Heavy firing on the LOC - 6 plus Indian Soldiers Killed

[Vapour]

This is exactly where India made a huge military blunder. Indian Army underestimated Pakistan Army's deployment and weapons and is now equally involved in paying the price through blood. India wanted a war of attrition on LOC with this false thinking that Pakistani troops will suffer multiple causalities everyday day which Pakistan wont be able to replace due to the brutal logistics measures in the Kashmir terrain. The wounded will fill all the military hospitals and when fresh troops will see a long line of wounded, their morale will hit the ground. It will be tough to keep supply lines open on roads for weapons, ammo and other supplies which are in reach of Indian small arms weapons and artillery. Pakistan Army will not be able to support troops which have to be deployed in far flung mountain tops since helicopters are limited in number and will not find place to land unless open areas or make shift helipads are made. To further ensure that helicopters don't operate at all near LOC, Indian Army put 35mm and other calibres of Anti aircraft artillery.

While the Indian generals were over joyed with such an bold plan, the Pakistani Army punched the Indian Army right in the nose so the Indian Generals can realise their own stupidity !

Pakistan Army plugged the gaps on LOC by bringing strength of numbers through NG battalions (Janbaz or Mujahid ), which are used as defensive forces, while Pakistan Army deployed regular troops to conduct offensive Ops if and when required. The NG troops will provide flanking cover and defend all supply lines when regular Pakistan troops are tasked to go on the offensive. That is double the strength which Indian Army Top brass never imagined when they were planning their misadventures of causing attrition. Further on, a LID was raised and deployed behind FCNA Ops area of LOC.

So instead of suffering losses through a so called " war or attrition", Pakistan raised another 2 x Light Infantry Divisions, which are impossible to raise when a Military formation is suffering losses through attrition.

Next, Pakistan not only started building and manning posts in far flung mountain tops, but got pack howitzers and mortars to fully retaliate when Indian Army uses its heavy weapons. Not only that but PA troops also brought forward stock of ATGMs for direct fire to take out Indian Army bunkers, this was to compliment the SPG-9 and 35mm deployed for providing firepower. Then SSG snipers were deployed to keep taking out enemy stragglers wandering between posts. This is not 65 or 71 that Pakistan cannot make produce own ammo, POF is churning it out. Old stock is being used instead of being wasted.

Engineers started constructing roads, pathways, bridges to make inroads into forward positions. Then bunkers and hardened shelters were made along with medical stations. The depots and dumps were made road accessible. Pakistan RVFC started getting mules from Mona depot and used them extensively to carry supplies in inhospitable terrain of Kashmir. Thousands and thousands of animals were drafted and are still used today in the areas where vehicles or helicopters cannot reach. Pakistan Army increased strength of light and medium helicopters and made helipads in Military hospitals for quick evac. The 130mm guns and other heavy weaponry with ammo was deployed in inhospitable terrain through helicopters.

Wherever Indian Army built a post and deployed troops, Pakistan built a post in front of it on opposite side. This kept Indians in check and they lost space of area to spread and create a surprise. While Indians post hold more troops than Pakistan posts, the defensive posture of both armies ensure that Pakistan Army deploys its fire power accordingly to retaliate to Indian Army firing. Another mistake which Indian generals did was to tell their troops of how weak and undefended Pakistan's side of LOC, the frustration of troops led to suicides in Indian military ranks. This is why false bravado and brain washing through lies is not the best way to deploy troops on front lines. Logistics became a nightmare for Indian Army and a video of Indian soldier surfaced on internet about his rations.

Indian Army has been caught in its own trap and neither can Indian troops advance into AJK without suffering major causalities nor can they leave/withdraw from their current positions. The Indian troops have to withstand pounding of Pakistan Army's small arms fire and Artillery as and when Pakistani troops wish. The Indian Army has to count its dead and send bodies back home. Now the frustrated Indian media wants to match causality numbers due to failure of Indian General's plan.

The rat who tried to act over-smart with vile intentions to inflict damage has been caught in its own trap !

