Heavy firing on the LOC - 6 plus Indian Soldiers Killed

[Riz]

Bharat Mata ka Mahaan Veer protected with ancient hindu super tech.....Leopard Urine, Gobar and Mutra Modi the invincible, invisible one man army..

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Look like he is jumping in gutter

 

[undercover JIX]

Look like he is jumping in gutter

So you are telling me, Bharti Mighty Arjunk tank is a guttar full of gobar ????

 

[vi-va]

Their own osint confirmed 7 dead. we killed 3 yesterday and today, we say we killed 12. firing is ongoing. they might adjust 3 to 4 in suicide case but what a hit. many head injuries to indian soldiers. today we hit them like a pro. after armenia, it's time for india to surrender. china must continue to hold them tightly. looks like they will choke out hahaha.

Squeeze the juicy artificial state of India.

 

[IceCold]

There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

Good analysis! War is coming either way, its better to take the initiative and take enemy by surprise, thus dictating the terms of conflict rather than to wait and let enemy decide.

 

[Hamza913]

There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

I feel as if such a conflict would have too much of a potential to go wrong and be far too costly for what would likely turn out to be very little gain. Especially if India decides to invade the Punjab (again) and/or utilise its Rafales.

I think just hitting them harder along the LOC would be sufficient.

 

[madlemon50]

You seem to have no real understanding of what you are blabbering about and I feel deeply sorry for you.

I feel sorry for you too for being brainwashed to the point of extreme delusional by you brainwashing media that advocate extreme nationalism. I mean don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with nationalism but when you have nothing to be proud of to uphold that nationalism and having to fabricate lies to push that nationalism that become LAUGHABLE.

 

[retaxis]

This is pakistan Galwan. Demolished India again humiliating for sure.

 

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There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

You sound less convincing than what Musharraf must have sounded before he made his daring moves.

During Mushie's time Pakistan was relatively stronger economically, militarily, politically, and in its international standing. He had the element of surprise by his side by using regular troops disguised as mujahideen. His entire operation buckled and fell on its head. He was lucky India did not have a strong political leadership to give a befitting reply to this outrageous intent.

If your plan was as feasible as it sounds then Pak military would have pulled it off already. You dont realize how costly it is for Pakistan army to even attempt to capture a few more kms of LOC. In its current state, Pak fauj is fully occupied in covering LOC, the western border as well as internal conflicts/Balochistan. Still, if some mad man has the authority, intent and wisdom to follow your beckoning then the results would be laid bare for us all to witness. It is the same thinking that has lead to all our past wars and if we are not seeing skirmishes generally means that the lessons are remembered.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Bharat Mata ka Mahaan Veer protected with ancient hindu super tech.....Leopard Urine, Gobar and Mutra Modi the invincible, invisible one man army..

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WTF is this PS? Please tell me this is not real!

 

[Marker]

You sound less convincing than what Musharraf must have sounded before he made his daring moves.

During Mushie's time Pakistan was relatively stronger economically, militarily, politically, and in its international standing. He had the element of surprise by his side by using regular troops disguised as mujahideen. His entire operation buckled and fell on its head. He was lucky India did not have a strong political leadership to give a befitting reply to this outrageous intent.

If your plan was as feasible as it sounds then Pak military would have pulled it off already. You dont realize how costly it is for Pakistan army to even attempt to capture a few more kms of LOC. In its current state, Pak fauj is fully occupied in covering LOC, the western border as well as internal conflicts/Balochistan. Still, if some mad man has the authority, intent and wisdom to follow your beckoning then the results would be laid bare for us all to witness. It is the same thinking that has lead to all our past wars and if we are not seeing skirmishes generally means that the lessons are remembered.

Unfortunately, the only weakness Pakistan was facing at that time was the traitor Nawaz Sharif, whose ancestors belonging Brahmin Kashmiris, the "elected" PM of Pakistan. Instead of boldly negotiating and fighting for the future of oppressed people of IOJK, he took the u turn to attain personal gains.

The cost of offensive operation of such nature in IOJK will be very high but still it will be of worth, as it will ensure provision of better living conditions to people living in effected areas of AJK. More area will be annexed in AJK.

Internal conflicts in Baluchistan and Waziristan are being efficiently taken care off by neutralizing the RAW and DIA agents and their goons. More will be done in future to completely annihilate such terrorist groups.

Moreover the dossier prepared about misadventures Indian RAW and DIA were playing inside Pakistan will be handed to UN and other concerned world organization, providing irrefutable proof of Indian direct involvement. Very soon India will be black listed in FATF.

