Hindu temple vandalised in US, symbols of devil worship spray-painted

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christians made a genocide on red indians
christians made a genocide on african aboriginals
christians made a genocide of australian aboriginals
christians committed atrocities on indians for centuries
christians are exploiting the poor and needy
christians killed millions of people on the earth
what to expect from these thugs

They can't be christians look at the symbols 666 is for devil and same goes for upside down Cross

 

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It is just spray is it disrespectful to spray on Hindus temple?

 

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Seriously, shut up. Idk if the Sikh Gurus were born hindoos. Jesus was born a Jew, does that make him one? 1984 was a hindoo genocide against Sikhs.

Not only were Sikhs gurus born Hindus, but till late 1800's (before Akali fanaticism),Sikhs considered themselves to be a sect of Hindus.If you could read old Punjabi, you would find that poem of your gurus were not as anti-idolatrous originally and this component was intentionally forged by tat khalsa translator to make a break from Hinduism.Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.

The Sanatan Sikhs regarded themselves as part of the wider Hindu community (then the dominant view within the Panth), and they tolerated such things as idols in the Golden Temple. The Tat Khalsa, on the other hand, insisted that Sikhism was a distinct and independent faith. The pamphlet Ham Hindu Nahin (1898; “We Are Not Hindus”)

Sanatan Sikhi - The Sanatan Sikhs

The Tat Khalsa was the radical segment of the Singh Sabha movement represented by the Lahore branch, which was founded in 1879 and committed to the belief that Sikhs emphatically were not Hindus. Men such as Kahn Singh Nabha and Vir Singh belonged to this segment and the booklet by Kahn Singh, Hum Hindu Nahin, became its rallying-cry. Sikh history was recast in accordance with this understanding and from this recasting emerged a distinctive historiography.

567 Hew McLeod, The Tat Khalsa and Sikh historiography



Proofs for this:

1. In guru granth sahib, the sikh god is called lakshmi narayan

मुकंद मनोहर लखमी नाराइण ॥
Mukanḏ manohar lakẖmī nārā▫iṇ.
Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God.

We see the mural paintings of lakshmi and vishnu in the ancient ferozpur gurudwara

We are not talking of just names here. Hari is not just a name in guru granth sahib. He is every inch the Hari of the Hindus. the similarities starts from the point of being born to devaki.Both kabir and nanak occasionally took saguna stands. Infact, they called their god chaturbhuj (four armed), shyam sundar(blue skinned) and jadim rai(kings of Yadavas).

Blessed, blessed is that flute which the Lord plays

The sweet, sweet unstruck sound current sings forth.

Blessed, blessed is the wool of the sheep

blessed, blessed is the blanket worn by Krishna

Blessed, blessed are you, O mother Dayvakee

into your home the Lord was born

Blessed, blessed are the forests of Brindaaban

the Supreme Lord plays there

He plays the flute, and herds the cows

Sri Granth: Shabad/Paurhi/Salok SGGS Page 988

संख चक्र गदा है धारी महा सारथी सतसंगा ॥१०॥

He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||
पीत पीत्मबर त्रिभवण धणी ॥

The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.

Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082


Here guru granth sahib describing god as four armed.

धारि खेलु चतुरभुजु कहाइआ ॥
Ḏẖār kẖel cẖaṯurbẖuj kahā▫i▫ā.
He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.

Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
किते क्रिसन से कीट कोटै बनाए ॥ किते राम से मेटि डारे उपाए ॥
Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama.

Sri Dasam Granth Sahib

2.Bhai gurdas, the foremost disciple of sikh gurus, the man who complied Guru granth sahib and who is regarded as next to the gurus themselves had the following to say about Ramayana

Controlling the mighty age, i.e. conquering the time, Ravan adopted evil in his heart (and stole Sita).

Ram was a spotless person and due to his sense of dharma (responsibility), even the stones floated in ocean.

On account of wickedness Ravan went away (was killed) with the stigma of stealing another's wife.

Ramayan (the story of Ram) is ever firm (in the mind of people) and whosoever seeks shelter (in it) goes across (the world ocean).

