What's new

Half of Indians likely to have coronavirus by February

I don't really believe in karma myself, however for a country that's been telling Pakistan that 70k Pakistanis dying is karma, and the economic growth slowing as a result is also karma, don't you think it's a little obvious?

And you are the armchair analyst that knows better than everyone?

So are you going to say all the doctors and nurses in Pakistan are lying too, when they said that hospitalizations were really high in the summer and now they are down significantly? That there are not a lot of people in hospitals for covid anymore? I guess you can invent any conspiracy theory to suit your narrative.

Remind me, how many tests has Japan done? Go check it and tell us, and then tell us if they are lying.

it all comes down to how much % of tests are coming back positive. If what you were saying was true, then most of the tests in Pakistan would be coming back positive. Right now the positivity rate is around 2.5%. In India it's 5-10% depending on the day.




There are less heroic reasons for Pakistan’s lower covid toll, too. Some, ironically, stem from its relative backwardness. “Basically, it is undertesting on a massive scale,” contends Ramanan Laxminarayan of Princeton University. He notes that Pakistan tests for covid at less than a quarter of India’s rate, per person, adding that the relatively poor Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, with a population equal to Pakistan’s and a similar failure to test widely, has also registered similar numbers of cases and fatalities (see chart). “Test not, find not,” says Mr Laxminarayan. “It’s the same with authoritarian regimes the world over.”

20201003_ASC829.png

Demography is another factor. Both Pakistan and India have a far smaller proportion of old people than rich countries do. Just 4% of Pakistanis are over 65, for example, compared with 23% of Italians. Yet the median age in Pakistan, 23, is four years lower than India’s, and its average life expectancy, 67, is two years shorter. This puts a far smaller proportion of Pakistanis in the age bracket most vulnerable to covid.
Although both countries remain largely rural, Indians are much more mobile, both domestically and internationally. Some 160m Indians travel by air annually compared with fewer than 10m Pakistanis; passenger traffic on Indian railways is 130 times greater. Mr Modi’s lockdown, ironically, first bottled tens of millions of migrant workers inside cities that were often reservoirs of covid and then, as pressure mounted to let them return to their villages, distributed the epidemic more widely. Pakistanis, by and large, have instead stayed put at home, which more often means a family home in a village, and less often the kind of crowded workers’ colonies that ring Indian cities. The laxness of Pakistan’s lockdown meant that most small businesses stayed open, whereas nearly all in India were forced to close.
In a further irony, relative prosperity has made not just India’s health but also its economy more vulnerable to covid. The pandemic has slammed not just the huge informal sector, but such big drivers of growth as carmakers and airlines. Pakistan, in contrast, has fewer industries to attract and then dismiss migrant labour, fewer planes and trains to idle, fewer and less complex supply chains to sever. Not surprisingly, the adb foresees India’s more sensitive economy springing back next year with 8% growth, whereas Pakistan’s is expected to grow just 2%.
Despite the starkly different trajectories covid has taken so far in India and Pakistan, experts warn against drawing firm conclusions. “Our lockdown may have hurt India more than the disease itself, but in other respects we are much like Pakistan,” says Jayaprakash Muliyil, an adviser to India’s National Institute of Epidemiology. None of the numbers coming from either country is likely to present a true picture, he suggests: “We both really cannot see what is happening in villages, where most people live, and we share the same disdain for proper data.”
Serological studies, which detect covid antibodies rather than active infections, have in both countries suggested a vast gap between actual and declared caseloads. A study in Islamabad in June estimated that 14.5% of the 2m people in Pakistan’s capital had already been infected—as many as the official number for the entire country at the time. A nationwide serological survey by India’s government, the results of which were inexplicably delayed until September, suggests that India had in fact already reached its current official covid tally of some 6m cases by early May, well before official numbers surged. The Lancet, a medical journal, charged India with putting misleading “positive spin” on data. Health professionals warn that Pakistan, like its other big neighbour Iran, could soon find itself experiencing a second wave. Zulfiqar Bhutta, a professor at Aga Khan University in Karachi, Pakistan’s biggest city, advises against complacency: “At this point in time nobody should be crowing, and nobody should be declaring game over.”
 
Can you bring your mind around to agree that the 70k Pakistani death could be a direct result of Pak establishments support through decades for militancy both inside and outside of Pakistan? Hence a loose connection to karma perhaps by some.

Yes Indian economy is going through a slowdown with an expected rebound once covid19 restrictions ease. Not sure why you are linking karma to this.
Indian economy is contracting 10% and there are 115k dead. Those 115k dead are not coming back. To me it's quite convenient Indians don't see karma there but see it in the case of Pakistan.