 

[Neurath]

There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

I like it but what happens if things dont go out way.
That would be humiliation at an enormous level, be it to the Pakistani Public or on the world stage.
Pakistan might fall into turmoil. Such a risk, meh,
I believe that there needs to be a large revolution in Kashmir, just like they did in Bangladesh. Pakistan then comes to the aid of the revolutionaries and the Indian army won't be able to fight on two fronts.
We can do a 1971 repeat but this time, its on them.
And then gain sympathy from the world by showing pictures of mass graves etc and showing videos of them treating us as liberators.
Just wait for when those Hindus start settling in Kashmir, there needs to be a revolt and then we can move in.
Or you know, maybe launch an offensive with China, we keep Jammu and Kashmir while they can keep Ladakh.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

There could be a way to end a part of damage done to civilians of AJK by bombardment of Indian Army. For this Pakistani Military has to plan to extend the LOC further east and north by capturing some strategic points and creating a 5-10 km buffer zone between LOC and AJK population.

1. The first step is to survey which AJK populated areas are continuously affected through Indian bombardment.

2. Mark posts and artillery positions of Indian Army on the maps, which fire at AJK population.

3. To create a buffer zone of 5-10 km, PA would need to carry out an offensive of 5-10 km into J&K and occupy or by pass Indian Army posts. This can obviously create a larger conflict in the region which can lead to full fledged war.

4. Pakistan Army should aim to capture those areas which can be comfortably supplied once captured. This means the DGMO and QMG have to sit together and brain storm for a plausible solution for the long term. Another criteria could be positions where there is less or hardly any J&K population so they can also be kept safe from military damage in the longer run.

5. If the offensive is carried out in J&K on multiple locations, it may seem a full fledged attack from all formations of Pakistan Army deployed on the LOC, but it has its advantages. In kargil war, Indian Army concentrated its manpower and resources in one region and that made it easy to resist infiltration by Pakistani forces. Opening fronts at multiple locations has its disadvantages too since resources of PA will be also be divided. Opening front one by one can also be possible. When one of the planned locations are secured, then start phase-II and start offensive 50 km or so away at a different location.

6. PAF and other paramilitary forces (GB) will be required to get involved so the secrecy that was kept in Kargil war will not be applicable. PAF will be required since after the required areas/peaks are captured, PA troops will need to be protected from IAF bombardment. PAF should also be available to provide ground strike sorties when requested by PA.

7. This Ops will be costly for PA troops even if the objective is to infiltrate a few km, capture and then fortify some locations. Defending all these extended positions will require a continuous supply chain of troops, equipment, weapons, material, ammunition etc.

India will never tolerate such a military step by Pakistan so there are a lot of chances that the matters will escalate to a full fledged war and the International community will pressurise GOP to retreat back to original positions. Pakistan will be in a fix since retreating back would mean internal humiliation from Public who will lose faith in Military and GOP. If Pakistani Army doesn't retreat instead fortify themselves in new positions and supply lines are opened, then the Kashmiris of J&K can have a ray of hope that Pakistan is willing to take practical steps for their liberation from Indian tyranny. When the sentiments of Kashmiri population in J&K are witnessed on ground by PA and reported by commanding officers back to GHQ, then further operations on the lines of Ops Gibraltar can be planned. Previously such sentiments and commitment was not considered in 1965, instead matters were taken as understood which turned out completely incorrect.

India will definitely open a new front in retaliation and the infiltration from Afghanistan/Iran will increase from western border. The damage inside Pakistan through blasts and attacks will increase.

To ensure that the operation succeeds no matter what, Pakistan can take China in confidence and request assistance of weapons and equipment from China stating that CPEC lines will be secured and offense is the best defence. Pakistan should ask for dozens of transport helicopters and thousands of protective/weather resistant military gear for regulars/paramilitary from China (as well as J-10, for lovers of J-10 on this forum, I'm not one of them). Pakistan should not ask China for involving itself militarily in this offensive since USA will then join India citing Chinese active involvement as an excuse. Mere presence of China on LAC would be enough for the time being. A portion of harsh weather military gear that India purchased for troops deployed on LAC will have to diverted to LOC. As soon as the offense starts, Pakistan should notify Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and other friendly nations that phase-I of an offensive has started to secure homeland from enemy fire and to free oppressed muslims from India.

There is a clear statement by Azerbaijan through which the Karabkh conflict has started, Pakistan can do the same in kashmir if the military top brass and civilian Govt agree to take such a step.