Dharma-abiding people earn glory in the world and those who undertake evil adventures get infamy.

Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar31-Pauri18-ਰਾਮ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਵਣ-Ram and Ravanਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

3. Guru granth included the sayings of Namdeva, Ramananada, Paramananda,Kabir, Sain, Pipa,sadhna, trilochan, Jaydeva, Surdas, meerabai etc..,.

Now all of them have one thing in common. They are all vaishnavites. You can see that not one shaivite sant is included. Vaishnavas are praised in guru granth.It is said in guru granth that the dog of vaishnava is better than a non vaishnavite. Even sikh gurus called themselves 'parama vaishnavas' in guru granth sahib

4.. Guru Arjan dev himself confessed that he worshiped shaligram (vishnu idol). Infact, he was the one who installed the idol of vishnu in harmandir sahib, which stood there until 1923 before it was thrown out by akali sikhs.

सालगिरामु हमारै सेवा ॥

Such is the Saalagraam, the stone idol, which I serve;

पूजा अरचा बंदन देवा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

such is my worship, flower-offerings and divine adoration as well.

Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

5. Nanak praying to Vishnu in 1800's Sikh painting.

6. The word Waheguru does not occur AT ALL in the bani of gurus! Not even once.When Nanak composed Japji sahib he had not even heard of waheguru.

It was first used by bhatts. Bhatts were just family poets in later day sikhism. They did not initally use the word waheguru as god.Waheguru was used in the sense of "wahiguru"-meaning 'praise to th

Later, Bhai Gurdas, the person who compiled the gurbani, first wrote about Waheguru. But waheguru only meant VISHNU. That's right. Waheguru meant vishnu in early sikhism.This can be seen in the works of bhai gurdas and santokh singh

In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.


The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.

In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.


In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.

The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man

When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered

The jiv merges again in its origin

Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

7.Nirmalayas and sewapathis were sent by Guru Gobind himself to varanasi to learn vedic scriptures and become religious scholars. Nirmalayas and sewapathis are sanatan sikhs

Udasis existed from the time of Nanak and they also trace a line from Nanak's brothers.The udasis are mentioned in the chronicles of Jahangir and are the oldest sikh sect.Udasis are sanatan sikh as well


Infact, Tat khalsa sikhs do not have any history and came up only in 1880's.

8. The Sanatani sikhs such as udasis belonged to the family of gurus and completely managed the religious affairs. Nihangs managed military affairs. Sikhisn was entirely sanatan. Even today, rural sikhs frequent hindu temples. Naina devi temple has double the turnout of sikhs as does hindus. Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.

9. The mother goddess durga appears right in Guru granth sahib. And she appears in japji sahib, the most sacred prayer of sikhs. And she appears as the ONE greatest mother of all the gods including brahma(creator) vishnu(sustainer) and shiva(destroyer)

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
एका माई जुगति विआई तिनि चेले परवाणु ॥
Ėkā mā▫ī jugaṯ vi▫ā▫ī ṯin cẖele parvāṇ.

The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
इकु संसारी इकु भंडारी इकु लाए दीबाणु ॥
Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā▫e ḏībāṇ.

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib


10. Prem sumarag, an old scripture of sikhs, asks sikh kings to keep listening to vedas.

Prem Sumarag: The Testimony of a Sanatan Sikh

11. In sikh scripture Dasam Granth written by guru Gobind singh, goddess Durga is called 'parabrahman'-The one and only greatest goddess. She is also called the creator and destroyer. She is called the cause of all causes.She is eternal. There is nobody above her. Even the supreme god waheguru gets his power from Durga. In contrast, waheguru does NOT appear at all in Dasam Granth. His name is found only at Index

ਨਮੋ ਸੂਲਣੀ ਸੈਹਥੀ ਪਾਣਿ ਮਾਤਾ ॥
नमो सूलणी सैहथी पाणि माता ॥
Thou art the mother of the universe and wielder of trident and dagger.
ਨਮੋ ਤਾਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਣੀਅੰ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੀ ॥੧੯॥੨੩੮॥
नमो तारणी कारणीअं क्रिपाणी ॥१९॥२३८॥
The deliverer of all, the cause of causes and the manifestation of the sword! I salute Thee.19.238.

