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Has China overplayed its hand?

Let me make the scenario more realistic.

My house shares boundary with three houses. In the west it is Mr. P's house who are a very distant relative to us but we have a mighty discord and there were public name calling and brawls in the between us. Also, they claim that a part of my front yard is actually their's. In the east I have share a house with you, say Mr. C for convenience. We have a dispute over who owns the service lane and have once had a brawl over it as well but since then neither you throw bricks in my house nor I do the same. In the corner we have Mr. B's house and they share a corner with us. They have a dispute regarding their back yard with you, Mr. C and they have a long and close relationship with me. As it happens one fine day, you start using portion of my front yard -- which is disputed between my and mr. P-- to travel into Mr. P's house to exchange sweets. When I objected, you preached me that exchanging sweets improves relations and we should keep our neighbourhood friendly.

Also, When I reported Mr.P's son who is a local minor goon to police for dis-orderly behavior and ruining my gardens you paid his bail and signed an alibi on his behalf.

Further, I saw you selling your old gun to Mr. P and telling them worked well to keep me in check when we had a brawl last time.

Now I hear you hammering and sharpening a knife and at the same time threatening Mr. B in handing over their backyard to you and allowing your dog to use their back yard for its leisure. Mr. B calls me for help and I being a close friend decided that enough is enough and I have to stand up against you otherwise you will force Mr. B out of his house and I will be surrounded with two hostile neighbours. So I asked my younger son to go and shoo your dog back into your own backyard. Also he sits there and have tea with Mr. B while discussing how we can take turn to keep our property safe from you and your dogs. And then you start threatening me about our past brawl which I just brush off.

So now tell me who is at fault here.
as China says, if there is a dispute (in their opinion, No dispute) please let Indian army back off first, then talk. that is all China asking now. The land will be always there, if it proves the land NOT belongs to China, so be it, but for now, Indian army should back off first!
 
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as China says, if there is a dispute (in their opinion, No dispute) please let Indian army back off first, then talk. that is all China asking now. The land will be always there, if it proves the land NOT belongs to China, so be it, but for now, Indian army should back off first!

Dispute is not about land itself there. Dispute is about china constructing a road there as China has asserted her historical right to the land which is disputed with Bhutan. Indian Army is there to stop that. Army is very easy to move. If the matter is settled between China and Bhutan while ensuring India's vulnerable Siliguri corridor is not exposed, I believe India will move the army away immediately. It is similar to how China would respond if US were to occupy North Korea. It would expose a vulnerable border to hostile forces.
 
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as China says, if there is a dispute (in their opinion, No dispute) please let Indian army back off first, then talk. that is all China asking now. The land will be always there, if it proves the land NOT belongs to China, so be it, but for now, Indian army should back off first!


India has clearly stated. Stop the construction . Promise to not change the landscape and all three can go back to 01 June 2017 status

But China is just spitting venom through media.
 
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It is a simple point. Why can't China let the status quo remain till the issue is resolved with Bhutan? You have a mechanism to clearly mark the boundaries - why not just stick to that mechanism instead of rushing in to build roads? Surely, Bhutan does not pose a threat to China?
 
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You need acknowledge the growth of Africa and Latin America (they screw up themselves, e.g. Brazil) largely due to China' demand and investment, esp Africa. We don't need fire a single bullet, that's not the art of Chinese strategy, we only fire without any better option left. You know I'm not bullshiting. Recap why USSR collapse? How similar is USSR and India Union... esp India is far weak than USSR.. both have retarded leadership and aggressive internal and external policies..

What growth ?? What prosperity ??
You drove up the price of natural resources and enriched the elites.
 
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Recap why USSR collapse? How similar is USSR and India Union... esp India is far weak than USSR.. both have retarded leadership and aggressive internal and external policies..
You really don't have an idea why USSR collapsed do you? Neither you have any idea on how Indian union works.
I can read that from your retarded comments.
Alas Chinese no nothing of democracy. The USSR starts to collapse when the countries which were conquered during WW2 especially the eastern European states, were imposed upon with socialist communism (You see the similarity with Hong Kong.:lol:) The independence movement were brutally suppressed. Then the split of communist parties in Lithuania. Together with nationalist movement from Ukraine. Everything started at a coincidentally and unexpected time for the Communists. At the end they had a Gorbachev to sum it all up.

