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also they are able to deal with anything our western neighbor put.

No they are not.
They cannot match jf-17 ..................be reasonable man.

We need to phase out mig-21 as early as possible,,,we are loosing far too many people due to it
 
I agree here,,,,they are atleast better than mig-21's at any rate



I have personally sat in a static mig-21 bison at the jodhpur base.
They are damn too old to be considered in 2014........

**** the cockpit is just horrible
But they can still kick *** of our western neighbors F-7s & Their Older Mirage variants
 
I agree here,,,,they are atleast better than mig-21's at any rate



I have personally sat in a static mig-21 bison at the jodhpur base.
They are damn too old to be considered in 2014........

**** the cockpit is just horrible

Mig21s are not even designed to be safe to fly. A minor mistake could prove to be fatal. Tejas on the other hand comes with care free handling thanks to its fly-by wire system. The system wont allow you to make mistake. No need to worry about spin and stall because the system does not allow you to breach the envelope.
 
No they are not.
They cannot match jf-17 ..................be reasonable man.

We need to phase out mig-21 as early as possible,,,we are loosing far too many people due to it
I meant LCA man. regarding bisons, anything except f-16s and jf-17(they can match in dogfight but not in bvr)
 
Mig21s are not even designed to be safe to fly. A minor mistake could prove to be fatal. Tejas on the other hand comes with care free handling thanks to its fly-by wire system. The system wont allow you to make mistake. No need to worry about spin and stall because the system does not allow you to breach the envelope.

What can we do man,,,when airforce dosen't care about its own people.
As i said earlier,,they are comparing ourselves to the west....................too greedy.

Look at what china did,,they made hundreds of flanker copies and now when they have to money,started making indigenous stuff.
We on the other hand just want greatest and the best without realizing how poor we really are relatively.

I meant LCA man. regarding bisons, anything except f-16s and jf-17(they can match in dogfight but not in bvr)

Sorry for confusion.
But therse machines are just too damn old to be kept flying.

Same goes for mig-27 and sepecat jaguar,,,they are just fighters on paper only
 
No,,it simply is not ready


It will never get ready untill greedy IAF officers will keep craving for money...


The pilots are murdered in old MiGs by these money greedy Babus and IAF officers.. But these greedy Son of Pigs will not allow desi system ... These Piglets will keep blocking desi system with some or other excuse...
 
It will never get ready untill greedy IAF officers will keep craving for money...


The pilots are murdered in old MiGs by these money greedy Babus and IAF officers.. But these greedy Son of Pigs will not allow desi system ... These Piglets will keep blocking desi system with some or other excuse...

The debate has progressed,,,we all sort of agree that it should be inducted and then upgraded along the way
 
also they are able to deal with anything our western neighbor put.


they can. but they are equally dangerous to our pilots..apart from the anything by pak. what is important here ? without a doubt...the life of the pilot.
 
LCA Tejas delayed further, to miss Dec deadline
Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service


New Delhi, July 27
India’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the Tejas, projected to replace the ageing Soviet-era MiG 21 fighter jets, has got delayed yet again – this time for six months or so.

The December 2014 deadline for the final operational clearance (FoC) has been put on hold as around 1,700 parametres still need to be validated before the plane is inducted into the Indian Air Force.

These 1,700 parametres — all vital for creating flight manuals and laying down specifics of the single engine plane — just cannot be completed within the next five months, top sources confirmed. The Ministry of Defence expects that the tests will be completed by the middle of 2015 and only then can clearance be given to fly these planes be given.

The tests are being conducted at the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC) of the Aeronautical Development Agency which has been supplied with half a dozen limited series production of the Tejas for carrying out the tests. These planes do some 30 sorties a month which are studied and analysed before moving onto the next step. The test for full integration of the warplanes weapons package and its electronic warfare suite besides the networking to enable pilots to log onto the IAF dedicated net.

In the meantime, the manufacturers of the Tejas — Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) — a Ministry of Defence-owned public sector undertaking, has sought more time to start supplying the jets. The first of the ‘production series’ planes was to be delivered to the IAF in July this year, however, this deadline has been pushed to September, sources confirmed, adding that at least two should be delivered by the year-end.

The IAF on its part has informed the MoD that it will raise a squadron of the planes once it has at least 5-6 of the jets and the remaining can be added in stages. A squadron is normally 18 planes. The HAL has a capacity to produce eight of the Tejas per year. The IAF ordered 40 of the first lot of Tejas Mark-I – that is two squadrons and some war reserves. With these numbers, the IAF wants the HAL to ramp up capacity and increase it to at least 14 planes per year.

Sources said the MoD has moved a proposal that will entail infrastructure cost sharing by the IAF, the HAL and the Navy – the HAL is also making a Naval variant and developed a prototype for operations on the sea-borne aircraft carriers.

The initial operational clearance (IOC) for LCA Mark-1 was received in December last year and India has spent nearly US $4 billion (about Rs 24,000 crore) – not much as these are niche technologies. The Mark-I of the plane is powered by the US company General Electric GE 404 engines.

The HAL is planning a Mark-2 with additional features such as upgraded avionics and active electronically scanned array radar and the ability to reach supersonic speed. This will be powered by a GE 414 engine – the same used by the Boeing Super Hornet F-18-A.

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The final operational clearance has been put on hold as around 1,700 parametres still need to be validated before the Tejas is inducted into the Indian Air Force
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These parametres are vital for creating flight manuals and laying down specifics of the single engine plane and cannot be completed within the next five months
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The Ministry of Defence expects that the tests will be completed by the middle of 2015
 
So the first squadron with 5-6 planes will be formed by IAF by end of 2015.
 
most assumably 3 or 4 planes will be delivered to IAF by end of year 2015
 
IAF should try and focus LCA on ground attack as well.
Both our bombers Mig 27 and Jaguar are to be phased out starting 2017.
For Air Superiority and General multirole Su-30mki, mig 29 suffice respectively. M-2000 backs mig 29 in general multirole.
Rafale will come along and fully ensure air superiority as well as general multirole.

India will have a complete absence of dedicated bombers after Mig 27 and Jaguars are retired.
The Mk2 should give greater emphasis on A2G.
 
IAF should try and focus LCA on ground attack as well.
Both our bombers Mig 27 and Jaguar are to be phased out starting 2017.
For Air Superiority and General multirole Su-30mki, mig 29 suffice respectively. M-2000 backs mig 29 in general multirole.
Rafale will come along and fully ensure air superiority as well as general multirole.

India will have a complete absence of dedicated bombers after Mig 27 and Jaguars are retired.
The Mk2 should give greater emphasis on A2G.
Tejas is a multirole fighter with both air to air & air to ground capability.It can drop different type of A2G weapons including LGBs.You can't compare Tejas with Jaguar as the latter is twin engine deep penetration strike aircraft with much more payload carrying capacity.
Tejas is point defence fighter because of its limited range & payload carrying ability.SU-30MKI & Dassault Rafale will be future IAF tactical bombers as well as air superiority fighters.
 
Tejas is a multirole fighter with both air to air & air to ground capability.It can drop different type of A2G weapons including LGBs.You can't compare Tejas with Jaguar as the latter is twin engine deep penetration strike aircraft with much more payload carrying capacity.
Tejas is point defence fighter because of its limited range & payload carrying ability.SU-30MKI & Dassault Rafale will be future IAF tactical bombers as well as air superiority fighters.

This sentence is completely wrong. LCA is well ahead in payload & range or any other feature compare to SepecatJaguar.

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