ਥਪੇ ਖਾਪਣੀ ਥਾਪਣੀ ਸਰਬ ਸੋਗਾ ॥
थपे खापणी थापणी सरब सोगा ॥
Thou art the creator of all interests and also their destroyer.

ਨਮੋ ਪੋਖਣੀ ਸੋਖਣੀ ਸਰਬ ਭਰਣੀ ॥
नमो पोखणी सोखणी सरब भरणी ॥
Preserver of all and destroyer of all;

ਨਮੋ ਪਰਮ ਪਰਮੇਸ੍ਵਰੀ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਣੀ ॥
नमो परम परमेस्वरी धरम करणी ॥
O the power of righteousness of the Supreme Lord!

ਨਮੋ ਕਾਰਣੀ ਤਾਰਣੀ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟ ਭਰਣੀ ॥੨੦॥੨੩੯॥
नमो कारणी तारणी स्रिसट भरणी ॥२०॥२३९॥
The sustainer of the world and the cause of all causes! I salute Thee.20.239.

ਨਮੋ ਤਾਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਣੀਯੰ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥
नमो तारणी कारणीयं अपारा ॥
Thou art the deliverer of all, I salute Thee.

ਅਛੇਦੰ ਅਭੇਦੰ ਅਕਰਮੰ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੰ ॥
अछेदं अभेदं अकरमं सु धरमं ॥
Thou art indestructible, indistinguishable, deedless and Dhrma-incarnate.

ਅਜੇਯੰ ਅਭੇਯੰ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਨਿਤਯੰ ॥
अजेयं अभेयं निरंकार नितयं ॥
Thou art unconquerable, indistinguishable, formless, eternal;

ਨਿਰੂਪੰ ਨ੍ਰਿਬਾਣੰ ਨਮਿਤਯੰ ਅਕ੍ਰਿਤਯੰ ॥੩੩॥੨੫੨॥
निरूपं न्रिबाणं नमितयं अक्रितयं ॥३३॥२५२॥
Shapeless and the cause of nirvana (salvation) and all the works

Sri Dasam Granth Sahib


Dasam granth, the scripture written by him is full of tantric themes and veneration of goddess durga

Here is one such sample-

ਨਮੋ ਮਹਿਖ ਦਈਤ ਕੋ ਅੰਤ ਕਰਣੀ ॥
नमो महिख दईत को अंत करणी ॥
O the manifestation of supreme steel armour, O the destroyer of Mahishasura.

ਨਮੋ ਤੋਖਣੀ ਸੋਖਣੀ ਸਰਬ ਇਰਣੀ ॥੬॥੨੨੫॥
नमो तोखणी सोखणी सरब इरणी ॥६॥२२५॥
Destroyer of all, the killer of all! I salute Thee.6.225.

ਬਿੜਾਲਾਛ ਹੰਤੀ ਕਰੂਰਾਛ ਘਾਯਾ ॥
बिड़ालाछ हंती करूराछ घाया ॥
O the killer of Biralachh, the destroyer of Karurachh.

ਦਿਜਗਿ ਦਯਾਰਦਨੀਅੰ ਨਮੋ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਯਾ ॥
दिजगि दयारदनीअं नमो जोग माया ॥
O the one showing mercy on Brahma in her delight, O Yog Maya! I salute Thee.

ਨਮੋ ਭੈਰਵੀ ਭਾਰਗਵੀਅੰ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਜੋਗ ਜ੍ਵਾਲੰ ਧਰੀ ਸਰਬ ਮਾਨੀ ॥੭॥੨੨੬॥
नमो भैरवी भारगवीअं भवानी ॥ नमो जोग ज्वालं धरी सरब मानी ॥७॥२२६॥
O Bhairavi, Bhavani, Jalandhari and the Destiny through all! I salute Thee.7.226.

ਅਧੀ ਉਰਧਵੀ ਆਪ ਰੂਪਾ ਅਪਾਰੀ ॥
अधी उरधवी आप रूपा अपारी ॥
Thou art seated everywhere, up and below.

