History of Gilgit-Baltistan, AJK and Jammu Kashmir-Updates and Discussions

[Joe Shearer]

On part of Ladakh conquest i beg to differe what you have written Zorvark singh who was termed as the Neoplan of india had to fight with Budhists and defeated them completely after that during his campains furhter inside the Tibet region he fought near chisul with the Budhist army of Tibet mot china as their was no china at that time Hunza and Blatistan was also par of jis campains me being from the same area have heard many folk lores about Gen. Zoravar Singh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorawar_Singh_Kahluria

Dear Lord.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Do people in Azad Kashmir self identify as Kashmiris? I mean I know the whole J&K state is basically 5 areas - Jammu(Dogri people), AK(Pothohari? Pahari?), Gilgit-Baltistan, Kashmir and Ladakh. Given there are very few native kashmiris on that side of border, isn't there any movement or atleast some recognition of the fact by natives that it isn't a Kashmir proper region?

What the hell are you yapping about?

Dogri people are not natives, they are foreigners that migrated throughout the 1800s-1900s and conducted ethnic cleansing in the region for countless decades. In 1947 alone, over 300,000 Muslims from Jammu and Kashmir were forced into Pakistan by the Dogra regime while around 50,000-100,000 were exterminated.

People of Gilgit Baltistan do not consider themselves as Kashmiris and don't even want to associate themselves as being a part of the Kashmir dispute. They have been fighting for a long time for a full merger into Pakistan and being recognized as a province.

 

[django]

People of Gilgit Baltistan do not consider themselves as Kashmiris and don't even want to associate themselves as being a part of the Kashmir dispute. They have been fighting for a long time for a full merger into Pakistan and being recognized as a province.

Absolutely and they go at great lengths to distinguish themselves from Kashmir, I say give them their recognition.Kudos

 

[ghazi52]

The Early History Of Gilgit (The North Most Territory In Pakistan) Is Thousands Of Years Ago. According To Historians, Human Presence Dates Back To Some 2000 BC In Gilgit-Baltistan Region.

Lockhart And Woodthorpe Were British Army Officers And Explorers Who Went On A Mission To Explore Gilgit-Baltistan And Chitral Region, The Heart Of Himalayas And Mountains.

Source - The Gilgit Mission, 1885-1886.
Author - Colonel Sir W.S.A Lockhart, K.C.B, C.S.I, And Colonel R.G Woodthrope, C.B.
Imprint - London, Printed By Eyre And Spottiswood, Printer's To The Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, 1889.


Kafir Woman, Circa 1885.

 

[halupridol]

Nice thread.
Only one query- what is the time frame for distinguishing natives from non natives?
18th century,,,19th century,,,or 20th century???? Is thr any specific date(like we do)
What about stuff before tht(do they get a clean slate?)

 

[ghazi52]

The people of GB liberated their land without any external help and joined Pakistan unconditionally. Salute to bravery and leadership of officers and men who led the Liberation across the region . May Allah bless their souls.

 

[ghazi52]

Polo Players At Gilgit, Circa 1885.

The Early History Of Gilgit ( GB ) Is Thousands Of Years Ago.

According To Historians, Human Presence Dates Back To Some 2000 BC In Gilgit-Baltistan Region. Lockhart And Woodthorpe Were British Army Officers And Explorers Who Went On A Mission To Explore Gilgit-Baltistan And Chitral Region, The Heart Of Himalayas And Mountains.
Source - The Gilgit Mission, 1885-1886.

 

[ghazi52]

Gilgit Baltistan Scouts identify themselves with Gilgit Scouts which were raised in 1889. This force played a key role in fighting the war of liberation against Dogra Indian Forces in 1947-1948 and won independence for the people of Northern Areas (now Gilgit Baltistan).

 

[ghazi52]

This is a rare picture of the earliest Brushaski speaking settlers of Misgar, probably from Circa 1900 - 1910. Misgar is believed to be part of the ancient Silk route.

The Brushaski speaking population migrated from central Hunza to Misgar upper Hunza, on the orders of the Mir of Hunza about 170 years ago. Before that this region was inhabited a bone of contention between Kirghiz and Wakhi tribesmen. After settling in Misgar the emigrants practiced subsistence agriculture and also kept a check on intruders on the borders, hence defining the Mir’s territorial limits.

Later in 1891, Mir Safder Ali Khan of Hunza with his party fled to Chinese territory via Misgar as he could not defend Hunza against the British, in the war of 1891.

 

[ghazi52]

A group photograph of the Kalash people, (Wearers of Black) from the Hindukush mountains of Chitral.
Date: 1919

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

A trooper of the Azad Kashmir Regular Force on guard, during the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation War.

 

[ghazi52]

Captain Hussain Khan of Kalakot Fakhr-e-Kashmir IDSM OBI sector commander of the nascent Azad troops in Poonch, he fell in action during a grim battle with the retreating Dogra State Forces at Shaheed Gala - 9 miles northeast of Rawalakot, on 11ᵗʰ November, 1947.

on his right, Subedar Baru Khan (posthumous Lieutenant) Mujahid-e-Hydri 36 AK
14ᵗʰ October 1947 Sehnsa Valley, Kotli

on his left, Captain Sher Khan Fakhr-e-Kashmir Sher-e-Jang CO 5 AK
9ᵗʰ July 1948 Chajja Hill, Poonch

Sher Khan made the ultimate sacrifice at the age of 65.

 

[ghazi52]

2 armoured cars belonging to the 7th Light Cavalry of India, seized by PAVO 11th Cavalry of Pakistan, in the Kashmir War. 11C is the only PA armoured regiment to have fought in all three wars.

 

[ghazi52]

Major William Alexander Brown, the liberator of Gilgit Agency.

Commander of Gilgit Scouts, he deposed Brigadier Ghansara Singh, the Maharaja's Governor of Gilgit on 1st November 1947, in a coup d'etat under the codename 'Datta Khel'.

He remained Scouts Commandant till Jan '48.