Ways of war have changed! Pakistan must catch-up fast to keep up... it is more automated, more precise, more direct and equally devastating for the ones on the wrong end!!! I cannot emphasize this enough ... attrition is more directed and precise... more brains then brawns! Indirect ways that kill directly, result oriented and finally after a long time producing clear victors.
With China(and Russia partial towards China) and U.S. in the backdrop, possibility of a real clear conflict that produces results is possible/plausible. India is hamstrung but due to it's past incapable of honest appraisal... descending perhaps towards utter chaos... kept together by fear of an enemy coming to colonize them once over... neither Chinese nor Pakistanis are interested but Indians will be better off independent of this unholy union.

Anyways, Pakistan has peers with right dispensation, clarity and focus, just learn the ropes and acquire the gadgets.

 

[Signalian]

I like it but what happens if things dont go out way.
That would be humiliation at an enormous level, be it to the Pakistani Public or on the world stage.
Pakistan might fall into turmoil. Such a risk, meh,
I believe that there needs to be a large revolution in Kashmir, just like they did in Bangladesh. Pakistan then comes to the aid of the revolutionaries and the Indian army won't be able to fight on two fronts.
We can do a 1971 repeat but this time, its on them.
And then gain sympathy from the world by showing pictures of mass graves etc and showing videos of them treating us as liberators.
Just wait for when those Hindus start settling in Kashmir, there needs to be a revolt and then we can move in.
Or you know, maybe launch an offensive with China, we keep Jammu and Kashmir while they can keep Ladakh.

There are many ways to look at a certain development. It is also important to know the details of that development, past and present. If one is lucky enough, some first hand information from the ground also helps. To see from the eyes of a viewer is different than from the eyes of a soldier or an officer who is present at that location. The point of views in the planning rooms of both Govt and Military high officials are entirely different from all others.

Whenever a thread is posted based on some news of conflict or skirmish, the pages started filling from both sides, everybody becoming a spokesperson of their respective country, some disgruntled ones cursing their own country at times for not doing enough, though majority will be defending their forces and country as they justify the actions through past and present. Lastly, there will be hijackers of the thread who would want the thread to be derailed according to their agenda. Then there are a few who like to keep their views reserved or dont care at all. Somewhat similar happens in real life too.

Media has a certain role to play and media is used, can be bought or has to follow directives of the government. It is one of the best weapons of war to create confusion and mayhem among general public.

Weather is the biggest enemy of any army deployed in any terrain, whether it be mountain or desert. Troops have to survive and fight the weather everyday - the human enemy maybe not that much or not everyday. Weather is also a friend for some, weather limits mobility, weather has the audacity to limit the operational capability of a military, it puts a strain on resources by demanding more or using double than usual. Weather is the best friend of any Guerrilla force - harsh weather like the approaching winter season in kashmir now. Indian Army has been experienced since decades that freedom fighters will become more active in winters than in summers. The freedom fighters will find a ally in the harsh weather especially in hit and run tactics.

Now take it as fictional story what im going to write, although it could very well be real too. A week back from now, there was a report of some freedom fighters present in an area of Kashmir. Indian Military sent troops in the area who suffered some causalities as dead and many as wounded, the freedom fighters escaped unharmed. I am not aware if this has been reported in Indian media. If it has then that's good. however shouldn't this call for another surgical strike by Indian Army or another IAF attempt to enter LOC like Feb 2019 since its alleged that Pakistan sends men and equipment across the LOC - The incredibly heavily defended and continuously monitored LOC. If everybody sees the amount of surveillance equipment that Indian military has installed on LOC, questions would arise that how can even an ant go undetected through those systems, but here dozens and dozens of armed insurgents are crossing from so called launch pads from Pakistan like there is a picnic going on LOC. Indian Army having suffered at hands of freedom fighters turned towards Pakistani forces on LOC since the lost prestige had to be gained, after all its a numbers game. If 10 x Indian soldiers die, then 100 or 1000 x freedom fighters or Pakistani troops or Pakistani civilians have to die to maintain the numbers game in the Indian media. So how can the numbers be maintained to appease the Govt of India, Indian high command and most importantly the Indian public. The effect of loss of 10 x troops evaporates when 1000s of Pakistani troops or civilian casualties show up in media.