ਰਮਾ ਰਸਟਰੀ ਕਾਮ ਰੂਪਾ ਕੁਮਾਰੀ ॥
रमा रसटरी काम रूपा कुमारी ॥
Thou art Lakshmi, Kamakhya and Kumar Kanya.

ਭਵੀ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਭੈਰਵੀ ਭੀਮ ਰੂਪਾ ॥
भवी भावनी भैरवी भीम रूपा ॥
Thou art Bhavani and manifestation of Bhairavi and Bhima,

ਨਮੋ ਹਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਪਿੰਗੁਲਾਯੰ ਅਨੂਪਾ ॥੮॥੨੨੭॥
नमो हिंगुला पिंगुलायं अनूपा ॥८॥२२७॥
Thou art seated at Hinglaj and Pinglaj, Thou art unique! I salute Thee.8.227.

ਨਮੋ ਜੁਧਨੀ ਕਧੁ੍ਰਨੀ ਕ੍ਰੂਰ ਕਰਮਾ ॥
नमो जुधनी कधु्रनी क्रूर करमा ॥
Thou art the performer of dreadful acts, while infuriated in the battlefield.

ਮਹਾਂ ਬੁਧਿਨੀ ਸਿਧਿਨੀ ਸੁਧ ਕਰਮਾ ॥
महां बुधिनी सिधिनी सुध करमा ॥
Thou art most wise, master of powers and doer of pure deeds.
ਪਰੀ ਪਦਮਿਨੀ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਪਰਮ ਰੂਪਾ ॥
परी पदमिनी पारबती परम रूपा ॥
Thou art most beautiful like and apsara (heavenly damsel), Padmini and the goddess Parbati.

ਸਿਵੀ ਬਾਸਿਵੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮੀ ਰਿਧ ਕੂਪਾ ॥੯॥੨੨੮॥
सिवी बासिवी ब्राहमी रिध कूपा ॥९॥२२८॥
Thou art the source of power of Shiva, the power of Indra and the power of Brahma! I salute Thee.9.228.

ਮਿੜਾ ਮਾਰਜਨੀ ਸੂਰਤਵੀ ਮੋਹ ਕਰਤਾ ॥
मिड़ा मारजनी सूरतवी मोह करता ॥
Enchantress of the ghosts and goblins!


Source: Shri Dasam granth Sahib written by Guru gobind singh page 287

12. The Guru Gobind actually tried to sacrifice his sons to Hindu goddess Durga.

No, Hindus are not saying this. This was narrated in Sikh scripture Gurbilas itself. It was also recorded by Indologists of 1800's

Infact, Sir monier williams, considered the father of Indology, himself confirms that Guru gobind tried to sacrifice his son to goddess Durga and only backed off when his wife vehemently opposed it.Instead, he sacrified his disciples(panj pyare) to Durga.

Reference-

Brahmanism and Hinduism. Sir monier williams-page 166


https://books.google.co.in/books?id=...0durga&f=false

13. Sikhs fo those age did NOT consider themselves to be a distinct religion from Hinduism .The khalsa sikhs had goddess Durga and Hanuman on their flag.

14. The sikhs who fought jihadis such as nihangs are hindu even today.They along with udasis and nirmalayas call themselves sanatan sikhs. The majority khalsa sikhs were just laymen householders who blinded followed tat khalsa singh sabha.The nihangs fought the war .39 nihangs under akali phula nihang singh defeated afghans in a battle.

15. Only two crimes which carried death penalty in Sikh empire was 1. Cow slaughter 2. Adhan.

When Muslims defiled Golden Temple, they used cow carcass for a reason.



I think I have made my case pretty well. Before Tat Khalsa cause schism between Sikhism and Hinduism in 1870's, Sikhs were practically a sect of Hinduism rather than a separate religion..

@Bishnoo loves Beef , I do expect a reply from you.

@uparyupari @SarthakGanguly , You people may also be interested in this nugget of history.

