HISTORY OF MALABAR :DISCUSSIONS.

[abjktu]

Now I can understand .That is why a new society that is different than rest of Tamil Kingdom created and known as kerala.

The present Malayali population is a mixture of local ethnic groups.+Syrian Jew/Arab descendants+immigrants from North India/Ceylon..

 

[kalanirnay]

Pottery with Tamil Brahmi script on them found at Pattanam has helped establish that even Jainsim was prevalent in kerala since at least 200 AD i.e. 2nd century.

The script show in the picture shows three Tamil-Brahmi letters are followed by two symbols generally called Megalithic graffiti and these two symbols could not be identified.

The Tamil word “a ma na” meaning a Jaina was derived from Sanskrit Sramana via Prakrit Samana and Tamil Camana.


Further evidence and link of Jain influence in Kerla can be found by observing more reference to the port city of Muziris near Madurai of all places. There is an inscription on the Karadipatti hill in the same brahmi script which says, "Nagaperuthai Muciri Kodan Elamagan" i.e rock-bed was sculpted with donations from a man named Andhai belonging to a village called Naga Perur and also by Elamagan of Muciri Kodu.

There are two other Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions of the first century BCE situated close to this ‘Muciri Kodan' inscription; two exquisite bas-relief sculptures of Jain tirthankaras, belonging to the ninth century CE; two Tamil-Vattezhuttu inscriptions also of ninth century CE; a free-standing sculpture of a tirthankara; a number of vandalised Jain beds cut into the bed-rock; and three faded pre-historic paintings in white kaolin and red ochre, all on the Muthupatti hill.

A copper plate inscription in Tamil Vattezhuttu of the Chera king Bhaskara Ravi Varman of the 10th century CE also mentions the name of the ancient port city of ‘Muciri Kodu.' Kodu means a hill and also the ramparts around a walled city. In the term ‘Muciri Kodan,' the word ‘Kodan' refers to a person from ‘Kodu.'

It should have been preserved in a dry place. The salty water would only deteriorate the wooden frame.

There was also a discovery of a stone anchor, which is believed to have been used by mariners, and the confirmation that the mollusc shells found in the ship belonged to a species that were found in the deep seas.

Any other nation would have excavated this completely and put it in a museum. Trust the "secular" kerala govt. not to preserve anything that will highlight Hindu culture.

 

[Indrani]

nope..He is considered as a psycho killer jihadi in Kerala and coastal Karnataka..Great freedom fighter in rest of India..

That was only after Sanjay Khan made that serial on Tipu Sultan. Before that not many people in North would have known about him.

 

[kalanirnay]

A few more archelogical evidence from Pattnam.

Pot with the Jain inscription.

A large number of glass beads and semi-precious stones were found at Pattanam. A huge collection of beads made of glass and semi-precious stones, waste material from bead manufacturing, fragments of Roman glass bowls (first century B.C./A.D.), terracotta lamps (tentatively dated from B.C. 100 to A.D. 100), iron objects including knives and nails, and hooks and slags (with those made locally having a higher carbon content than the Roman ones), copper objects, including square or circular Chera coins (obtained for the first time in Kerala, from a stratographic context), gold ornaments (right from the Early Historic Period), sherds of coarse ware with Tamil Brahmi letters and graffiti on them (some found this season have pre-firing marks) and modern-day blue-and-white Chinese ceramics have also been found.

An amphora jar, the one below is from the Catalan region in Spain, shown here as an illustration. Excavations at Pattanam have yielded amphora sherds from the Mediterranean littoral including the Catalan area. Significantly, the largest collection of fragments of such Mediterranean amphorae excavated outside the boundaries of the ancient Roman Empire is now from Pattanam.

Terra Sigillata, yet another imported Roman ceramic, a piece of high-quality, stamped tableware discovered at Pattanam. Ceramics like this were earlier discovered at Arikamedu.

There is now evidence of a multi-cultural, urban and maritime society that existed there for at least 3,000 years or more, even before it became an Indo-Roman trade port. Pattanam has yielded the first and only extensive real evidence of the Indian Ocean trade contacts during the Early Historic (B.C. 300 – A.D. 500) and Early Medieval (A.D. 500-1000) periods from the Malabar coast.

Below image is of Cameo Blank, A kind of locally made jewellery known to have been popular in ancient Rome, again found in Pattanam.