India is not communist, there is no secessionist movement, not even something close to soviets, we elect our leaders. From National election to even Rotary club elections. There isn't much to complain, if the leader sucks you can pull him down and if you elect that stupid again you can blame yourself. In short, there won't be any blame for the system or the government formed.
 
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Where did i make such a claim? I always maintained we can take care of china defensively by ourselves.You are confusing me with somebody else it seems.Any help we get is just bonus,we are not counting on any.Ofcourse its true hat after the war is over,provided both countries aren't radioactive wastelands India will certainly join the US camp to complete the permanent encirclement of China.But thats for later ,for the duration of the war we will handle you alone.Unlike Pakistan we have never counted on 'brotherly' nations to help us in wartime.

How on earth will India make China a radioactive wasteland? India does not have fusion bombs that
are required to even destroy a small city the size of 1 million. To try to destroy large Chinese cities like
Shanghai and Beijing will require many dozens of the fission bombs that India has.

Forget any aircraft getting through the cover of Chinese fighter planes and SAM defences and so we are left
with just missiles. Say India was to fire many dozens, only a handful are likely to get past the Chinese ABM
defences. These will cause some damage to it's cities but certainly it won't destroy even one of the large Chinese cities.

Retaliation from China? India's large population settlements, military bases, ports and other major infrastructure will be obliterated.

You are supposed to be a "Think Thank". At least show some respect to your title and write logical posts
that are sensible.
 
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How on earth will India make China a radioactive wasteland? India does not have fusion bombs that
are required to even destroy a small city the size of 1 million. To try to destroy large Chinese cities like
Shanghai and Beijing will require many dozens of the fission bombs that India has.

Forget any aircraft getting through the cover of Chinese fighter planes and SAM defences and so we are left
with just missiles. Say India was to fire many dozens, only a handful are likely to get past the Chinese ABM
defences. These will cause some damage to it's cities but certainly it won't destroy even one of the large Chinese cities.

Retaliation from China? India's large population settlements, military bases, ports and other major infrastructure will be obliterated.

You are supposed to be a "Think Thank". At least show some respect to your title and write logical posts
that are sensible.

For any nuke to work, it does not have to hit Ground Zero, it has hit nearby target. Most casualty is not from nukes but what follows afterwards.

We all agree if war goes that bad, India would be down, Message needs to be communicated we will ensure Adversary is no position to rise again.
 
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China is in a tight spot as it faces a barrage of criticism from India, Bhutan, US, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea (Reuters)

Beijing has disputes with virtually every neighbouring country over territorial or maritime sovereignty

A raft of bad news followed Chinese President Xi Jinping as he returned to Beijing from Hong Kong where he was confronted by angry demonstrators seeking more democracy in the Chinese territory on the 20th anniversary of its handover from Britain.

While Xi was still in Hong Kong, the United States, to Beijing’s fury, announced arms sales of $1.42 billion to Taiwan, the breakaway island China claims sovereignty over. Meanwhile, the border dispute with India and Bhutan flared up, making Beijing look both bellicose and ineffectual. Bhutan, in an unusually aggressive move, issued a demarche to China through the Indian embassy in Delhi (Bhutan and China don’t maintain diplomatic relations).

Almost on cue, the US government imposed sanctions on China’s Bank of Dandong, accusing it of being “a conduit for illicit North Korean activity.” Alleging that the Chinese bank was engaged in “money laundering”, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said it had been blacklisted, barring it from the US financial system through which most of the global finance operates.

For India, the diplomatic and financial rebuffs to China couldn’t have come at a better time. Close on the heels of his successful meeting with US President Donald Trump in Washington, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on July 6 completes his historic three-day visit to Israel, the first by an Indian PM. On July 7, Modi flies to Hamburg for the G20 summit where he will run into Xi. Their last meeting in Kazakhstan at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit was congenial with India deciding to tone down the rhetoric over Beijing blocking India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Positions have hardened since. India has toughened its stand over China’s ongoing border incursions. In response, China’s jingoistic state-owned media has reminded India of the 1962 Sino-India war, drawing a sharp counter from Defence Minister Arun Jaitley.

