Hillary called India ‘self-appointed frontrunner for UNSC’, ordered snooping

[Paan Singh]

americans view whole world as their enemy,india is no exception

 

[indushek]

POTUS blindly supported India's bid? Ok then. Yes, Karthic, the President of the United States was so smitten by his love of India that he wore a pair of blinders, disregarded all else and just made the statement "blindly".

There is still no framework, no agreement on which countries will be considered together, protests from US allies, no formal discussion in the UN on modalities... nothing!!

Please. There's rhetoric, and then there's just outright nonsense. Draw the line.

There is no rhetoric here, if u see the statements from South Block every body with even basic knowledge of world politics agrees that the road ahead is treacherous and hard.

Even after Mr.Obama's unqualified support (whatever the behind scene activities i am not concerned) not one leader or diplomat or anybody for that matter even uttered a word of optimism saying that look the US president has accepted our candidature and lo behold we have arrived. We are going on with our business as usual.

India still remains calm and collected.

 

[JanjaWeed]

of course it is serious
its no laughing matter
a secretary of State and aspiring future president of USA has such vile and low thoughts about a country they term as their most important stretegic partner.

Pls refrain from selective reading. she made this statement concerning all four aspiring countries such as japan, germany, brazil & india. If I go by your assumption, she views all these four countries with vile & low thoughts?? let you to decide on that!!btw it is a laughing matter when you say outsourcing issue between two countries will be put on the floor of UN!!

in todays world, economy, geo-poltics, regional security, international commerce and employment are all inter linked and feed on each other to make a sustainable chain

a slight weakness in a link and the whole chain suffers. remember what happened to the whole world due to US subprime crises? it was taken up by the tea party and used as a hate tool against outsoucing, mexicans, chinese and what not.
Glenn Miller who is a known racist and hosts a Radio show while making fun of Indian call centre operators mentioned Hillary Clinton praising her that "she has woken up to the possibility of Indians challenging American aspirations"

complete nonsense... what has the above got to do with hilary clintons statement with regard to all four countries??

what Hillary Clinton has said is not an isolated incident, she is trying to attract the angry American voter who is blaming the loss of jobs on illegal immigrants and off shore call centres.

Domestically, but she has to do more than that if she is to compete Sarah pallin. but as a Secretary of State, her remarks about a regional power that US so proudly touts as an "effective check against communist China" are nothing but shamefull

my friend, as i said earlier, hilary clinton has to wait for her turn till 2019. Things wont remain the same till then. It din't take long for americans to change the openion about their president, did it?? approval rating from the top has nose dived within no time. she can contest for the post of president only if obama decides not to seek 2nd term or he resigns, which hasn't happened since richard nixon.
just to let you know, elections in US is not as simple & straight forward as you make out. They need to win the primaries first before getting the nod from the party & you know very well what happened last time??

 

[Pagla Dashu]

It turns out that Ms Clinton was referring to the 'Group of Four or G-4', i.e. Brazil, Germany, India, and Japan.

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 24 STATE 080163

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/31/2034
TAGS: PINR KSPR ECON KPKO KUNR
SUBJECT: (S) REPORTING AND COLLECTION NEEDS: THE UNITED
NATIONS

REF: STATE 048489

Classified By: MICHAEL OWENS, ACTING DIR, INR/OPS. REASON: 1.4(C).

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¶B. Key Continuing Issues

1) UN Security Council Reform (FPOL-1).
-- Positions, attitudes, and divisions among member states on
UN Security Council (UNSC) reform.
-- Views, plans and intentions of Perm 5 and other member
states on the issue of UNSC enlargement, revision of UNSC
procedures or limitation of Perm 5 privileges.
-- International deliberations regarding UNSC expansion among
key groups of countries: self-appointed frontrunners for
permanent UNSC membership Brazil, Germany, India, and Japan
(the Group of Four or G-4); the Uniting for Consensus group
(especially Mexico, Italy, and Pakistan) that opposes
additional permanent UNSC seats; the African Group; and the
EU, as well as key UN officials within the Secretariat and
the UN General Assembly (UNGA) Presidency.
-- Willingness of member states to implement proposed reforms.
-- Reactions of UN senior leadership towards member
recommendations for UNSC reform.