The present Malayali population is a mixture of local ethnic groups.+Syrian Jew/Arab descendants+immigrants from North India/Ceylon..

There is no evidence of such mixing. Just because we traded, it does not mean they arabs settled here. The jews did and they did not marry outside their community for most parts. From where did you get the ceylon part ?

 

[kalanirnay]

Here is some fun facts.

In 1601, Emperor Immanuel of Portugal gifted a Royal crown to Highness Veera Kerala Varma, Maharaja of Kochi on his coronation day. Below is the picture of that crown.

The Crown was especially designed by leading Portuguese royal jewellers of Lisbon, this crown is made of pure gold, studded with 101 diamonds, 301 rubies and 1001 several precious stones, as per Hindu texts, based on a model design of Kulashekara Crowns (the Chera Imperial Crown)

The crown was presented by Portuguese Governor to the Maharaja on his coronation day. But Veera Kerala Varma, found the crown to be too extravagant to his simple tastes and hence didn't prefer to adorn it. He couldn't refuse it, being presented as royal gift, which was a symbol/token of friendship.

Hence he adorn the crown on his lap and ever since that, no Kochi Kings ever worn the crown, rather kept on their right laps, during royal functions.

The crown is well preserved along with other Crown jewels at Hill Palace Museum in Tripunithara.

 

[kalanirnay]

However this is the REAL crown of the king of Kerala called the Cheramudi.

The crown is the original crown of the Chera kings handed down from one generation to another for centuries. I think kerala is the only state in India where the crown has not been snatched away by the invaders.

This invaluable crown adored the head of every Chera king till 1750.

That was when, one of the Greatest king of Kerala Maharaja Anizham Thirunal Marthanda Varma also know as "Dharma Raja" offered his entire kingdom along with the Crown, the royal umbrella, the twin white Chauries (fans), the Manikandha and his famous Sword (all signs of Royalty) at the feet of lord Vishnu at Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple in Thiruvananthapuram. Thus making Vishnu the king of Kerala for all times to come.

Ever since the dynasty of this great king is called "Tiru pada swaroopam" or 'similar to lords feet' and Kerala became "gods own country".

 

[SrNair]

The present Malayali population is a mixture of local ethnic groups.+Syrian Jew/Arab descendants+immigrants from North India/Ceylon..

Arab was mostly concentrated in Malabar.Jews dont married from outside community.
But Syrian were expanded all of Kerala .Syrian Catholic is still considered as upper class in Kerala.Nair and Brahmins is also considered as immigrants from other parts of India.

A few more archelogical evidence from Pattnam.

Pot with the Jain inscription.

A large number of glass beads and semi-precious stones were found at Pattanam. A huge collection of beads made of glass and semi-precious stones, waste material from bead manufacturing, fragments of Roman glass bowls (first century B.C./A.D.), terracotta lamps (tentatively dated from B.C. 100 to A.D. 100), iron objects including knives and nails, and hooks and slags (with those made locally having a higher carbon content than the Roman ones), copper objects, including square or circular Chera coins (obtained for the first time in Kerala, from a stratographic context), gold ornaments (right from the Early Historic Period), sherds of coarse ware with Tamil Brahmi letters and graffiti on them (some found this season have pre-firing marks) and modern-day blue-and-white Chinese ceramics have also been found.

An amphora jar, the one below is from the Catalan region in Spain, shown here as an illustration. Excavations at Pattanam have yielded amphora sherds from the Mediterranean littoral including the Catalan area. Significantly, the largest collection of fragments of such Mediterranean amphorae excavated outside the boundaries of the ancient Roman Empire is now from Pattanam.

Terra Sigillata, yet another imported Roman ceramic, a piece of high-quality, stamped tableware discovered at Pattanam. Ceramics like this were earlier discovered at Arikamedu.

There is now evidence of a multi-cultural, urban and maritime society that existed there for at least 3,000 years or more, even before it became an Indo-Roman trade port. Pattanam has yielded the first and only extensive real evidence of the Indian Ocean trade contacts during the Early Historic (B.C. 300 – A.D. 500) and Early Medieval (A.D. 500-1000) periods from the Malabar coast.

Below image is of Cameo Blank, A kind of locally made jewellery known to have been popular in ancient Rome, again found in Pattanam.