So where to strike to successfully get the wanted numbers ? The Pakistani troops on LOC are positioned in well defended bunkers and have the capability to fire back when provoked. So who is an easy target ? The Pakistan civilians of AJK. The civilian infrastructure catches fire easily since majority cannot afford brick houses, they mostly use wooden structures where as Pakistan Army's ordinance and ammo is stored in well protected encampments and structures. Targeting weak civilian infrastructure proves more destructive and flaming images are powerful images on media. It means media can show that massive damage has been to done to Pakistan and that Pakistani Army has allowed such massive damage to be done by indian military from right under their noses, which shows what ? That Pakistani Army is incapable, ineffective and incompetent to protect its civilians. There is already an internal war waged through PML(N) and PDM against Pakistan Army, so a great opportunity to jump onto the next step to defame Pakistan Army.

Next, to show that Pakistani Army is a brutal force, Indian military placed its heavy weapons around populated areas so that there are high chances that J&K civilians are hit in the counter battery fire. This serves two purposes: firstly that Indian Military gives a damn about lives of J&K kashmiris, so doesnt matter to them if they die at hands of Indian military or through Pakistani fire. Secondly, lets prove to the J&K kashmiris that Pakistan Army doesnt care for their lives and property. This will help in brainwashing the population against freedom fighters also who are allegedly supported by Pakistan Army currently.

I will come back to weather again. I mentioned in one of my previous posts about "weather gear/kits" for troops. This weather gear/kit is useful in snowy and harsh conditions. These kits have been ordered by Indian Army for LAC, but there is a difference between ordering 15,000 and ordering 50,000. Its easy to support 15,000 troops than its is to support 50,000 troops. The gear is not only warm uniform, it includes tents, blankets, lamps, heating equipment etc which has the capability to operate in snowy condition and also keep soldiers warm and healthy. If India deploys massive amount of troops on LAC in winters, it will need to cater for all their needs and that is economically draining. So turning the attention towards Pakistan on LOC is an easier option and sniping Pakistani soldiers as well as hitting Pakistani civilians is more convenient, however, many intel reports had already suggested that India will create tension on LOC every year. This year it had yet to come since LAC was already hot and India had been embarrassed thoroughly by Chinese troops. LAC has become a thorn for India which it didnt expect and now India is stuck in LAC after giving up thousands of Sqm of land to China. The Chinese Army can sustain itself comfortably, while the Indian Army is still finding ways and means to deploy and sustain troops on LAC in winters. Driving attention towards LOC and grabbing quick but huge causality numbers on LOC is what India is trying to achieve.

Pakistan Army's retaliatory fire has caused more causalities to Indian soldiers than what's being reported. This happened because intel had reported already what India Army will be trying to achieve before end of 2020, so Pakistani troops were already prepared to retaliate. Indian Army is now itself stuck in a war of attrition that it wanted to start against Pakistan - and now China has joined hands with Pakistan too on LAC.

If you put all the dots together, you will see what Indian Army, Indian Govt and the Indian media are trying to achieve for face saving from all the situations that India has got knees deep in and is still using horrendous tactics to satisfy its appetite and its population.

 

[H!TchHiker]

India frustration...after unable to do anything on LAC ...

 

[Neurath]

There are many ways to look at a certain development. It is also important to know the details of that development, past and present. If one is lucky enough, some first hand information from the ground also helps. To see from the eyes of a viewer is different than from the eyes of a soldier or an officer who is present at that location. The point of views in the planning rooms of both Govt and Military high officials are entirely different from all others.

Whenever a thread is posted based on some news of conflict or skirmish, the pages started filling from both sides, everybody becoming a spokesperson of their respective country, some disgruntled ones cursing their own country at times for not doing enough, though majority will be defending their forces and country as they justify the actions through past and present. Lastly, there will be hijackers of the thread who would want the thread to be derailed according to their agenda. Then there are a few who like to keep their views reserved or dont care at all. Somewhat similar happens in real life too.

Media has a certain role to play and media is used, can be bought or has to follow directives of the government. It is one of the best weapons of war to create confusion and mayhem among general public.

Weather is the biggest enemy of any army deployed in any terrain, whether it be mountain or desert. Troops have to survive and fight the weather everyday - the human enemy maybe not that much or not everyday. Weather is also a friend for some, weather limits mobility, weather has the audacity to limit the operational capability of a military, it puts a strain on resources by demanding more or using double than usual. Weather is the best friend of any Guerrilla force - harsh weather like the approaching winter season in kashmir now. Indian Army has been experienced since decades that freedom fighters will become more active in winters than in summers. The freedom fighters will find a ally in the harsh weather especially in hit and run tactics.

