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It's time to end the ill north vietnamese government
and what comes after, you retard?

I don't have conclusion, I have to read more stuff that's why I asked the Viets here if they know about Viet Thuong, what is the reason people say Vietnamese were in the Hong plains during Dong Son period, An Duong Vuong, Nanyue etc?
how about to google or search on Internet? As I said previously, they happened at different periods of time, don´t mix up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dong_Son_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyue
http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%E1%BB%87t_Th%C6%B0%E1%BB%9Dng
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_D%C6%B0%C6%A1ng_V%C6%B0%C6%A1ng
 
LOL, ur statment lacked historical datas
1. When 1972 PRC return U.N, U.S voted against it. Pls wiki: Voting records of the United Nations General Assembly Resolutions 505 and 2758, UNITED STATES voted No.

2. Islands from South Vietnam government , not today Vietnam.

3. American fought Vietnam War in 1960s, Chinese fought another version of Vietnam War in 1970s~1980s. Anyway China were not allies with S.U and Vietnam in Cold War.

1. USA played his game, he could stop this general voting in advance.
2. Islands were in control of South Vietnam following Geneva accord 1954. In any case, Islands are part of United Vietnam's territory after reunification. It's stated in Geneva accord 1954 its was signed by China and North Vietnam.
3 China joined to socialist pack 1950 when Mao dropped in Moscow and signed related documents with Stalin. China fought another version of Vietnam War in 1970s~1980s because China changed her master from Soviets to USA.
 
1. USA played his game, he could stop this general voting in advance.
2. Islands were in control of South Vietnam following Geneva accord 1954. In any case, Islands are part of United Vietnam's territory after reunification. It's stated in Geneva accord 1954 its was signed by China and North Vietnam.
3 China joined to socialist pack 1950 when Mao dropped in Moscow and signed related documents with Stalin. China fought another version of Vietnam War in 1970s~1980s because China changed her master from Soviets to USA.

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

In fact during this period, when Hanoi was relying heavily on the Chinese for support, the Hanoi authorities seem to have recognized the Spratlys and the Paracels as Chinese territories. Three bits of evidence for this are often cited by China.33 The first is a statement by Vietnamese Deputy Foreign Minister Ung Van Khien to Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Li Zhimin in which the former indicated that Vietnam had recognized the Paracels and the Spratlys as Chinese territory since the days of the Song dynasty. The second is Pham Van Dong's letter dated September 14, 1958. It supported China's statement, extending its territorial waters twelve nautical miles. The statement clearly mentioned the Paracels and Spratlys by name as belonging to China. Third, in May 1965, the (North) Vietnamese Foreign Ministry criticized the United States for defining "part of China's Paracels" as a "fighting operation area."34
When victory was finally attained over the South, however, Hanoi was anxious to pick up all the pieces and claims left by the fallen regime. It acknowledged later that it had indeed previously acquiesced in China's claims to the islands but argued that times since then had changed.

At that time, Vietnam had to struggle against American intervention and aggression. . . . During this period, China regarded American imperialism as its main enemy and firmly supported the anti-American war of the Vietnamese people and was the "Vietnamese people's great rear base." China was one of the biggest aid donors to Vietnam. In the anti-American struggle, China and Vietnam became real friends. Relations between the two were "as close as lips and teeth." . . . During this period of opposing a much stronger enemy, the more Vietnam could let China fight hand in hand with Vietnam, the more advantageous for Vietnam to prevent America from using these two archipelagoes, and avoid attacks from the South China Sea [the East Sea in Vietnamese]. We have to understand the above statements in this spirit.36

With this rationale, in 1975 Vietnam asserted its claims to both the Paracels and the Spratlys and physically took possession of the six Spratly islands that the former South Vietnamese regime had occupied. In later years other islands were added.


This is what happened to Vietnam for its duplicity.

Johnson South Reef Skirmish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
1. USA played his game, he could stop this general voting in advance.
2. Islands were in control of South Vietnam following Geneva accord 1954. In any case, Islands are part of United Vietnam's territory after reunification. It's stated in Geneva accord 1954 its was signed by China and North Vietnam.
3 China joined to socialist pack 1950 when Mao dropped in Moscow and signed related documents with Stalin. China fought another version of Vietnam War in 1970s~1980s because China changed her master from Soviets to USA.
It's unpolite when a Vietnamese called China as traitor, specially u didn't understand China foreign politics.

One thing all we can know China and Vietnam didn't signed any allies agreement (China signed military allies with North Korea in 1950s and now still work, but 1960s not with North Vietnam) , in Cold War started from 1960s China stayed out off S.U allies that's why United State seek the normal relationships with China not Vietnam. And Chinese got our interests from the West, u think today economic and development gaps between China and Vietnam started from 2000s ? No the result during whole of Cold War time.

Today ur Vietnamese Company sell many goods to China market and import many goods from China dealers, Vietnam seek business and investment from China, did it mean Chinese become ur master again ? If ur guys hate China so much, why need to trade with us ?

BTW after Cold War ur ever little socialist partners like Hungary, Czech, Poland, these East-Europe countries who ever supported ur Vietnam now all become the West. When Vietnam will join ur partners to follow ur guys called "traitor way" ? ABANDONED !
 

It's trash !

Following terms and conditions of Geneva Accord 1954 was signed by China and North Vietnam, Vietnam was temporally divided in to States. Islands of Vietnam are allocated below the 17th Parallel then there were under control of South Vietnam. Then North Vietnam Govt didn't have right over Islands of South Vietnam.

