Hazaras flee to Australia

[illusion8]

@illusion8 not segregating...telling you about the source and why it is tough to eradicate when it is starting from high up!

Now this is interesting, you mean to say these Shia higher ups are the source or part of the source for the attacks on Hazara's or Shia's? what purpose does it possibly serve? @Talon, I am all ears, can you give me the reason for this?

I know politics is dirty and ugly - but Genociding a whole community ruthlessly - for what purpose?

 

[Dubious]

Now this is interesting, you mean to say these Shia higher ups are the source or part of the source for the attacks on Hazara's or Shia's? what purpose does it possibly serve? @Talon, I am all ears, can you give me the reason for this?

I know politics is dirty and ugly - but Genociding a whole community ruthlessly - for what purpose?

@illusion8 now dont jump to conclusion...All I am asking is that they have the power to stop, why do they not?!

 

[illusion8]

@illusion8 now dont jump to conclusion...All I am asking is that they have the power to stop, why do they not?!

Come on @Talon, you raise the point and then ask me not to jump to conclusions, and how can you say that it's starting from higher ups?

I guess it's at Ground level and mid level, the terrorist recruits and the suicide bombers are from the grass root levels, the funding, support may be provided by the clerics or as someone else would suspect - the petro dollars, the mid level security detail, the judges or the political leaders might be supporting these attackers. There might be a whole chain of support for these terrorists to help them.

But if you say the higher ups are also involved or not stopping it even if they have the power - then that means it's state policy and are willingly not doing anything about it.

 

[Dubious]

@illusion8 THAT was just me talking....I mean IF EVEN people at posts with authority cant stop it...Not sure WHO can!

But if you say the higher ups are also involved or not stopping it even if they have the power - then that means it's state policy and are willingly not doing anything about it.

@illusion8 I am not sure how dirty politics becomes state policy...there is policy then there is under the table!

 

[illusion8]

@illusion8 THAT was just me talking....I mean IF EVEN people at posts with authority cant stop it...Not sure WHO can!


@illusion8 I am not sure how dirty politics becomes state policy...there is policy then there is under the table!

Exactly why its shocking to me too, hence the question - "is the state supporting this or are they cowed down by the terrorists?"

Why do you think dirty politics does not become state policy? many states practice dirty politics...don't you agree?

 

[Dubious]

Exactly why its shocking to me too, hence the question - "is the state supporting this or are they cowed down by the terrorists?"

Why do you think dirty politics does not become state policy? many states practice dirty politics...don't you agree?

@illusion8

ya...but there are always good people....and the constitution is not what is wrong as usual it is the people who are practicing crap under its name are wrong

 

[illusion8]

@illusion8

ya...but there are always good people....and the constitution is not what is wrong as usual it is the people who are practicing crap under its name are wrong

You are right, neither the constitution nor the religion is wrong, but some of the people practicing it are wrong. Why don't these good people do something about it? don't you agree the matter has reached epic proportions that warrants some serious remedial action?

 

[Dubious]

You are right, neither the constitution nor the religion is wrong, but some of the people practicing it are wrong. Why don't these good people do something about it? don't you agree the matter has reached epic proportions that warrants some serious remedial action?

@illusion8 THAT much EVERYONE agrees....few are helping...but when it is the higher authorities involved...those who are supposed to help us....when they are the root or at least involved in blocking paths to change....there is only SOO much 1 can do!!

 

[illusion8]

@illusion8 THAT much EVERYONE agrees....few are helping...but when it is the higher authorities involved...those who are supposed to help us....when they are the root or at least involved in blocking paths to change....there is only SOO much 1 can do!!

That's a bit of a let down, seeing that the hazara's and the other prosecuted Minorities are counting on these Good people to do something about it - if this is all that these good people can do, then I don't see much hope in the situation ever improving for them.

Please don't tell me that's all that 180 million Pakistani's can do...

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

So, what's up guys?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

To be honest i find it not right that fleeing Pakistani's should get shelter in Australia either...else you will see how the Muslims in australia were protesting against the film on Mohammad.

Children holding guns, violence..women in Burkas..

That will only increase...sure the Hazaras are persecuted now so they flee, but next time they will start the same thing in a place as nice as Australia.

This is not meant nor aimed at you Develepero. You seem like an educated and intelligent professional. And my thoughts are only directed towards uneducated/uncivilized...zarvan types.

You dont need to be spokesperson of Australia

Keep your hatred for Muslims to yourself

also protesting is your legal right in western countries

Their first duty is to protect their family.
If the State is incompetent to provide security, they must find it wherever they can.

I think it should be the first duty of Islamic state or country to protect the wealth, life, honour and dignity of their citizens irrespective of their beliefs,caste and gender but it seem non Muslim countries in west are more Islamic than our corrupt government or systems

 

[Amaa'n]

Calm your horses down bro.....wait

 

[Amaa'n]

That's a bit of a let down, seeing that the hazara's and the other prosecuted Minorities are counting on these Good people to do something about it - if this is all that these good people can do, then I don't see much hope in the situation ever improving for them.

Please don't tell me that's all that 180 million Pakistani's can do...

Are we debating over why shias left for australia to seek asylum or we are debating over the fact that shias are being targeted.....
If its the first case than you need to hit the classroom and compare the statistics, if out of 1 million shias, 1000 went abroad to seek asylum that how many of those were really after their safety and how many of them were oppourtunists.
In 1992 whenbenazir govt came allot of people went into self exile and claimed political asylum.
Do you know how many afghans still travel to europe to seek asylum, turkey had to close its borders because of too many asylum seekers. So my dear in war torn cou.tries this wil always be the case.

However if you want to debate over second case than i suggest you use the search option. As the very first post informed you that this issue has been discussed numerous times where many senior members participated......i didnot see a single one of you guys in that thread.....

 

[Amaa'n]

That's a bit of a let down, seeing that the hazara's and the other prosecuted Minorities are counting on these Good people to do something about it - if this is all that these good people can do, then I don't see much hope in the situation ever improving for them.

Please don't tell me that's all that 180 million Pakistani's can do...

What do you want us to say ? That we are dead a nation? Than who were those people who donated there blood to the affected, who were those people who stoodby the vitims, who joined them at sit ins, who offered water to the protesters who offered food the the protestors....i dont know why you did not see this or talk about it in your post.
So no we are not dead as you thing. This problem as you claim is not so simple to be solved, number of external and internal factors are in place, and for this leadership needs to form a consensus, they need to be commited, why dont they do it now? Well you need to ask them this question ypurself.


Here is something for you to read on, read it all and if you still have anything left , just me here...i will be more than happy to assist or you can ask zarvan

http://www.defence.pk/forums/showthread.php?t=240441

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Are we debating over why shias left for australia to seek asylum or we are debating over the fact that shias are being targeted......

People from poor/developing countries migrate to Australia/Canada/UK for various reasons for example better life and living standard, better education , sense of security and freedom, good education or job opportunities etc so Indians also flee to Australia but for different reasons

question here is not the migration or asylum of hazara people but why they are leaving Pakistan? would they also prefer to leave if their life was protected by Pakistani government ? why we have not been told who is behind killing of hazara and why they were not punished if they were traced ? I am not blaming common people but i am blaming those who are in leadership as its their responsibility to protect the life of their citizens and if they cannot do this then they have no right to be in government or in policy making