There are less heroic reasons for Pakistan’s lower covid toll, too. Some, ironically, stem from its relative backwardness. “Basically, it is undertesting on a massive scale,” contends Ramanan Laxminarayan of Princeton University. He notes that Pakistan tests for covid at less than a quarter of India’s rate, per person, adding that the relatively poor Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, with a population equal to Pakistan’s and a similar failure to test widely, has also registered similar numbers of cases and fatalities (see chart). “Test not, find not,” says Mr Laxminarayan. “It’s the same with authoritarian regimes the world over.”

20201003_ASC829.png

Demography is another factor. Both Pakistan and India have a far smaller proportion of old people than rich countries do. Just 4% of Pakistanis are over 65, for example, compared with 23% of Italians. Yet the median age in Pakistan, 23, is four years lower than India’s, and its average life expectancy, 67, is two years shorter. This puts a far smaller proportion of Pakistanis in the age bracket most vulnerable to covid.
Although both countries remain largely rural, Indians are much more mobile, both domestically and internationally. Some 160m Indians travel by air annually compared with fewer than 10m Pakistanis; passenger traffic on Indian railways is 130 times greater. Mr Modi’s lockdown, ironically, first bottled tens of millions of migrant workers inside cities that were often reservoirs of covid and then, as pressure mounted to let them return to their villages, distributed the epidemic more widely. Pakistanis, by and large, have instead stayed put at home, which more often means a family home in a village, and less often the kind of crowded workers’ colonies that ring Indian cities. The laxness of Pakistan’s lockdown meant that most small businesses stayed open, whereas nearly all in India were forced to close.
In a further irony, relative prosperity has made not just India’s health but also its economy more vulnerable to covid. The pandemic has slammed not just the huge informal sector, but such big drivers of growth as carmakers and airlines. Pakistan, in contrast, has fewer industries to attract and then dismiss migrant labour, fewer planes and trains to idle, fewer and less complex supply chains to sever. Not surprisingly, the adb foresees India’s more sensitive economy springing back next year with 8% growth, whereas Pakistan’s is expected to grow just 2%.
Despite the starkly different trajectories covid has taken so far in India and Pakistan, experts warn against drawing firm conclusions. “Our lockdown may have hurt India more than the disease itself, but in other respects we are much like Pakistan,” says Jayaprakash Muliyil, an adviser to India’s National Institute of Epidemiology. None of the numbers coming from either country is likely to present a true picture, he suggests: “We both really cannot see what is happening in villages, where most people live, and we share the same disdain for proper data.”
Serological studies, which detect covid antibodies rather than active infections, have in both countries suggested a vast gap between actual and declared caseloads. A study in Islamabad in June estimated that 14.5% of the 2m people in Pakistan’s capital had already been infected—as many as the official number for the entire country at the time. A nationwide serological survey by India’s government, the results of which were inexplicably delayed until September, suggests that India had in fact already reached its current official covid tally of some 6m cases by early May, well before official numbers surged. The Lancet, a medical journal, charged India with putting misleading “positive spin” on data. Health professionals warn that Pakistan, like its other big neighbour Iran, could soon find itself experiencing a second wave. Zulfiqar Bhutta, a professor at Aga Khan University in Karachi, Pakistan’s biggest city, advises against complacency: “At this point in time nobody should be crowing, and nobody should be declaring game over.”
It's a long article, based on reasoning from an Indian. We have already debunked the lower testing argument, as that argument cannot be used in a vacuum. Which other arguments are valid?
 
Indian economy is contracting 10% and there are 115k dead. Those 115k dead are not coming back. To me it's quite convenient Indians don't see karma there but see it in the case of Pakistan.

Mullah logic ? :what:

So when India’s economy starts expanding again who are going to blame then.

Yes 115k died because of corona. But you must consider one very important fact, this is applicable to all countries - because of social distancing and other health measures less people died of other illness including flu.

Pak takes a step back from its Kashmir obsession, the entire SAARC region will move forward in leaps and bounds.
 
Mullah logic ? :what:

So when India’s economy starts expanding again who are going to blame then.

Yes 115k died because of corona. But you must consider one very important fact, this is applicable to all countries - because of social distancing and other health measures less people died of other illness including flu.

Pak takes a step back from its Kashmir obsession, the entire SAARC region will move forward in leaps and bounds.
Just because you don't like some straightforward logic, doesn't make it mullah logic.

Weren't we talking about karma? India's response to covid was much worse than Pakistan, hence if you believe in karma you could make some connection to karma here. Yes, other countries had to deal with covid too, but then you could say other countries (including India) had to deal with terrorism too.
 