Countries: Austria, Brazil, Burkina Faso, China, Costa Rica,
Croatia, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Libya, Mexico,
Pakistan, Russia, Turkey, Uganda, Vietnam
International Organizations: AU, EU, UN

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/07/09STATE80163.html

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This POTUS aint gona make through the Next Election ... !

it'll take a miracle and some major breakthrough........which to be honest, i dont see happening anytime soon

especially when americans are fast losing their appetite for the ongoing war(s)

 

[India Rising]

good thing for india if republicans come back.... how we can forget, the things mr.bush did for us....

 

[ChinaRocks]

Okay....So America knows that India is at the fore-front of the movement to reform the Security Council. India is too popular and influential to be taken lightly and Hilary orders the Indian movements to be carefully monitored. America has realized that India is powerful, and assumed the natural role of a leader and is taking appropriate steps. This only emphasizes the role of India in the international scenario and affirms India's international clout.

I seriously don't understand why anyone should be unhappy about this and think that this is bad for India. I am perfectly fine with my country's raising influence and the paranoia it causes for existing powers. If anything this is a compliment and Indians should take it as such instead of engaging in pointless arguments

HaHa if this is a compliment, then the humiliation in 1962 probally the most glorious day of yr life.

 

[ajtr]

Just some more years let usa get embroiled in afghanistan and let indians concentrate on its progress then see they way both republican/democrate president lining up on the indian doors.Thank to pakistan which had made this possible first with bush then with obama in past 10 years.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

americans view whole world as their enemy,india is no exception

yea.. but Hillary also ordered spying on India goign as far as wanting to get the DNA, eating habbits, preferences, interests etc of the important Indian decesion makers

not sure if thats something a supposed Ally should be doing the other.
people keep saying that it is a n old news thats what makes it more interesting because they formulate their plans years and months ahead and then implement them

this is why US was specially going through the pains of explaining to Indians for damage reduction

 

[Irfan Baloch]

my friend, as i said earlier, hilary clinton has to wait for her turn till 2019. Things wont remain the same till then. It din't take long for americans to change the openion about their president, did it?? approval rating from the top has nose dived within no time. she can contest for the post of president only if obama decides not to seek 2nd term or he resigns, which hasn't happened since richard nixon.
just to let you know, elections in US is not as simple & straight forward as you make out. They need to win the primaries first before getting the nod from the party & you know very well what happened last time??[/B]

I respect your views. its good that this thread has provoked some in depth views on this so called diplomatic leaks
I hear you that it is not just India, hillary has the same sarcasm about the other UNSC candidates, but her scorn about India is evident and this is what the media also picked up.

whatever these people of power do is not on impluse, they plan ahead and in the world stage there are no permanent enemies or friends only interests

on one hand USA is touting India to counter the regional Chinese infulence but on the other hand turning ablind eye on Israeli trade with China

the Indina postion in the world and specially in the region demands that a strong reaction from the Indian foreign office is issued that woould force two faced Hillary to profousely regret her derogatory remarks.

I will cite the example of Tony Blair back in 2005 when he just uttered a word "Palestine" in one of his news confrences in UK and all the hell broke in Israel and its prime minister Sharon very arrogantly
said that there is no such word or thing as Palestine and how dare the UK prime minster say such a thing

whe whole British goverment started trembling and from Prime minister to every key cabinet member has to issue an applogy and explanation but Israel was having none of it.. this was one of the many reasons why Tony had to eventually leave the party leadership and premiership.

its a big ask to expect India to react like Israel because it doesnt have the balls the size of Israel to make Hillary rub her nose on the floor but atleast she should be made to express her regret

 

[KS]

I have answered only selectively because the other parts I agree to.

I hear you that it is not just India, hillary has the same sarcasm about the other UNSC candidates, but her scorn about India is evident and this is what the media also picked up.