Thank you for this post, please post more regularly re the LOC.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Agree with you here. The LOC or any other part of the border will never cool down.
India and Pakistan are two enemy nations. India has never reconciled itself to Pakistan's existence.
Pakistan is India's Andalusia.
It is not Kashmir or any other territory but a larger religious conflict. Kashmir was not the cause of India's intervention in Pakistan's Civil War in 1971. The object was to weaken or hopefully dissolve Pakistan using the Civil War, Indian intervention and subsequent capitulation of the West Pakistani forces Ironically that war ended up making both wings of the original Pakistan stronger with a now integrated Pakistan rebuilding to become a nuclear and missile power while Bangladesh now as an independent country is immune to retaliation from India for any conflict with ( West) Pakistan.
For Pakistan it is an existential and generational conflict with India which will persist into the foreseeable future. The fascist ideology of the enemy precludes any logic.
Going back to History the Oghuz Turks displaced from their traditional Central Asian homeland by the Mongols made their stand in Anatolia. They fought the Mongols in hit and run raids for 120 years taking all the punishment the Mongols dealt them in their stride.
Each act of resistance weakened the Mongols until they withdrew.
The territory which is now Pakistan suffered 7 major Mongol invasions over 175 years. The Mongols were finally defeated after they were weakened with incessant raids and attacks.
So it will go on . Like the Mongols who never reconciled to the existence and Independence of Muslim countries, India too has the same policy towards Pakistan.
Unfortunately for India ( who is following the Mongol path) the Mongols never faced a nuclear armed adversary.

Excellent post. The Indian trolls have been sparked into life by this home schooling session.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Absolute nonsense. The word in the national anthem is "Sindhu" as per a directive of the MEA in 1953. But even if Sindh is used, it would refer to the community and not the region.

I hate to teach you your own national anthem. The reference is NOT to a community but to a geographical area:
"Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha, Dravid Utkal Vanga, Vindhya, Himachal, Yamuna Ganga etc. etc.
These are all geographical areas and do not refer to communities.
If it did it would be:
Punjabi, Sindhi, Gujarati etc.

That has been made clear by GoI.
We have nothing to do with Sindh the region -

Really? Could you explain why Sindhi is one of the scheduled languages in India and Indian currency notes have the value written in the Sindhi script ( along with other languages ).
Why is the urn containing the ashes of Nathuram Godse being held for future immersion into the Sindh river?

how you see the Kings there is upto you - this Dahir fellow is yours. No one cares about that Pakistani King here nor did he do anything for India.

More important is how Raja Dahir is seen in India along with Sant Jhulelal and the pilgrimage sites of
Churrio Jabal Durga Mata Temple

India did capture the Sindh town of Chachro in 71 and returned it after Shimla Agreement.

Irrelevant! Pakistan captured Munabao and Kishangarh Fort and returned them after the Tashkent agreement in 1965.

Lol - what's next? The American / British withdrawal from Paris?
Read the Indian Independence Act of 1947 passed by British Parliament - once those regions became part of Pakistan from British India - the Dominion of India has nothing to do with them. A person from Nagaland has more claim to Tipu Sultan and his legacy than Pakistan. Find your own heroes - whether it is This Dahir fellow or his opponent is your own narrative to tell.

LOL
Withdrawal from Paris?
Paris was not British territory.
A more accurate analogy would be when Sherman took Charleston in South Carolina USA during the US Civil War. If the US army has withdrawn from Charlston let me know ( LMAO).
When did India honor the Indian Independence Act? Was Goa, Sikkim, and Pondicherry in the Indian Independence Act? Or for that matter Hyderabad, Kashmir and Junagadh?
Nagas? ROFL
73 years into independence India is still negotiating with one faction or the other to acknowledge integration " within the framework of the Indian Constitution ".
Meanwhile the other faction celebrates Independence on 14th August and hoists its own flag to its own anthem while waving their fearsome Daos.
Tipu Sultan? Ask any Naga if he knows or cares!!