There is no evidence of such mixing. Just because we traded, it does not mean they arabs settled here. The jews did and they did not marry outside their community for most parts. From where did you get the ceylon part ?

There is some foreigners influence especially Syrians.
Syrian Catholic beliefs is spreaded due to the settlement of Syrians.

 

[abjktu]

A few more archelogical evidence from Pattnam.

Pot with the Jain inscription.

A large number of glass beads and semi-precious stones were found at Pattanam. A huge collection of beads made of glass and semi-precious stones, waste material from bead manufacturing, fragments of Roman glass bowls (first century B.C./A.D.), terracotta lamps (tentatively dated from B.C. 100 to A.D. 100), iron objects including knives and nails, and hooks and slags (with those made locally having a higher carbon content than the Roman ones), copper objects, including square or circular Chera coins (obtained for the first time in Kerala, from a stratographic context), gold ornaments (right from the Early Historic Period), sherds of coarse ware with Tamil Brahmi letters and graffiti on them (some found this season have pre-firing marks) and modern-day blue-and-white Chinese ceramics have also been found.

An amphora jar, the one below is from the Catalan region in Spain, shown here as an illustration. Excavations at Pattanam have yielded amphora sherds from the Mediterranean littoral including the Catalan area. Significantly, the largest collection of fragments of such Mediterranean amphorae excavated outside the boundaries of the ancient Roman Empire is now from Pattanam.

Terra Sigillata, yet another imported Roman ceramic, a piece of high-quality, stamped tableware discovered at Pattanam. Ceramics like this were earlier discovered at Arikamedu.

There is now evidence of a multi-cultural, urban and maritime society that existed there for at least 3,000 years or more, even before it became an Indo-Roman trade port. Pattanam has yielded the first and only extensive real evidence of the Indian Ocean trade contacts during the Early Historic (B.C. 300 – A.D. 500) and Early Medieval (A.D. 500-1000) periods from the Malabar coast.

Below image is of Cameo Blank, A kind of locally made jewellery known to have been popular in ancient Rome, again found in Pattanam.

There is no evidence of such mixing. Just because we traded, it does not mean they arabs settled here. The jews did and they did not marry outside their community for most parts. From where did you get the ceylon part ?

Arabs-A lot of Muslim families especially around Malabar had Arab ancestry--- Google-Thangal family(they are of Yemeni heritage)...
Jews-google-knanaya Christians of Kerala,they are mix of Syrian Jews+local ethnic population...
Ceylon-Eezhavas...

Arab was mostly concentrated in Malabar.Jews dont married from outside community.
But Syrian were expanded all of Kerala .Syrian Catholic is still considered as upper class in Kerala.Nair and Brahmins is also considered as immigrants from other parts of India.



There is some foreigners influence especially Syrians.
Syrian Catholic beliefs is spreaded due to the settlement of Syrians.

Syrians were Jews then....
Not all Syrian Christians are of Jewish heritage..Only the knanaya sects..
The word Syrian in Syrian Christians denotes Syriac language(Syriac used to be religious language for Nasrani Christians,just like Arabic for Muslims and Sanskrit for Hindus...but unlike Arabic and Sanskrit,Syriac was now almost an extinct one)....

 

[abjktu]

That was only after Sanjay Khan made that serial on Tipu Sultan. Before that not many people in North would have known about him.

BJP government is damn right about our current school curriculum and syllabus..
when i was studying,our social study books were full of mughals,nizams,tippu history and their accomplishments,victories and independence struggles(that too mostly revolving around Gandhi,nehru and some congress leaders)...Not much about our original traditional Indian history and patriotic rulers/ kings..

 

[SrNair]

Arabs-A lot of Muslim families especially around Malabar had Arab ancestry--- Google-Thangal family(they are of Yemeni heritage)...
Jews-google-knanaya Christians of Kerala,they are mix of Syrian Jews+local ethnic population...
Ceylon-Eezhavas...


Syrians were Jews then....
Not all Syrian Christians are of Jewish heritage..Only the knanaya sects..
The word Syrian in Syrian Christians denotes Syriac language(Syriac used to be religious language for Nasrani Christians,just like Arabic for Muslims and Sanskrit for Hindus...but unlike Arabic and Sanskrit,Syriac was now almost an extinct one)....