Meanwhile, the Americans, increasingly upset over Beijing’s reluctance to rein in North Korea’s missile programme, have accused it of “disregard for international law.” US Defence Secretary James Mattis signalled Washington’s aggressive new stance during a visit to Sydney last month. He also condemned China’s construction of military bases on disputed islands in the South China Sea saying it showed “contempt for other nations’ interests.”

The slew of criticism will rankle with Beijing, considering it comes from a broad swathe of countries: the US, India, Bhutan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. China has disputes with virtually every neighbouring country over either territory or maritime sovereignty. Its closest allies now are Pakistan and North Korea which speaks for itself.

India has been right to highlight Pakistan’s illicit role in supplying nuclear weapons technology to North Korea whose nuclear-armed missile programme is regarded by Washington as a clear and present danger. US policy on both North Korea and Pakistan is currently under review. Islamabad’s role in nuclearising North Korea has resonated badly both on Capitol Hill and in the White House.

All of this presents an opportunity for India at the G20 summit in Hamburg beginning tomorrow. A planned Modi-Xi bilateral has been cancelled following rising border tension and Army Chief General Bipin Rawat’s remark that the Indian Army was ready to fight a two-and-a-half front war. The half referred to the Maoist insurgency.

A belligerent China needs to be constantly reminded of two events: one, its defeat by tiny Vietnam in a short, sharp border war in 1979; and two, the fact that as recently as 2007 its GDP ($2.6 trillion) was nearly the same as India’s today ($2.5 trillion). In ten years India’s economy, if it grows at a conservative annual average of 7 per cent, would double to $5 trillion — half of China’s current GDP even as China’s own economy slows and its population ages.

With the US, the European Union and much of Asia ranged against it, China could, meanwhile, feel increasingly isolated diplomatically. Its infrastructure investments in Africa are already drawing complaints from local workers of ill-treatment and racism. Having rogue nations like Pakistan and North Korea as its closest allies and much of the rest of the democratic world pitted against it is not the best way for China to seek the mantle of global leadership.

The writer is author of The New Clash of Civilizations: How The Contest Between America, China, India and Islam Will Shape Our Century

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-has-china-overplayed-its-hand-2493170

LOL at dnaindia. Indians obsessed with China.
 
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China is in a tight spot as it faces a barrage of criticism from India, Bhutan, US, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea (Reuters)

Beijing has disputes with virtually every neighbouring country over territorial or maritime sovereignty

A raft of bad news followed Chinese President Xi Jinping as he returned to Beijing from Hong Kong where he was confronted by angry demonstrators seeking more democracy in the Chinese territory on the 20th anniversary of its handover from Britain.

While Xi was still in Hong Kong, the United States, to Beijing’s fury, announced arms sales of $1.42 billion to Taiwan, the breakaway island China claims sovereignty over. Meanwhile, the border dispute with India and Bhutan flared up, making Beijing look both bellicose and ineffectual. Bhutan, in an unusually aggressive move, issued a demarche to China through the Indian embassy in Delhi (Bhutan and China don’t maintain diplomatic relations).

Almost on cue, the US government imposed sanctions on China’s Bank of Dandong, accusing it of being “a conduit for illicit North Korean activity.” Alleging that the Chinese bank was engaged in “money laundering”, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said it had been blacklisted, barring it from the US financial system through which most of the global finance operates.

For India, the diplomatic and financial rebuffs to China couldn’t have come at a better time. Close on the heels of his successful meeting with US President Donald Trump in Washington, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on July 6 completes his historic three-day visit to Israel, the first by an Indian PM. On July 7, Modi flies to Hamburg for the G20 summit where he will run into Xi. Their last meeting in Kazakhstan at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit was congenial with India deciding to tone down the rhetoric over Beijing blocking India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Positions have hardened since. India has toughened its stand over China’s ongoing border incursions. In response, China’s jingoistic state-owned media has reminded India of the 1962 Sino-India war, drawing a sharp counter from Defence Minister Arun Jaitley.