I'd rather use the word 'Made up'

on one hand USA is touting India to counter the regional Chinese infulence but on the other hand turning ablind eye on Israeli trade with China

Israel is a sovereign country,China is another -- why should US interfere ?

the Indina postion in the world and specially in the region demands that a strong reaction from the Indian foreign office is issued that woould force two faced Hillary to profousely regret her derogatory remarks.

IMHO there was nothing derogatory there about our PM or Prez or even our country. ( For the benchmark of derogatory I would like to take King Abdullah's gratuitious remark on Iran and AAZ)

I will cite the example of Tony Blair back in 2005 when he just uttered a word "Palestine" in one of his news confrences in UK and all the hell broke in Israel and its prime minister Sharon very arrogantly
said that there is no such word or thing as Palestine and how dare the UK prime minster say such a thing.whe whole British goverment started trembling and from Prime minister to every key cabinet member has to issue an applogy and explanation but Israel was having none of it.. this was one of the many reasons why Tony had to eventually leave the party leadership and premiership.

Did she say "Kashmir is a separate country" or "India is occupying Kashmir" ? So wrong analogy

its a big ask to expect India to react like Israel because it doesnt have the balls the size of Israel to make Hillary rub her nose on the floor but atleast she should be made to express her regret

Ask Hillary to check the size by saying something about Kashmir other than "We cannot interfere until India requests us" in a joint meeting.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Ask Hillary to check the size by saying something about Kashmir other than "We cannot interfere until India requests us" in a joint meeting.

my dear you have been arleady sized up by the disclousers
which you now are terming as made up stories.

she has shown her real side by teasing India for trying to be a front runner..
why ignore this shameless comment which she has even reinforced by directing CIA to snoop on every move the Indian leaders are making?

 

[India Rising]

my dear you have been arleady sized up by the disclousers
which you now are terming as made up stories.

she has shown her real side by teasing India for trying to be a front runner..
why ignore this shameless comment which she has even reinforced by directing CIA to snoop on every move the Indian leaders are making?

lol..irfan you are continuing with your silly argument..oh man !!! first of all, she pointed to all the four countries, not only india......

do you know something, before coming to india, obama wasn't give us the guarantee to support us in unsc .. but they have to...

again, i dont find anything wrong about the statement... we want to be the unsc permanent member.. and we are putting our claim for that...

have u ever seen, a country is never claim for a position and other countries are pushing the country to claim the position....::lol

 

[KS]

my dear you have been arleady sized up by the disclousers
which you now are terming as made up stories.

she has shown her real side by teasing India for trying to be a front runner..
why ignore this shameless comment which she has even reinforced by directing CIA to snoop on every move the Indian leaders are making?

Irfan is this really you or your account has been hacked by some noob.?

Regarding her teasings in private 1.5 years ago --- I already made clear that a more important man had confirmed his support explicitly just a month ago.

Anyways if this gives you some much needed peace of mind who am I to take that away.

This is my last reply in this thread and yes have a good day !

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Irfan is this really you or your account has been hacked by some noob.?

Regarding her teasings in private 1.5 years ago --- I already made clear that a more important man !

its really sad to admit that I am not blessed by your supperior intelligence and selective reasoning. I can sense it coming out of the computer sceen every time I read your pearls of wisdom.

just few pointers to wrap it all up

1. whatever goverment leaders say or do is not on impluse. they plan ahead for years and their private meetings and discussions are not just a talk over tea that are recored as mintues of meeting

2. what you and my other Indian friends have conveniently ignored is her orders to spy on Indian leadership and goverment officials.

3. the damage is done and humiliation is felt its just that India wants to look away and doesnt want the world to know what has happened.

and finally, what AMericans are saying in public is different from what they are talking in private you might only find out in 2 years then you would say the say thing? oh its old news.

I doubt if she will ever appologise

this is what is shocking.. her lambasting the Indian quest for UN seat and her orders to spy on US's most trusted reginal partner