 

[uparyupari]

Not only were Sikhs gurus born Hindus, but till late 1800's (before Akali fanaticism),Sikhs considered themselves to be a sect of Hindus.If you could read old Punjabi, you would find that poem of your gurus were not as anti-idolatrous originally and this component was intentionally forged by tat khalsa translator to make a break from Hinduism.Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.



Sanatan Sikhi - The Sanatan Sikhs



567 Hew McLeod, The Tat Khalsa and Sikh historiography



Proofs for this:

1. In guru granth sahib, the sikh god is called lakshmi narayan




2. We see the mural paintings of lakshmi and vishnu in the ancient ferozpur gurudwara

View attachment 216336​

We are not talking of just names here. Hari is not just a name in guru granth sahib. He is every inch the Hari of the Hindus. the similarities starts from the point of being born to devaki.Both kabir and nanak occasionally took saguna stands. Infact, they called their god chaturbhuj (four armed), shyam sundar(blue skinned) and jadim rai(kings of Yadavas).



Sri Granth: Shabad/Paurhi/Salok SGGS Page 988




Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082


Here guru granth sahib describing god as four armed.



Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082




Sri Dasam Granth Sahib

3.Bhai gurdas, the foremost disciple of sikh gurus, the man who complied Guru granth sahib and who is regarded as next to the gurus themselves had the following to say about Ramayana



Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar31-Pauri18-ਰਾਮ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਵਣ-Ram and Ravanਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

4. Guru granth included the sayings of Namdeva, Ramananada, Paramananda,Kabir, Sain, Pipa,sadhna, trilochan, Jaydeva, Surdas, meerabai etc..,.

Now all of them have one thing in common. They are all vaishnavites. You can see that not one shaivite sant is included. Vaishnavas are praised in guru granth.It is said in guru granth that the dog of vaishnava is better than a non vaishnavite. Even sikh gurus called themselves 'parama vaishnavas' in guru granth sahib

5. Guru Arjan dev himself confessed that he worshiped shaligram (vishnu idol). Infact, he was the one who installed the idol of vishnu in harmandir sahib, which stood there until 1923 before it was thrown out by akali sikhs.



Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

6. Nanak praying to Vishnu in 1800's Sikh painting.

7. The word Waheguru does not occur AT ALL in the bani of gurus! Not even once.When Nanak composed Japji sahib he had not even heard of waheguru.

It was first used by bhatts. Bhatts were just family poets in later day sikhism. They did not initally use the word waheguru as god.Waheguru was used in the sense of "wahiguru"-meaning 'praise to th

Later, Bhai Gurdas, the person who compiled the gurbani, first wrote about Waheguru. But waheguru only meant VISHNU. That's right. Waheguru meant vishnu in early sikhism.This can be seen in the works of bhai gurdas and santokh singh




Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com

8.Nirmalayas and sewapathis were sent by Guru Gobind himself to varanasi to learn vedic scriptures and become religious scholars. Nirmalayas and sewapathis are sanatan sikhs

Udasis existed from the time of Nanak and they also trace a line from Nanak's brothers.The udasis are mentioned in the chronicles of Jahangir and are the oldest sikh sect.Udasis are sanatan sikh as well


Infact, Tat khalsa sikhs do not have any history and came up only in 1880's.

9. The Sanatani sikhs such as udasis belonged to the family of gurus and completely managed the religious affairs. Nihangs managed military affairs. Sikhisn was entirely sanatan. Even today, rural sikhs frequent hindu temples. Naina devi temple has double the turnout of sikhs as does hindus. Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.

