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Not only were Sikhs gurus born Hindus, but till late 1800's (before Akali fanaticism),Sikhs considered themselves to be a sect of Hindus.If you could read old Punjabi, you would find that poem of your gurus were not as anti-idolatrous originally and this component was intentionally forged by tat khalsa translator to make a break from Hinduism.Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.
Sanatan Sikhi - The Sanatan Sikhs
567 Hew McLeod, The Tat Khalsa and Sikh historiography
Proofs for this:
1. In guru granth sahib, the sikh god is called lakshmi narayan
We see the mural paintings of lakshmi and vishnu in the ancient ferozpur gurudwara
We are not talking of just names here. Hari is not just a name in guru granth sahib. He is every inch the Hari of the Hindus. the similarities starts from the point of being born to devaki.Both kabir and nanak occasionally took saguna stands. Infact, they called their god chaturbhuj (four armed), shyam sundar(blue skinned) and jadim rai(kings of Yadavas).
Sri Granth: Shabad/Paurhi/Salok SGGS Page 988
Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082
Here guru granth sahib describing god as four armed.
Sri Granth: Amrit Keertan SGGS Page 1082
Sri Dasam Granth Sahib
2.Bhai gurdas, the foremost disciple of sikh gurus, the man who complied Guru granth sahib and who is regarded as next to the gurus themselves had the following to say about Ramayana
Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar31-Pauri18-ਰਾਮ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਵਣ-Ram and Ravanਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com
3. Guru granth included the sayings of Namdeva, Ramananada, Paramananda,Kabir, Sain, Pipa,sadhna, trilochan, Jaydeva, Surdas, meerabai etc..,.
Now all of them have one thing in common. They are all vaishnavites. You can see that not one shaivite sant is included. Vaishnavas are praised in guru granth.It is said in guru granth that the dog of vaishnava is better than a non vaishnavite. Even sikh gurus called themselves 'parama vaishnavas' in guru granth sahib
4.. Guru Arjan dev himself confessed that he worshiped shaligram (vishnu idol). Infact, he was the one who installed the idol of vishnu in harmandir sahib, which stood there until 1923 before it was thrown out by akali sikhs.
Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com
5. Nanak praying to Vishnu in 1800's Sikh painting.
6. The word Waheguru does not occur AT ALL in the bani of gurus! Not even once.When Nanak composed Japji sahib he had not even heard of waheguru.
It was first used by bhatts. Bhatts were just family poets in later day sikhism. They did not initally use the word waheguru as god.Waheguru was used in the sense of "wahiguru"-meaning 'praise to th
Later, Bhai Gurdas, the person who compiled the gurbani, first wrote about Waheguru. But waheguru only meant VISHNU. That's right. Waheguru meant vishnu in early sikhism.This can be seen in the works of bhai gurdas and santokh singh
Vaaran Bhai Gurdas:- Vaar1-Pauri49-ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ-Waheguru mantarਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ :-SearchGurbani.com
7.Nirmalayas and sewapathis were sent by Guru Gobind himself to varanasi to learn vedic scriptures and become religious scholars. Nirmalayas and sewapathis are sanatan sikhs
Udasis existed from the time of Nanak and they also trace a line from Nanak's brothers.The udasis are mentioned in the chronicles of Jahangir and are the oldest sikh sect.Udasis are sanatan sikh as well
Infact, Tat khalsa sikhs do not have any history and came up only in 1880's.
8. The Sanatani sikhs such as udasis belonged to the family of gurus and completely managed the religious affairs. Nihangs managed military affairs. Sikhisn was entirely sanatan. Even today, rural sikhs frequent hindu temples. Naina devi temple has double the turnout of sikhs as does hindus. Tat khalsa were just a group of sikhs educated in christian convents who considered polytheism inferior and went to purge sikhism completely of it. I am merely repeating what mc leod said.
9. The mother goddess durga appears right in Guru granth sahib. And she appears in japji sahib, the most sacred prayer of sikhs. And she appears as the ONE greatest mother of all the gods including brahma(creator) vishnu(sustainer) and shiva(destroyer)
Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib
10. Prem sumarag, an old scripture of sikhs, asks sikh kings to keep listening to vedas.
Prem Sumarag: The Testimony of a Sanatan Sikh
11. In sikh scripture Dasam Granth written by guru Gobind singh, goddess Durga is called 'parabrahman'-The one and only greatest goddess. She is also called the creator and destroyer. She is called the cause of all causes.She is eternal. There is nobody above her. Even the supreme god waheguru gets his power from Durga. In contrast, waheguru does NOT appear at all in Dasam Granth. His name is found only at Index
Sri Dasam Granth Sahib
Dasam granth, the scripture written by him is full of tantric themes and veneration of goddess durga
Here is one such sample-
12. The Guru Gobind actually tried to sacrifice his sons to Hindu goddess Durga.
No, Hindus are not saying this. This was narrated in Sikh scripture Gurbilas itself. It was also recorded by Indologists of 1800's
Infact, Sir monier williams, considered the father of Indology, himself confirms that Guru gobind tried to sacrifice his son to goddess Durga and only backed off when his wife vehemently opposed it.Instead, he sacrified his disciples(panj pyare) to Durga.
Reference-
Brahmanism and Hinduism. Sir monier williams-page 166
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=...0durga&f=false
13. Sikhs fo those age did NOT consider themselves to be a distinct religion from Hinduism .The khalsa sikhs had goddess Durga and Hanuman on their flag.
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14. The sikhs who fought jihadis such as nihangs are hindu even today.They along with udasis and nirmalayas call themselves sanatan sikhs. The majority khalsa sikhs were just laymen householders who blinded followed tat khalsa singh sabha.The nihangs fought the war .39 nihangs under akali phula nihang singh defeated afghans in a battle.
15. Only two crimes which carried death penalty in Sikh empire was 1. Cow slaughter 2. Adhan.
When Muslims defiled Golden Temple, they used cow carcass for a reason.
I think I have made my case pretty well. Before Tat Khalsa cause schism between Sikhism and Hinduism in 1870's, Sikhs were practically a sect of Hinduism rather than a separate religion..
@Bishnoo loves Beef , I do expect a reply from you.
@uparyupari @SarthakGanguly , You people may also be interested in this nugget of history.
Bhai, great posts !!! As far as sikhs worshipping hindu gods is concerned.. can't speak of punjabi sikhs but in hyd sikhs are very close to hindus.. a large no. of them attend sri ram shoba yatra, hanuman divas and ganesh nimarjan rallies.. moreover I visited a gurudwara in hyd which had idols of hindu gods and godess like shiva, durga and ganesh on its walls ( If anyone thinks I am bluffing abt it, can visit the gurudwara near brand factory, abids and see it for themselves )
No where near what pak army did in Bangladesh...
