always be a part of Greater China and together we shall make the whole world bow before us~

By the way, do you know that the Qing Dynasty of China was about to make Korea a province from a Vassal State?

 

[Viet]

I thought this is qipao, it is invented by Han?

and this is ao dai

you got the point, man. Oook, next try, what is Chinese in the clothings below (as you are so certain we copy everything from the mother China)?
A tip: the woman standing in the first line is not Vietnamese. LOL

Pres. Park attending a fashion show in Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

By the way, do you know that the Qing Dynasty of China was about to make Korea a province from a Vassal State?

hmmm...I guess it is the same reason similar to why China wanted to annex Vietnam.

 

[Genesis]

IS there any plans to abandon the communist party?

IS the Vietnam China situation much like the China Soviet situation of the past?

But from what I can see due to size and population we have not only matched by outperformed the Russians in terms of economy, and it is only a matter of time before we do so on other fronts.

How does Vietnam see itself? How will Vietnam react, because unless something crazy happens and we go back to cultural revolution China and Vietnam becomes Meiji or post war Japan, there is no way Vietnam will ever surpass China, it's a simple matter of we got 10 times the population and a bunch more land.

So what is Vietnam's role and future relationship with China? Are we going to be a UK, US relationship?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

IS there any plans to abandon the communist party?

IS the Vietnam China situation much like the China Soviet situation of the past?

But from what I can see due to size and population we have not only matched by outperformed the Russians in terms of economy, and it is only a matter of time before we do so on other fronts.

How does Vietnam see itself? How will Vietnam react, because unless something crazy happens and we go back to cultural revolution China and Vietnam becomes Meiji or post war Japan, there is no way Vietnam will ever surpass China, it's a simple matter of we got 10 times the population and a bunch more land.

So what is Vietnam's role and future relationship with China? Are we going to be a UK, US relationship?

Nope, both countries are better under the rule of the communist party. 

VN school girls

HK school girls

Both have Southeast Asian influence, but Viets have stronger one.