10. The mother goddess durga appears right in Guru granth sahib. And she appears in japji sahib, the most sacred prayer of sikhs. And she appears as the ONE greatest mother of all the gods including brahma(creator) vishnu(sustainer) and shiva(destroyer)



Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib


11. Prem sumarag, an old scripture of sikhs, asks sikh kings to keep listening to vedas.

Prem Sumarag: The Testimony of a Sanatan Sikh

12. In sikh scripture Dasam Granth written by guru Gobind singh, goddess Durga is called 'parabrahman'-The one and only greatest goddess. She is also called the creator and destroyer. She is called the cause of all causes.She is eternal. There is nobody above her. Even the supreme god waheguru gets his power from Durga. In contrast, waheguru does NOT appear at all in Dasam Granth. His name is found only at Index



Sri Dasam Granth Sahib


Dasam granth, the scripture written by him is full of tantric themes and veneration of goddess durga

Here is one such sample-





13. The Guru Gobind actually tried to sacrifice his sons to Hindu goddess Durga.

No, Hindus are not saying this. This was narrated in Sikh scripture Gurbilas itself. It was also recorded by Indologists of 1800's

Infact, Sir monier williams, considered the father of Indology, himself confirms that Guru gobind tried to sacrifice his son to goddess Durga and only backed off when his wife vehemently opposed it.Instead, he sacrified his disciples(panj pyare) to Durga.

Reference-

Brahmanism and Hinduism. Sir monier williams-page 166


https://books.google.co.in/books?id=...0durga&f=false

14. Sikhs fo those age did NOT consider themselves to be a distinct religion from Hinduism .The khalsa sikhs had goddess Durga on their flag.

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15. The sikhs who fought jihadis such as nihangs are hindu even today.They along with udasis and nirmalayas call themselves sanatan sikhs. The majority khalsa sikhs were just laymen householders who blinded followed tat khalsa singh sabha.The nihangs fought the war .39 nihangs under akali phula nihang singh defeated afghans in a battle.

16. Only two crimes which carried death penalty in Sikh empire was 1. Cow slaughter 2. Adhan.

When Muslims defiled Golden Temple, they used cow carcass for a reason.



I think I have made my case pretty well. Before Tat Khalsa cause schism in Sikhism and Hinduism in 1870's, Sikhs were practically a sect of Hinduism rather than a separate religion..

@Bishnoo loves Beef , I do expect a reply from you.

@uparyupari @SarthakGanguly , You people may also be interested in this nugget of history.

I was loosely aware the Sikhism was part of Hinduism but it was not aware that Tat Khalsa was a strategic creation of the British church.

Thank you for tagging me in this. Your post was very informative.

 

[anonymus]

I was loosely aware the Sikhism was part of Hinduism but it was not aware that Tat Khalsa was a strategic creation of the British church.

Thank you for tagging me in this. Your post was very informative.

Sikhism is to Hinduism what Ahemadi are to Islam (theologically).

Had Tat Khalsa not embarked upon a campaign of purging Sikhism of Hindu influence, Sikhism would have been just an extension of Vaishnavism.

Sikhism was more of a Hindu reaction to sword of Islam. In Punjab, there was tradition of Hindus sending their eldest son to Khalsa.


Causing Schisms; Dalits vs Brahmins, Aryans vs Dravidians etc is favorite hobby of Christian missionaries.

Christianity has much higher potential to harm other religions because of its well oiled propaganda arm.

 

[Lucid Thoughts]

Not only were Sikhs gurus born Hindus, but till late 1800's (before Akali fanaticism),Sikhs considered themselves to be a sect of Hindus.If you could read old Punjabi, you would find that poem of your gurus were not as anti-idolatrous originally and this component was intentionally forged by tat khalsa translator to make a break from Hinduism.Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.



Proofs for this:

1. In guru granth sahib, the sikh god is called lakshmi narayan




We see the mural paintings of lakshmi and vishnu in the ancient ferozpur gurudwara

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We are not talking of just names here. Hari is not just a name in guru granth sahib. He is every inch the Hari of the Hindus. the similarities starts from the point of being born to devaki.Both kabir and nanak occasionally took saguna stands. Infact, they called their god chaturbhuj (four armed), shyam sundar(blue skinned) and jadim rai(kings of Yadavas).


Here guru granth sahib describing god as four armed.


2.Bhai gurdas, the foremost disciple of sikh gurus, the man who complied Guru granth sahib and who is regarded as next to the gurus themselves had the following to say about Ramayana


3. Guru granth included the sayings of Namdeva, Ramananada, Paramananda,Kabir, Sain, Pipa,sadhna, trilochan, Jaydeva, Surdas, meerabai etc..,.