Can North Korea agree that Dokdo belong to Japan ?

nghiencuubiendong.vn/.../132-white-paper-on-the-hoang-sa-paracel-and...‎
Republic of Vietnam. Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Saigon, 1975.
 
It's trash !

Following terms and conditions of Geneva Accord 1954 was signed by China and North Vietnam, Vietnam was temporally divided in to States. Islands of Vietnam are allocated below the 17th Parallel then there were under control of South Vietnam. Then North Vietnam Govt didn't have right over Islands of South Vietnam.

nghiencuubiendong.vn/.../132-white-paper-on-the-hoang-sa-paracel-and...‎
Republic of Vietnam. Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Saigon, 1975.

The North Vienam government is currently ruling Vietnam today, not South Vietnam. And thats right, it doesn't have right over those islands and you admit it, so stop claiming them.
 
The North Vienam government is currently ruling Vietnam today, not South Vietnam. And thats right, it doesn't have right over those islands and you admit it, so stop claiming them.

The National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NLF), and his government has been taken power in Saigon 1975, they have right to all Islands and territory of South Vietnam. The united Vietnam has been reestablished in 1976 including North and South Vietnam. Islands is part of Trritory of Vietnam.

I reminder you that North Vietnam never said what Chinese is lying now about Islands of Vietnam.
 
It's unpolite when a Vietnamese called China as traitor, specially u didn't understand China foreign politics.

One thing all we can know China and Vietnam didn't signed any allies agreement (China signed military allies with North Korea in 1950s and now still work, but 1960s not with North Vietnam) , in Cold War started from 1960s China stayed out off S.U allies that's why United State seek the normal relationships with China not Vietnam. And Chinese got our interests from the West, u think today economic and development gaps between China and Vietnam started from 2000s ? No the result during whole of Cold War time.

Today ur Vietnamese Company sell many goods to China market and import many goods from China dealers, Vietnam seek business and investment from China, did it mean Chinese become ur master again ? If ur guys hate China so much, why need to trade with us ?

BTW after Cold War ur ever little socialist partners like Hungary, Czech, Poland, these East-Europe countries who ever supported ur Vietnam now all become the West. When Vietnam will join ur partners to follow ur guys called "traitor way" ? ABANDONED !

I can say politely that China changed his friends in cold war.

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I can say politely that China changed his friends in cold war.

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China did not abandon the Soviets first. It was the Soviet Union who abandoned China. Khrushchev denounced Stalin (who he succeeded) and Mao. Khrushchev was a revisionist.


Troll, why don't you learn some history first before you type garbage.
 
It's unpolite when a Vietnamese called China as traitor, specially u didn't understand China foreign politics.

One thing all we can know China and Vietnam didn't signed any allies agreement (China signed military allies with North Korea in 1950s and now still work, but 1960s not with North Vietnam) , in Cold War started from 1960s China stayed out off S.U allies that's why United State seek the normal relationships with China not Vietnam. And Chinese got our interests from the West, u think today economic and development gaps between China and Vietnam started from 2000s ? No the result during whole of Cold War time.
I think you shouldn´t generalize things, not all Viets call you "traitor". For instance, as South Vietnamese, I don´t call you in such way. South Vietnam was a Republic and ally of America. Moreover, traditionally the people in the South have a love and hate relationship with China, and is more or less balanced. We South Vietnamese are more pragmatic. The North Vietnamese are different. As comreades they saw China as partner and ally in the wars against France and America, and were shocked when China supported the Red Khmer and raged war against Vietnam in 1979. Without this sad event, the Sino-Vietnam relationship would look quite differently today.

Though, I suggest we all may stop talking of the past for a while and rather speak of the future as this century belongs to Asia. The last 40 years, since Deng Xiaoping started the economic reform, have been seen as one of the greatest periods of Chinse history. No doubt. I know some of my Viet fellows hate this guy. :agree:

Vietnam must live under the shadow of giant China. That is depressing.
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Today ur Vietnamese Company sell many goods to China market and import many goods from China dealers, Vietnam seek business and investment from China, did it mean Chinese become ur master again ? If ur guys hate China so much, why need to trade with us ?

BTW after Cold War ur ever little socialist partners like Hungary, Czech, Poland, these East-Europe countries who ever supported ur Vietnam now all become the West. When Vietnam will join ur partners to follow ur guys called "traitor way" ? ABANDONED !
You know what? we hate you because of bloody history and like you because of cultures and custom. Most importantly, as long as China does not bully Vietnam, all is fine. It is politics, and involves nationalist sentiment on both sides. As for Sino-VN trade, it is not affected by the current dispute at all. The bilateral trade grows at averaged rate of 20-30% per year. Last year figure stood at $41bn, this year may be 50, next year $60bn. That is not too bad!

As China achieves huge trade surplus in trading with us, I would appreciate if you make real efforts and import more products from Vietnam. That would support a healthy relationship.
 
The North Vienam government is currently ruling Vietnam today, not South Vietnam.
wrong, there is a Vietnamese government and its members come from North as well as South Vietnam.
And thats right, it doesn't have right over those islands and you admit it, so stop claiming them.
wrong again, after unification North and South have become one entity with all commitments and claims of former parts of Vietnam. Sure, North Vietnam as the victor decides rule of the game.
 
this thread is running well. Maybe I ask the mod to make it sticky if possible. @Hu Songshan, what do you think?
 
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