Hardees's new ads in Pakistan

[Dubious]

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The last time we had a tangle I decided to simply avoid having direct discussion with you. However since you tagged me I will make a exception.



Indeed. To the private me, moral, cultural and religious values are of primary importance as they apply to me and my family. This is because I have 100% input and control over my private domain.

At the public level my priority is lawlessness, poverty and corruption in Pakistan because only as a society can we resolve those issues.

Thus my focus on those public issues that require public resolve. My private affairs are my private issues. I will resolve my private issues.



My wife, my sisters, my mother, my extended family members will not and if they did I would not be talking on public forum. Trust me I would sort it out myself.

You also need to focuss on your own and not worry about "some" unless you have problems at home and need public help to clean your house?

If you don't have moral issues at home that require public help why not instead focuss on those issues that require societal intervention to sort out?

Why shouldnt one worry about "others" or "public" do we not belong in the public? should we not have a say? Just coz someone wants to strip down butt naked should we accept it? Then why even in the west you can be caught for "indecent exposure" but such rules suddenly become ok coz the ad paid some millions to shut people up regarding how they feel? Sure money makes the world go round but it shouldnt make one want to sell his morals

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Why shouldnt one worry about "others" or "public" do we not belong in the public? should we not have a say? Just coz someone wants to strip down butt naked should we accept it? Then why even in the west you can be caught for "indecent exposure" but such rules suddenly become ok coz the ad paid some millions to shut people up regarding how they feel? Sure money makes the world go round but it shouldnt make one want to sell his morals

I agree. However your in UK. Evertime you go out I am sure you eyes are bombarded with all sort of things. Tell me have they made you a bad person? There are million Muslims living in UK who are similarly bombarded by bad things. Are you suggesting the Muslims in UK are bad as a result of this daily assault on their thoughts and Muslims in Pakistan are better because they are not bombarded by injuries to their moral health?

I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

If it is okay for a Muslim in London why does it become a threat in Lahore? And if indeed it is such a big deal in Lahore it must be a bigger deal in London so why do million Muslims continue to live in secular West?

I draw conclusions by elective action in Muslim's continuel living in secular west ( more migrating everyday ) that secularism is not inimcal to Muslims.

I call it the "London-Lahore paradox".

 

[Dubious]

I agree. However your in UK. Evertime you go out I am sure you eyes are bombarded with all sort of things. Tell me have they made you a bad person? There are million Muslims living in UK who are similarly bombarded by bad things. Are you suggesting the Muslims in UK are bad as a result of this daily assault on their thoughts and Muslims in Pakistan are better because they are not bombarded by injuries to their moral health?

Nope....but there are laws in UK which are implemented better than Pakistan so even if one feels itchy they cant act coz they would be whipped as they should....In Pakistan they can buy everything from the police, lawyers even the judge so there literally is no comparison....

In a country where even religion is for sale....I dont expect them to be exposed to something like this...

I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

1 word answer LAW

If it is okay for a Muslim in London why does it become a threat in Lahore? And if indeed it is such a big deal in Lahore it must be a bigger deal in London so why do million Muslims continue to live in secular West?

1 word answer LAW

I draw conclusions by elective action in Muslim's continuel living in secular west ( more migrating everyday ) that secularism is not inimcal to Muslims.

I call it the "London-Lahore paradox".

There is no paradox ...Just Law and order in one which is not established to the same level in the other...Heck gullu butts can go around shooting people in the presence of police and get hugs and congrats from policemen what do you think these policemen will do for the people whom they shoot without a 2nd thought or question?

 

[Slav Defence]

Why shouldnt one worry about "others" or "public" do we not belong in the public? should we not have a say? Just coz someone wants to strip down butt naked should we accept it? Then why even in the west you can be caught for "indecent exposure" but such rules suddenly become ok coz the ad paid some millions to shut people up regarding how they feel? Sure money makes the world go round but it shouldnt make one want to sell his morals

Miss Akheilos,

That is not a new ''subliminal'' ad made by Hardee's,lol.Earlier,they introduced some ''Angus thick'' burgers with similar contorversy:

"The fast food chain’s ‘unbuckle your belt’ advertisement, which featured a pair of jeans with an open zip, being one of the notable ones."
-Tribune

Sorry to say,but I will show you various fast food advertisements of foreign countries which openly advertise food with sexy ads.These peoples are animals,seriosuly and I wonder as if how further these people will degrade women in the name of freedom.I reject such culture which resembles any edible object with our women.Fun seeker psychos have already internet and **** sites to have fun.We are happy with watching ''pogo'' and ''ding dong'' ads,lol

Regards

 

[syedali73]

I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

If it is okay for a Muslim in London why does it become a threat in Lahore? And if indeed it is such a big deal in Lahore it must be a bigger deal in London so why do million Muslims continue to live in secular West?

Well, these are legitimate questions. There are a number of things that I do not appreciate when visiting a friend's house but it is his house and I have to live by his rules. However, when at home, I wish to live by my rules and not those of my friend's. There are a number of things that we Asians and Muslims do not really appreciate in the West but we have no choice but to tolerate them as much as we could. No wonder parents begin to worry about their kids for the atmosphere they are exposed to can easily drift them in the direction we don't want our kids to go.

Once visiting my son in his school, I learnt he was sharing bathroom with at-least three more kids (communally urinating). I asked my son as to why would he do something like this and answer was pretty simple, "if I insist on privacy, they bully me". There you go. This is when my son was in grade 1 in an elementary School in States. This is but a glimpse of compromises we ought to make but am I going to allow that to happen at my place?