Now all of them have one thing in common. They are all vaishnavites. You can see that not one shaivite sant is included. Vaishnavas are praised in guru granth.It is said in guru granth that the dog of vaishnava is better than a non vaishnavite. Even sikh gurus called themselves 'parama vaishnavas' in guru granth sahib

4.. Guru Arjan dev himself confessed that he worshiped shaligram (vishnu idol). Infact, he was the one who installed the idol of vishnu in harmandir sahib, which stood there until 1923 before it was thrown out by akali sikhs.

5. Nanak praying to Vishnu in 1800's Sikh painting.

6. The word Waheguru does not occur AT ALL in the bani of gurus! Not even once.When Nanak composed Japji sahib he had not even heard of waheguru.

It was first used by bhatts. Bhatts were just family poets in later day sikhism. They did not initally use the word waheguru as god.Waheguru was used in the sense of "wahiguru"-meaning 'praise to th

Later, Bhai Gurdas, the person who compiled the gurbani, first wrote about Waheguru. But waheguru only meant VISHNU. That's right. Waheguru meant vishnu in early sikhism.This can be seen in the works of bhai gurdas and santokh singh


7.Nirmalayas and sewapathis were sent by Guru Gobind himself to varanasi to learn vedic scriptures and become religious scholars. Nirmalayas and sewapathis are sanatan sikhs

Udasis existed from the time of Nanak and they also trace a line from Nanak's brothers.The udasis are mentioned in the chronicles of Jahangir and are the oldest sikh sect.Udasis are sanatan sikh as well


Infact, Tat khalsa sikhs do not have any history and came up only in 1880's.

8. The Sanatani sikhs such as udasis belonged to the family of gurus and completely managed the religious affairs. Nihangs managed military affairs. Sikhisn was entirely sanatan. Even today, rural sikhs frequent hindu temples. Naina devi temple has double the turnout of sikhs as does hindus. Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.

9. The mother goddess durga appears right in Guru granth sahib. And she appears in japji sahib, the most sacred prayer of sikhs. And she appears as the ONE greatest mother of all the gods including brahma(creator) vishnu(sustainer) and shiva(destroyer)

10. Prem sumarag, an old scripture of sikhs, asks sikh kings to keep listening to vedas.

11. In sikh scripture Dasam Granth written by guru Gobind singh, goddess Durga is called 'parabrahman'-The one and only greatest goddess. She is also called the creator and destroyer. She is called the cause of all causes.She is eternal. There is nobody above her. Even the supreme god waheguru gets his power from Durga. In contrast, waheguru does NOT appear at all in Dasam Granth. His name is found only at Index

Dasam granth, the scripture written by him is full of tantric themes and veneration of goddess durga

Here is one such sample-


12. The Guru Gobind actually tried to sacrifice his sons to Hindu goddess Durga.

No, Hindus are not saying this. This was narrated in Sikh scripture Gurbilas itself. It was also recorded by Indologists of 1800's

Infact, Sir monier williams, considered the father of Indology, himself confirms that Guru gobind tried to sacrifice his son to goddess Durga and only backed off when his wife vehemently opposed it.Instead, he sacrified his disciples(panj pyare) to Durga.

Reference-

Brahmanism and Hinduism. Sir monier williams-page 166


13. Sikhs fo those age did NOT consider themselves to be a distinct religion from Hinduism .The khalsa sikhs had goddess Durga and Hanuman on their flag.

View attachment 216341 View attachment 216342

14. The sikhs who fought jihadis such as nihangs are hindu even today.They along with udasis and nirmalayas call themselves sanatan sikhs. The majority khalsa sikhs were just laymen householders who blinded followed tat khalsa singh sabha.The nihangs fought the war .39 nihangs under akali phula nihang singh defeated afghans in a battle.

15. Only two crimes which carried death penalty in Sikh empire was 1. Cow slaughter 2. Adhan.

When Muslims defiled Golden Temple, they used cow carcass for a reason.



I think I have made my case pretty well. Before Tat Khalsa cause schism between Sikhism and Hinduism in 1870's, Sikhs were practically a sect of Hinduism rather than a separate religion..