Ezhava from Ceylon?
That was a new knowledge.
Please explain it.

 

[Indrani]

BJP government is damn right about our current school curriculum and syllabus..
when i was studying,our social study books were full of mughals,nizams,tippu history and their accomplishments,victories and independence struggles(that too mostly revolving around Gandhi,nehru and some congress leaders)...Not much about our original traditional Indian history and patriotic rulers/ kings..

What do you expect? Congress made Islamo-commie Nurul Hasan education minister as well as General Secretary and then the President of the Indian History Congress. This is like giving the wolf the charge of guarding the chicken coop. He and his cronies, the Marxist historians from Bengal white washed the entire Islamic history and made Hindus the villains and Muslims the saviors and creators of Indian civilization.

 

[SrNair]

BJP government is damn right about our current school curriculum and syllabus..
when i was studying,our social study books were full of mughals,nizams,tippu history and their accomplishments,victories and independence struggles(that too mostly revolving around Gandhi,nehru and some congress leaders)...Not much about our original traditional Indian history and patriotic rulers/ kings..

Just check 7th standard history text of Kerala Syllabus .
Prithivaraj Chauhan is small , but Muhammed Ghouri is in large details.

What do you expect? Congress made Islamo-commie Nurul Hasan education minister as well as General Secretary and then the President of the Indian History Congress. This is like giving the wolf the charge of guarding the chicken coop. He and his cronies, the Marxist historians from Bengal white washed the entire Islamic history and made Hindus the villains and Muslims the saviors and creators of Indian civilization.

Plese dont go off topic .
More info about our history we like that.

 

[Indrani]

Plese dont go off topic .
More info about our history we like that.

This was in-topic, not off-topic. Those are the guys who destroyed your history.

 

[SrNair]

Pottery with Tamil Brahmi script on them found at Pattanam has helped establish that even Jainsim was prevalent in kerala since at least 200 AD i.e. 2nd century.

The script show in the picture shows three Tamil-Brahmi letters are followed by two symbols generally called Megalithic graffiti and these two symbols could not be identified.

The Tamil word “a ma na” meaning a Jaina was derived from Sanskrit Sramana via Prakrit Samana and Tamil Camana.


Further evidence and link of Jain influence in Kerla can be found by observing more reference to the port city of Muziris near Madurai of all places. There is an inscription on the Karadipatti hill in the same brahmi script which says, "Nagaperuthai Muciri Kodan Elamagan" i.e rock-bed was sculpted with donations from a man named Andhai belonging to a village called Naga Perur and also by Elamagan of Muciri Kodu.

There are two other Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions of the first century BCE situated close to this ‘Muciri Kodan' inscription; two exquisite bas-relief sculptures of Jain tirthankaras, belonging to the ninth century CE; two Tamil-Vattezhuttu inscriptions also of ninth century CE; a free-standing sculpture of a tirthankara; a number of vandalised Jain beds cut into the bed-rock; and three faded pre-historic paintings in white kaolin and red ochre, all on the Muthupatti hill.

A copper plate inscription in Tamil Vattezhuttu of the Chera king Bhaskara Ravi Varman of the 10th century CE also mentions the name of the ancient port city of ‘Muciri Kodu.' Kodu means a hill and also the ramparts around a walled city. In the term ‘Muciri Kodan,' the word ‘Kodan' refers to a person from ‘Kodu.'



There was also a discovery of a stone anchor, which is believed to have been used by mariners, and the confirmation that the mollusc shells found in the ship belonged to a species that were found in the deep seas.

Any other nation would have excavated this completely and put it in a museum. Trust the "secular" kerala govt. not to preserve anything that will highlight Hindu culture.

Buddha statue in our area .Mavelikkara

As a testament to its link to that flourishing centre of Buddhist culture, Mavelikkara is one of the rare places in Kerala where one can find theStatue of Buddha in Seated Position, which dates back to the 9th century AD.[4]

This was in-topic, not off-topic. Those are the guys who destroyed your history.

You are right.But cursing them wont change anything .
We ,the new generation elected a new govt .Let see what they can do about it.
Now we can dig more info about history of malabar.

 

[Indrani]

Ajit Vadakayil: TIPU SULTAN UNMASKED- CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

This is interesting blog on the gold looted by Tipu Sultan from the temples of Calicut and what happened to that gold.