 

[Shamain]

It is because I live in a society and not in a jungle. What happens in the society affects me and people around me hence a healthy society is desirable to live and raise family. You think Rasool Allah (PBUH) needed public help to clean his house and that is why he was concerned about what was going on around him?

Ppl arent simply seeing things in a bigger picture.

ایک وہ بھی وقت تھاکہ میں نے
کیوجہ سے باہر جانا چھوڑ دیا تھا ۔ harassment
You know Pakistan is so rich in that.
Iwonder if anyone supporting this had suffered an iota of psychological pain that comes with all that.

Aur yeh ads tau aisay hee hain، ' aaa bail mujhay maar'۔ as in calling for more trouble۔

 

[Slav Defence]

I agree. However your in UK. Evertime you go out I am sure you eyes are bombarded with all sort of things. Tell me have they made you a bad person? There are million Muslims living in UK who are similarly bombarded by bad things. Are you suggesting the Muslims in UK are bad as a result of this daily assault on their thoughts and Muslims in Pakistan are better because they are not bombarded by injuries to their moral health?

I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

If it is okay for a Muslim in London why does it become a threat in Lahore? And if indeed it is such a big deal in Lahore it must be a bigger deal in London so why do million Muslims continue to live in secular West?

I draw conclusions by elective action in Muslim's continuel living in secular west ( more migrating everyday ) that secularism is not inimcal to Muslims.

I call it the "London-Lahore paradox".

One Answer:''Poverty'' which is letting them to migrate in west.I can imagine that how our friends feel when experience all those bombardments.Muslim tolerate their free culture because their governements are not letting any change,without any care as if what muslim feels or any other people feel.Similarly,Pakistan is our country and we have our own limits and well defined boundries.Therefore,any bussiness entity has to keep those morals in their mind and develoup ads with accordance to that-
Regards

 

[Shamain]

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I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

If it is okay for a Muslim in London why does it become a threat in Lahore? And if indeed it is such a big deal in Lahore it must be a bigger deal in London so why do million Muslims continue to live in secular West?
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Atanz are u speaking for allllll muslim communities in uk or just pakistanis? How much would u know abt muslims from other nationalities...what they do in their private lives. Secondly,in those countries laws are also strict ,so ppl need to be beware of things before jumping into any escapades.

Secondly, our majority of pakistanis in uk get their children married at very young ages, around 18ish...much earlier than pakistan ,for the same reaosns to protect them from waywardness.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Slav Defence I am at work but will reply back later. Ditto to rest. Thanks.

 

[Zarvan]

You are seriously underestimating the people you are addressing to. They wont mind even if it was their sister in the ad.

There is beautiful couplet by Allama Iqbal:

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Well, I am not totally against it so far the models are decently covered as per norms of Pakistani culture.

Sorry not allowed even with Hijab totally prohibited. In Islam men and women are not even allowed to look at each other but basic requirement of modelling is to get attraction so people look at you is main requirement. This is only one point which makes it Haram. In Islam their are hundreds more.

 

[Spring Onion]

@Spring Onion @Shamain @Akheilos

Do you approve females modeling for car oil change ads?

Well, they might have conducted it but among prospective customers, those who had deep enough pockets to buy Hardees and a majority of them would have not mind the suggestive ad, for either they found nothing wrong about it or did not want to give the impression that they are in any way unenlightened people. Talking about moral and cultural values let alone religious is no longer desirable among most upper middle class Pakistanis. There is another possibility that Hardee's did it on purpose just to provoke the sentiments and grab more publicity (hence this thread).

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When i was a school student i used to question what a woman has to do with razor while watching the advertisement

So NO objectification of women amounts to insult to them in my opinion

 

[jamahir]

In Islam men and women are not even allowed to look at each other

then how the hell are they supposed to marry each other?? first marriage and then next marriages??

do you know the procedure of islami weddings?? please don't bomb your reply with quotations from hadees bukhari, please... answer in your own simplified understanding of this aspect of islam.

@Spring Onion - i wish your presence on this question to mr. zarvan.

 

[Spring Onion]

then how the hell are they supposed to marry each other?? first marriage and then next marriages??

do you know the procedure of islami weddings?? please don't bomb your reply with quotations from hadees bukhari, please... answer in your own simplified understanding of this aspect of islam.

@Spring Onion - i wish your presence on this question to mr. zarvan.

Zarvan is illiterate than most of us when it comes to Islam because he a day before said that there is no mention of women in QURAN , he also said that bibi Maryam (Marry) was not mentioned more than Many Prophets while i showed him with numbers that she had been mentioned more the Most Prophets in Quran..

Anyway Islam is very moderate religion it gives permission for women and men to talk to each other and understand before giving their consent for marriage.
Also those who have read Quran with translation know that Allah says in Quran if you like a widow and want to marry her you have the right to inform her of your feelings but it would be more better to wait for finishing of her iddat and then you can propose her.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I guess the bottom line is this. If million Muslims can live in UK without degrading their "moral, culturel and religious values" why is same not applicable in Pakistan?

You cannot compare the two since they are in different cultural environments. The Muslims in London have created shell to ignore these semi-nude suggestive ads while in Pakistan the conservative Muslim society will not ignore them. You cannot compare apples and oranges !

 

[jamahir]

Also those who have read Quran with translation know that Allah says in Quran if you like a widow and want to marry her you have the right to inform her of your feelings but it would be more better to wait for finishing of her iddat and then you can propose her.

in india, until the early 90's, it was not unusual for muslim ladies to get remarried, not only in the upper economic class but lower ones too... now, sri sri zakir naik and the deobandis have created a oppressive environment where non-upper-class muslim widows even in their 40's ( and some working ) are condemned to live a lonely life.