What's new

High cost of Mirage-2000 upgrade raises eyebrows

thestringshredder

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Jun 24, 2012
Messages
1,254
Reaction score
1
Country
India
Location
India
dassault-mirage-2000.jpg

The overall upgrade programme of the Mirage-2000s is pegged at Rs 17,547 crore, with the first two fighters being upgraded in France and the rest (49) by HAL under transfer of technology.

NEW DELHI: Should India have simply gone in for new fighters rather than upgrading its 51 Mirage-2000s at an exorbitant cost? This question came to the fore once again on Monday with defence minister AK Antony telling Parliament that the upgrade cost for each jet was Rs 167 crore.

This when the last lot of the French-origin Mirage-2000s - their induction began in the mid-1980s - contracted by India in 2000 cost just Rs 133 crore apiece. However, Antony, in a written reply to Lok Sabha, said, "Applying an escalation of 3.5% per annum as per the pricing policy review committee, to the contracted cost of the year 2000, it works out to be Rs 195 crore at 2011 levels. Thus, the upgrade has been undertaken at 85% of the aircraft's escalated cost."

However, the Rs 167-crore figure does not give the full picture. The overall upgrade programme of the Mirage-2000s is pegged at Rs 17,547 crore, with the first two fighters being upgraded in France and the rest (49) by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) under transfer of technology (ToT). If this figure is taken into account, then each Mirage upgrade will cost Rs 344 crore.

India has inked two separate contracts in the upgrade programme, which kicked off last year with the help of French companies Dassault Aviation (aircraft manufacturer) and Thales (weapons systems integrator).

In July 2011, the upgrade programme was finalized at Rs 10,947 crore, which included both the French and HAL work-shares. Then, early last year, the second contract worth around Rs 6,600 crore for 490 advanced fire-and-forget MICA (interception and aerial combat missiles) systems to arm the fighters was finalized with French armament major MBDA. The overall upgrade package may even cross the Rs 20,000 crore-mark over the decade it will take to complete it, as earlier reported by TOI.

However, both MoD and IAF - down to just 34 fighter squadrons when over 44 are required to deter both Pakistan and China - maintain the upgrade will ensure the multi-role Mirages become "virtually new fighters" that will "remain current and potent" for over two decades more.

"Mirages have performed superbly since induction. IAF is going in for new acquisitions, which take a long time in our circumstances, as well as upgrades to retain its combat readiness," said an official.

Holding major upgrade decisions are "suitably negotiated" in a competitive environment, Antony admitted, "However, this (Mirage) upgrade programme also includes fitment of advanced multi-mode target radar, reconfigured glass cockpit and advance avionics, state-of-the-art electronic warfare system and capability to launch advanced missiles."

Even as it progressively inducts 272 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted for Rs 55,717 crore, IAF is also undertaking upgrade of its 63 MiG-29s at a cost of $964 million deal inked with Russia in March, 2008.

The force is also heavily banking upon the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters from Dassault, the final commercial negotiations for which are now in progress.

Link - High cost of Mirage-2000 upgrade raises eyebrows - The Times of India
 
Kickbacks..blacklist Dassault.
 
I think the money would have been better spent on off the shelf MKI's from Russia or Rafales. The cost for upgrades in this case is ridiculous.
 
17547 core equals how much USD?

1 Cr = 10 million
50 INR = 1 USD

MKIs are not multirole and Rafales are probably more expensive.



Seriously?

MKIs are not multi role ??? Then What are they ???

I think the money would have been better spent on off the shelf MKI's from Russia or Rafales. The cost for upgrades in this case is ridiculous.

Excatly but no one knows what are the intentions of this and Jag deal. We could have clearly add more MKIs or Rafaels at this upgrade cost. And should have sold these planes to some poor country
 
Those Indian politicians take China as a cover to make themselves richer and richer.

As least they shall pay some fees thanks China for covering.
 
They are dedicated air superiority fighters.



They are dedicated air superiority fighters.

Then Rafael is a ground attack plane too :D

Outta curacity why do you think MKIs aren't multirole ??? Can you explain ???
 
Then Rafael is a ground attack plane too :D

Outta curacity why do you think MKIs aren't multirole ??? Can you explain ???

The Rafale was designed to be omnirole, in order to stop the traditional distinction between A2A and A2G aircraft.
 
They are dedicated air superiority fighters.



They are dedicated air superiority fighters.

No, they aren't. The original Su-27 flanker was a dedicated air superiority aircraft. The Su-30 was a multirole strike fighter, and the MKI is the same thing with better avionics and slightly better air-to-air performance.

They are our best strike aircraft, comparable to the F-15 strike eagle. They can pound the ground harder than any other aircraft we have.

From wiki, these are the ground pounding weapons it can carry:

Air-to-surface Missiles:
3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)

Bombs:
8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs

Name one aircraft in the IAF that has more ground pounding ability. They can carry more ground pounding weapons than any other aircraft, to far greater distances than any other aircraft. Heck, there are only two or three in the world that can carry as much ground pounding munitions as the MKI. They are our best air superiority fighter, and our best striker - in other words, our best multirole fighter.
 
They are dedicated air superiority fighters.



They are dedicated air superiority fighters.

Then Rafael is a ground attack plane too :D

Outta curacity why do you think MKIs aren't multirole ??? Can you explain ???

The better term would be to say that they are dedicated to the air superiority role..
The MKI's are capable of A2G ordnance delivery of both guided and unguided types...however, their role is better focused on air-superiority and deep strike(when Brahmos comes online).

It doesn't mean they cant do it, just means that they spend 65/35 of their time on air-superiority taskings
 
Back
Top Bottom