 

[Nityam]

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[GHALIB]

India should take Trumps offer for mediation.

trump ki mehraru usko chhor kar ja rahi hai , uska ghar ujad gaya

 

[Reichsmarschall]

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Only the cowards can derive sadistic glee from misery of defenceless civilians.
These videos and captions prove Indians are totally bereft of moral and ethical values and at this point it's morally justified to neutralize them

 

[The Eagle]

At least eight Pakistani soldiers were killed and 12 others injured on Friday after Indian Army pounded several of their positions along the Line of Control (LoC) in north Kashmir with anti-tank guided missiles and artillery guns in response to unprovoked ceasefire violations in multiple locations by troops of the neighbouring country, military sources said.

The Indian retaliation came after Pakistani forces resorted to heavy shelling in several areas in north Kashmir.

A number of videos released by the Indian Army showed destruction of several Pakistani positions and bunkers across the LoC with some of them going up in flames following the Indian retaliation.

According to intercepts of Pakistan Army’s communication, those killed included two commandos from its Special Service Group, the sources said.

The sources said at least eight Pakistan army soldiers were killed in India’s retaliatory fire and 12 others sustained injuries.

In addition, a number of Pakistan Army bunkers, fuel dumps and terrorist launch pads across the LoC were destroyed and set on fire, they said.

Eight Pakistan soldiers including two commandos killed in Indian retaliation along LoC

The Indian retaliation came after Pakistani forces resorted to heavy shelling in several areas in north Kashmir

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They can even claim & insist upon 800 Pakistan Army losses.... no one can stop The Hindu or India from doing so. They have no option other than doing so similar to how they claimed to kill 300+ terrorists in Balakot strike at first and then nothing.... and then there was F-16 being shot and nothing else.... the pattern explains that they need to boast Indian moral at first with fake news and later, they don't explain their lies because their mindset is already set with the fake news at first.

 

[arjunk]

Your ignorance is profound.
The Punya Bhumi refers to Akhand Bharat which includes Sindh, which is mentioned in your National Anthem.
"Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha
..."
So Raja Dahir is an Indian hero not a Pakistani one.
Berlin was in Germany and was not part of the Soviet Union. The Soviet troops stayed in occupation of Berlin from 1945 to 1991 which is forty six years, not bad really.

Dhaka or Dacca as was then known had been part of the province of Bengal in India for 3000 years until
1947 when it seceded along with the Eastern half of Bengal known as East Bengal ( created in 1905).
From 1947 to 1971 ( 24 years) there were no Indian troops in East Bengal then known as East Pakistan.
From December 16, 1971 to February 16, 1972 India was in occupation of East Bengal which was its own territory. Then Indian troops retreated back into India leaving the Chickens Neck corridor and six North Eastern states vulnerable to a cut off in a war with China.
India lost the highly strategic waterways and the valuable naval base and ports of Khulna and Chittagong that would have secured the north east. The only reason India let go is because it wants territory but not Muslims on it. Adding another 160 million Muslims into India was not a good option.
If you learn your history from a source other than what's app it helps.

'India' where you are commenting from did not exist until 15th august 1947, which is after Pakistan gained independence and East Bengal joined Pakistan.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I have been to Xian, Shanxi and Urumuqi and there is no lynching of bearded men for eating a particularly kind of meat , nor are they asked to recite a particular religious slogan before being lynched. There are no state organized pogroms and no one's citizenship is questioned, Nor is that section of the population being blamed for overpopulation. Quite the reverse the Hui Muslims and Uyghurs as minorities are allowed two children as opposed to a one child norm for the rest of the population. There is NO discrimination in employment, education and there is special representation in the armed forces, China is a secular country so there is no preference or supremacy of one religion over the other and religion is kept strictly out of politics, and function of the state.
The Chinese military hardware functions just as well without a religious ceremony to enhance their capabilities. Any comparison between India and China on treatment of minorities is odious.