Now take it as fictional story what im going to write, although it could very well be real too. A week back from now, there was a report of some freedom fighters present in an area of Kashmir. Indian Military sent troops in the area who suffered some causalities as dead and many as wounded, the freedom fighters escaped unharmed. I am not aware if this has been reported in Indian media. If it has then that's good. however shouldn't this call for another surgical strike by Indian Army or another IAF attempt to enter LOC like Feb 2019 since its alleged that Pakistan sends men and equipment across the LOC - The incredibly heavily defended and continuously monitored LOC. If everybody sees the amount of surveillance equipment that Indian military has installed on LOC, questions would arise that how can even an ant go undetected through those systems, but here dozens and dozens of armed insurgents are crossing from so called launch pads from Pakistan like there is a picnic going on LOC. Indian Army having suffered at hands of freedom fighters turned towards Pakistani forces on LOC since the lost prestige had to be gained, after all its a numbers game. If 10 x Indian soldiers die, then 100 or 1000 x freedom fighters or Pakistani troops or Pakistani civilians have to die to maintain the numbers game in the Indian media. So how can the numbers be maintained to appease the Govt of India, Indian high command and most importantly the Indian public. The effect of loss of 10 x troops evaporates when 1000s of Pakistani troops or civilian casualties show up in media.

So where to strike to successfully get the wanted numbers ? The Pakistani troops on LOC are positioned in well defended bunkers and have the capability to fire back when provoked. So who is an easy target ? The Pakistan civilians of AJK. The civilian infrastructure catches fire easily since majority cannot afford brick houses, they mostly use wooden structures where as Pakistan Army's ordinance and ammo is stored in well protected encampments and structures. Targeting weak civilian infrastructure proves more destructive and flaming images are powerful images on media. It means media can show that massive damage has been to done to Pakistan and that Pakistani Army has allowed such massive damage to be done by indian military from right under their noses, which shows what ? That Pakistani Army is incapable, ineffective and incompetent to protect its civilians. There is already an internal war waged through PML(N) and PDM against Pakistan Army, so a great opportunity to jump onto the next step to defame Pakistan Army.

Next, to show that Pakistani Army is a brutal force, Indian military placed its heavy weapons around populated areas so that there are high chances that J&K civilians are hit in the counter battery fire. This serves two purposes: firstly that Indian Military gives a damn about lives of J&K kashmiris, so doesnt matter to them if they die at hands of Indian military or through Pakistani fire. Secondly, lets prove to the J&K kashmiris that Pakistan Army doesnt care for their lives and property. This will help in brainwashing the population against freedom fighters also who are allegedly supported by Pakistan Army currently.

I will come back to weather again. I mentioned in one of my previous posts about "weather gear/kits" for troops. This weather gear/kit is useful in snowy and harsh conditions. These kits have been ordered by Indian Army for LAC, but there is a difference between ordering 15,000 and ordering 50,000. Its easy to support 15,000 troops than its is to support 50,000 troops. The gear is not only warm uniform, it includes tents, blankets, lamps, heating equipment etc which has the capability to operate in snowy condition and also keep soldiers warm and healthy. If India deploys massive amount of troops on LAC in winters, it will need to cater for all their needs and that is economically draining. So turning the attention towards Pakistan on LOC is an easier option and sniping Pakistani soldiers as well as hitting Pakistani civilians is more convenient, however, many intel reports had already suggested that India will create tension on LOC every year. This year it had yet to come since LAC was already hot and India had been embarrassed thoroughly by Chinese troops. LAC has become a thorn for India which it didnt expect and now India is stuck in LAC after giving up thousands of Sqm of land to China. The Chinese Army can sustain itself comfortably, while the Indian Army is still finding ways and means to deploy and sustain troops on LAC in winters. Driving attention towards LOC and grabbing quick but huge causality numbers on LOC is what India is trying to achieve.

Pakistan Army's retaliatory fire has caused more causalities to Indian soldiers than what's being reported. This happened because intel had reported already what India Army will be trying to achieve before end of 2020, so Pakistani troops were already prepared to retaliate. Indian Army is now itself stuck in a war of attrition that it wanted to start against Pakistan - and now China has joined hands with Pakistan too on LAC.

If you put all the dots together, you will see what Indian Army, Indian Govt and the Indian media are trying to achieve for face saving from all the situations that India has got knees deep in and is still using horrendous tactics to satisfy its appetite and its population.

That is undeniably a great summary of what has happened this year. However, I ponder about the future.
Pakistan needs to fund Kashmiri militants even more and get a revolution going on by winter time. A revolution can justify Pakistani intervention.