There are less heroic reasons for Pakistan’s lower covid toll, too. Some, ironically, stem from its relative backwardness. “Basically, it is undertesting on a massive scale,” contends Ramanan Laxminarayan of Princeton University. He notes that Pakistan tests for covid at less than a quarter of India’s rate, per person, adding that the relatively poor Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, with a population equal to Pakistan’s and a similar failure to test widely, has also registered similar numbers of cases and fatalities (see chart). “Test not, find not,” says Mr Laxminarayan. “It’s the same with authoritarian regimes the world over.”

20201003_ASC829.png

Demography is another factor. Both Pakistan and India have a far smaller proportion of old people than rich countries do. Just 4% of Pakistanis are over 65, for example, compared with 23% of Italians. Yet the median age in Pakistan, 23, is four years lower than India’s, and its average life expectancy, 67, is two years shorter. This puts a far smaller proportion of Pakistanis in the age bracket most vulnerable to covid.
Although both countries remain largely rural, Indians are much more mobile, both domestically and internationally. Some 160m Indians travel by air annually compared with fewer than 10m Pakistanis; passenger traffic on Indian railways is 130 times greater. Mr Modi’s lockdown, ironically, first bottled tens of millions of migrant workers inside cities that were often reservoirs of covid and then, as pressure mounted to let them return to their villages, distributed the epidemic more widely. Pakistanis, by and large, have instead stayed put at home, which more often means a family home in a village, and less often the kind of crowded workers’ colonies that ring Indian cities. The laxness of Pakistan’s lockdown meant that most small businesses stayed open, whereas nearly all in India were forced to close.
In a further irony, relative prosperity has made not just India’s health but also its economy more vulnerable to covid. The pandemic has slammed not just the huge informal sector, but such big drivers of growth as carmakers and airlines. Pakistan, in contrast, has fewer industries to attract and then dismiss migrant labour, fewer planes and trains to idle, fewer and less complex supply chains to sever. Not surprisingly, the adb foresees India’s more sensitive economy springing back next year with 8% growth, whereas Pakistan’s is expected to grow just 2%.
Despite the starkly different trajectories covid has taken so far in India and Pakistan, experts warn against drawing firm conclusions. “Our lockdown may have hurt India more than the disease itself, but in other respects we are much like Pakistan,” says Jayaprakash Muliyil, an adviser to India’s National Institute of Epidemiology. None of the numbers coming from either country is likely to present a true picture, he suggests: “We both really cannot see what is happening in villages, where most people live, and we share the same disdain for proper data.”
Serological studies, which detect covid antibodies rather than active infections, have in both countries suggested a vast gap between actual and declared caseloads. A study in Islamabad in June estimated that 14.5% of the 2m people in Pakistan’s capital had already been infected—as many as the official number for the entire country at the time. A nationwide serological survey by India’s government, the results of which were inexplicably delayed until September, suggests that India had in fact already reached its current official covid tally of some 6m cases by early May, well before official numbers surged. The Lancet, a medical journal, charged India with putting misleading “positive spin” on data. Health professionals warn that Pakistan, like its other big neighbour Iran, could soon find itself experiencing a second wave. Zulfiqar Bhutta, a professor at Aga Khan University in Karachi, Pakistan’s biggest city, advises against complacency: “At this point in time nobody should be crowing, and nobody should be declaring game over.”

Number of tests in Pakistan are less because there is less requirement of tests. Had there been insufficient tests there should have been increase in deaths which is not the case. Life in Pakistan is close to normal without strong restrictions as were at the start of pandemic.
 
Just because you don't like some straightforward logic, doesn't make it mullah logic.

Weren't we talking about karma? India's response to covid was much worse than Pakistan, hence if you believe in karma you could make some connection to karma here. Yes, other countries had to deal with covid too, but then you could say other countries (including India) had to deal with terrorism too.

When India’s economy starts expanding again after covid subsides would you say it is because of some good karma?
 
Dashman maray tu khoshi na karyee, sajna aap ve mar jana.

I pray that corona virus situation gets better in India and around the world.
 
Mullah logic ? :what:

So when India’s economy starts expanding again who are going to blame then.

Yes 115k died because of corona. But you must consider one very important fact, this is applicable to all countries - because of social distancing and other health measures less people died of other illness including flu.

Pak takes a step back from its Kashmir obsession, the entire SAARC region will move forward in leaps and bounds.

Hindutva is hyperbole. Your country India is not doing great. Just admit the facts and stop acting like Tom Cruise. There is no reason for you to be optmistic. India is in decline in every aspect. Lynchistan is not doing great under Modi.
 
When India’s economy starts expanding again after covid subsides would you say it is because of some good karma?
What happens after the virus remains to be seen. Indian economy contracted far more than most other countries. And on top of that, you didn't even mention the 120k dead. Indians usually point to the 70k dead in Pakistan as karma. Well, those 120k are not coming back after covid subsides
 
Back
Top Bottom