Some fascist occupations have been successful with first the subjugation and then elimination of populations. One example often cited and proposed to be emulated by the RSS VHP Bajrang Dal in India is the Spanish Reconquista with the successful elimination of the Muslims there. It is often referred to as the Andalusian Syndrome where by a combination of intrigue, terror, and a compliant corrupt leadership the Muslim population of Spain was herded into one zone where they were successfully eliminated by massacre, enslavement ( shipped to Mexico), expulsion and conversion, It was illegal to be a Muslim in Spain until 1973 when EU laws required freedom of religion. For India and the RSS the modern Andalusia is Pakistan and Kashmir. It was hoped to drive the Muslims out of India into Pakistan which would like Andalusia before be unable to sustain the population and collapse to be ultimately depopulated of Muslims and be assimilated back into India ( sans Muslims).
The RSS plan did not work out because of a serious miscalculation. India was interested in maintaining the 25% Hindu population in East Pakistan as a future asset so it signed the Liaquat Nehru Pact temporarily stopping the population transfer allowing most of the 11% Muslim population to remain in India. Pakistan tactfully accepted the deal which literally enabled it to survive, Pakistan had to survive at the cost of the Muslims of India; a cost the Indian Muslims have willingly paid. There would never be another Andalusia. India's short term calculations paid off in the subsequent secession of East Pakistan but the euphoria was short lived because as its fascist ideology found a firmer root the Kashmir population got religiously polarized.
What is more Bangladesh remained majority Muslim. A conversion to a different faith like in Andalusia didn't happen.
It is said of Andalusia that a Spanish soldier arrived at a Moorish aristocrats mansion to despatch the inmates. When he dismounted from his horse he learnt he had forgotten his sword. He left asking the inmates to wait for his return with his sword. Trusting in their Creator the inmates did just that.
Unlike Andalusia the level of corruption and betrayal in Pakistan ( excluding the civil war in 1971) has never been to the advantage of the enemy. A strong alliance with China, a robust defense, and a population willing to fight has ensured all other conflicts as stalemates . Stalemates against an enemy that is 5-7 times superior in manpower and material.
There is another difference between Pakistan and Andalusia.
Unlike the Andalusians , Pakistanis are willing to be vaporized and die in a nuclear holocaust as long as they can inflict the same fate on their enemy. This is a point the RSS fascist regime will one day blindly overlook and miscalculate. Of course in the 5000 year history of the enemy this will be the last mistake

All of this.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Unlike the Andalusians , Pakistanis are willing to be vaporized and die in a nuclear holocaust as long as they can inflict the same fate on their enemy. This is a point the RSS fascist regime will one day blindly overlook and miscalculate. Of course in the 5000 year history of the enemy this will be the last mistake

This may well be our destiny. Indian "secularism" simply cannot be permitted to survive.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Yes I completely agree with you, dismemberment made you stronger, I think Pakistan will be even more strong if Sindh also gets separated, you will get a leaner and meaner Pakistan. Also india will be bordered by 3 Muslim majority countries instead of the present 2.

Your denial and delusion is beyond cure. I have met many like you in PDF.

Dismemberment if any will be on your side with the Nagas unfurling their own flag , Coastal Andhra contemplating a seat in the United Nations ( the old Hyderabad seat).
One Muslim majority area coming up is the self styled Seemanchal area in Bihar from where your goatee sporting mullah Owaisi is winning provincial assembly seats.
There are 50 + nations in the OIC a couple more ( assuming Kashmir and Lakshadeep become independent) will not hurt.

Is this the crap they teach you at Mumbai grade school??

No. It's the stuff taught in Pathshalas.

 

[Pandora]

sometime you have to multiply more to as doklam 20 indians killed 200 chines a single teeli pehlwan killed 12 chines with bare hands .

23-year old soldier with kirpan killed 12 Chinese armymen during Galwan Valley clash
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I mean look at his face even my fart would have blown this kid away at least a kilometer. Mujay tu lagta hai 12 chinese nay iski lay li duba kay ab stories bana raha hai .

 

[IceCold]

@waz @The Eagle Thread highjacked guys.

 

[TNT]

There are videos of indian army placing artillery in civilian villages and then they blame PA of hitting civilians. It shows that indians really are the worst scum and cowards on earth.

 

[WebMaster]

Poor soldiers fighting and dying terrorist Modi's war.