Meanwhile, the Americans, increasingly upset over Beijing’s reluctance to rein in North Korea’s missile programme, have accused it of “disregard for international law.” US Defence Secretary James Mattis signalled Washington’s aggressive new stance during a visit to Sydney last month. He also condemned China’s construction of military bases on disputed islands in the South China Sea saying it showed “contempt for other nations’ interests.”

The slew of criticism will rankle with Beijing, considering it comes from a broad swathe of countries: the US, India, Bhutan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. China has disputes with virtually every neighbouring country over either territory or maritime sovereignty. Its closest allies now are Pakistan and North Korea which speaks for itself.

India has been right to highlight Pakistan’s illicit role in supplying nuclear weapons technology to North Korea whose nuclear-armed missile programme is regarded by Washington as a clear and present danger. US policy on both North Korea and Pakistan is currently under review. Islamabad’s role in nuclearising North Korea has resonated badly both on Capitol Hill and in the White House.

All of this presents an opportunity for India at the G20 summit in Hamburg beginning tomorrow. A planned Modi-Xi bilateral has been cancelled following rising border tension and Army Chief General Bipin Rawat’s remark that the Indian Army was ready to fight a two-and-a-half front war. The half referred to the Maoist insurgency.

A belligerent China needs to be constantly reminded of two events: one, its defeat by tiny Vietnam in a short, sharp border war in 1979; and two, the fact that as recently as 2007 its GDP ($2.6 trillion) was nearly the same as India’s today ($2.5 trillion). In ten years India’s economy, if it grows at a conservative annual average of 7 per cent, would double to $5 trillion — half of China’s current GDP even as China’s own economy slows and its population ages.

With the US, the European Union and much of Asia ranged against it, China could, meanwhile, feel increasingly isolated diplomatically. Its infrastructure investments in Africa are already drawing complaints from local workers of ill-treatment and racism. Having rogue nations like Pakistan and North Korea as its closest allies and much of the rest of the democratic world pitted against it is not the best way for China to seek the mantle of global leadership.

The writer is author of The New Clash of Civilizations: How The Contest Between America, China, India and Islam Will Shape Our Century

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-has-china-overplayed-its-hand-2493170




Another EPIC FAIL!..............EPIC FAIL!!!!!........The source of the thread is indian therefore it is dubious, false & worthless.

@waz @Horus Please delete threads threads that have indian sources especially since they are all dubious, false & worthless.
 
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Another EPIC FAIL!..............EPIC FAIL!!!!!........The source of the thread is indian therefore it is dubious, false & worthless.

@waz @Horus Please delete threads threads that have indian sources especially since they are all dubious, false & worthless.

The source may be Indian but it's talking of actual accounts that happened. US did impose sanctions on Chinese firms and it did sell billions arms to Taiwan and India. Bhutan did issue a demarche to China and Vietnam did permit Indian companies to drill in South China Sea along with her own oil company.

That's the truth and no one can deny it.
 
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The source may be Indian but it's talking of actual accounts that happened. US did impose sanctions on Chinese firms and it did sell billions arms to Taiwan and India. Bhutan did issue a demarche to China and Vietnam did permit Indian companies to drill in South China Sea along with her own oil company.

That's the truth and no one can deny it.



Need verification from a REAL, HONEST & RELIABLE source. An indian source CAN NEVER be these things.
 
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Yes of course that will happen after the war..India will join USA in encircling China...but during the war we will deal with you alone.

Whether you join the US camp or not is irrelevant. The point is you are too stupid to understand there's no Asian NATO. You think or trying to bluff there's an ASIAN NATO alliance just like Europe. I have already explained it to you these countries will give India the Middle Finger and would not stick their necks out for India. You were crapping and still do so that's why you want to mention these countries coming to your aid which won't happen. Even if you are gonna fight a war with China and become a US subordinate afterwards these Asian countries ain't gonna help you in the future. To think like this you must be very delusional. India is nothing to these Asian countries. To fight a war against the Dragon for India or Vietnam or whatever country in Asia they are inviting annihilation. IF anything they are too smart to risk a single life for your country.
 
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