@Bishnoo loves Beef , I do expect a reply from you.

@uparyupari @SarthakGanguly , You people may also be interested in this nugget of history.

@waz @Horus @WebMaster

Spreading lies, and that to of religion is against forum policies. I am deeply offended by this attack on my religion.

 

[anonymus]

@waz @Horus @WebMaster

Spreading lies, and that to of religion is against forum policies. I am deeply offended by this attack on my religion.

What Lies???

All my sources are Sikh sources. I have not even presented a single sentence without backing myself with proper proofs, and not proofs as in nameless blogs but one from such as Dasam granth Sahib and Guru granth Sahib and accounts of British Indologists.

Your tantrum just proves that you are not intellectually capable of refuting an argument presented with solid proof.

 

[uparyupari]

Sikhism is to Hinduism what Ahemadi are to Islam (theologically).

Had Tat Khalsa not embarked upon a campaign of purging Sikhism of Hindu influence, Sikhism would have been just an extension of Vaishnavism.

Sikhism was more of a Hindu reaction to sword of Islam. In Punjab, there was tradition of Hindus sending their eldest son to Khalsa.

Causing Schisms; Dalits vs Brahmins, Aryans vs Dravidians etc is favorite hobby of Christian missionaries.

Christianity has much higher potential to harm other religions because of its well oiled propaganda arm.

The Christian missionaries are not along in this. The are supported by our "secular" sepoys.

 

[Lucid Thoughts]

What Lies???

All my sources are Sikh sources. I have not even presented a single sentence without backing myself with proper proofs, and not proofs such as Dasam granth Sahib and Guru granth Sahib.

Your tantrum just proves that you are not intellectually capable of refuting argument presented with solid proof.

a hindoo whose people have an IQ of 82 telling me I'm intellectually incapable, lol. 1st yindoo, Dasam Granth is not cannon, only SGGS is.


What is our first prayer:

Gurmuki: ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
Transliteration: ikk ōankār sat(i)-nām(u) karatā purakh(u) nirabha'u niravair(u) akāl(a) mūrat(i) ajūnī saibhan gur(a) prasād(i).
English: “Universal Oneness, The supreme Unchangeable Truth and that is the Onkar, The Creator of the Universe, Beyond Fear, Beyond Hatred, Beyond Death, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent, by the Guru's Grace”
IK ONKAR, ONE GOD.

The rest of your post is even stupider

Using words like Namdeva, Ramananada, Paramananda,Kabir, Sain, Pipa,sadhna, trilochan, Jaydeva, Surdas, meerabai means we are hindoos?

We also call god Allah, raab, and various other Islamic names. Does that make us muslim too?

Face it you cow worshipper, we are nothing like you.

 

[OneMORETime]

It's expected.. With out extreme right wing nut jobs going gaga over Christians here in India, their Christian counterparts too is going gaga in the West..
Both should be condemned...

 

[AUz]

If it was a Mosque, all indians on this forum would have been justifying it. lol...

 

[Lucid Thoughts]

If it was a Mosque, all indians on this forum would have been justifying it. lol...

They would have been celebrating it. Remember Babri Masjid? They still justify it to this day.

 

[flamer84]

christians made halocaust on jews
christians made a genocide on red indians
christians made a genocide on african aboriginals
christians made a genocide of australian aboriginals
christians committed atrocities on indians for centuries
christians are exploiting the poor and needy
christians killed millions of people on the earth
what to expect from these thugs

Son,you have a lot of anger in you.Unfortunately,this makes you a prime candidate for eternal damnation and hellfire in the after life.Calm down and repent.

They can't be christians look at the symbols 666 is for devil and same goes for upside down Cross

No Christian would youse satanic symbols but that poster is an idiot so he wouldn't know that.He's to busy being outraged.He'll probably rape a nun to vent out.

 

[Metanoia]

Judging by the "devil worshiping symbols"....I am quite certain that this was nothing more than an attempt at real life trolling.

 

[SelfServeFive]

It's time for Christians to do their own ghar wapsi on Hindus!