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India's 20-Year Late LCA Faces Fresh Delays
India's 20-Year Late LCA Faces Fresh Delays | Defense News | defensenews.com

lifafa journalism.

 

[ejaz007]

lifafa journalism.

Care to explain how lifafa journalism.

 

[Bilal9]

lifafa journalism.

In spite of my hate for things Indian - I am sad to see a promising project like the LCA come to this state of affairs. It means that just idealism and engineering excellence cannot win all the time - there is a much bigger force at play here. The LCA was a worthy contender to the Gripen in every manner yet two decades went by with hardly any progress or induction.

I am sure Indian politicians (and their corrupt journalist friends) did their best to kill the project and line their pockets with proceeds from the Rafale purchase. LCA Mark I is now two decades late and Mark II has no traction either. I could be wrong but a bigger number of Rafales are probably in the offing anyway.

 

[Bilal9]

Prof. Prodyut Das: The Ails of the LCA

My apologies if this was posted already.

 

[gslv mk3]

The LCA was a worthy contender to the Gripen in every manner yet two decades went by with hardly any progress or induction.

LCA Mark I is now two decades late and Mark II has no traction either.

Ah,seriously ?

 

[Bilal9]

Ah,seriously ?

Please read the contents of the link posted in #9601.

 

[gslv mk3]

Please read the contents of the link posted in #9601.

2 decades late ? When full scale funding was approved only back in 1994?

 

[he-man]

I am not happy with how HAL is handling this project but thats how things work here.
Its not only HAL thats to blame

1)Funding is meagre compared to other countries
2)Salaries of scientists is too less,many good ones leave for greener pastures and they indeed should,,,its not a free service
3)Airforce too is behaving in a funny way despite knowing well that we are not a super rich nation with 200 billion$ budget.

4)But then HAL is a moribund govt psu too so it has to share some blame

 

[Black Widow]

2 decades late ? When full scale funding was approved only back in 1994?

LCA development Time:

Trolls: 2011(IOC) - 1969 (Indian government accepted the recommendation by its Aeronautics Committee that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) should design and develop an advanced technology fighter aircraft around a proven engine
) = 42 years

Sane ppl: 2011(IOC) - 1993 (Full funding started from April 1993 full-scale development work for phase 1 started in June.) = 18 Years

1969
Indian government accepted the recommendation by its Aeronautics Committee that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) should design and develop an advanced technology fighter aircraft around a proven engine
1975
HAL completed design studies in 1975, but the project fell through due to inability to procure the selected "proven engine" from a foreign manufacturer and unfulfilled IAF requirements.
1980s
1983
DRDO obtained permission to initiate a programme to design and develop a Light Combat Aircraft
1984
Government of India set up Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) in 1984 as the nodal agency for managing and developing the LCA.
1985
IAF submits Air Staff Requirements (ASR) for LCA in October 1985. This was initiated by the then Air Chief Marshal Idris Hassan Latif.
1986
Government allocates 575 crores for the LCA programme.
Programme to develop an indigenous powerplant (engine) was launched at GTRE.
1987
Project definition commenced in October 1987 with French Dassault Aviation as consultants.
1988
Project definition completed in September 1988.
1989
Government review committee expresses confidence in LCA programme. It was decided that the programme will be carried out in two phases.
1990
Design of LCA was finalised as a small delta winged relaxed static stability aircraft.
Phase 1 of the development was commenced to create the proof of concept system. Financial problems within India prevented full scale operations from starting.
1993
Full funding started from April 1993 full-scale development work for phase 1 started in June.
1995
First technology demonstrator, TD-1, rolled out on 17 November 1995 and was followed by TD-2 in 1998. However, technical problems in flight control systems and structural deficiencies plagued the prototypes and they remained grounded.
1997
Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) for LCA design work started at HAL’s Hyderabad division and the LRDE.
2000s
2001
4 May - LCA’s maiden flight successfully completed by Technology Demonstrator TD-1, on 2001. Prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee renames LCA as Tejas.
Development assistance sought from Snecma on the Kaveri engine.[1]
2002
6 June - TD-2 makes a successful maiden flight.
MMR system was reported to be not working as per the criteria laid down in requirements.
2003
25 November - PV-1 makes a successful maiden flight.
2005
1 December - PV-2 makes a successful maiden flight.
2006
13 May - The PV-2 went supersonic for the first time
14 May - The PV-2 went supersonic again, but this time in a weaponised state (i.e., carrying weapons such as missiles and an internal gun).
1 December - The PV-3 flew for the first time for 27 minutes at an altitude of 2.5 km and at a speed of Mach 0.8. The PV-3 was equipped with a more advanced pilot interface, refined avionics and higher control law capabilities compared with the previous versions.
2007


Tejas PV-1 firing an R-73 missile during weapons trials in Goa
25 April - The first Limited Series Production LCA (LSP-1) made its first flight and it reached a speed of Mach 1.1.
PV-2 and PV-3 underwent sea-level trials at INS Rajali Naval Air Station, Arakkonam to study the effects of flying at sea-level, as all earlier trials have been conducted at Bangalore which is 3,000 feet (910 m) above sea-level.[2][3] The reliability of the LCA systems under the hot and humid conditions, as well as low level flight characteristics was tested.[4][5] It is due to this intense flight testing schedule that the LCA was not able to fly at the Paris air show-2007, as was originally planned.[6]
7 September - Tejas Prototype Vehicle (PV-1) made a successful maiden flight with two 800 litre drop tanks.[7][8]
25 October - Tejas PV-1 fired a Vympel R-73 missile for first time. The trials were conducted off the Goa coast at INS Hansa Naval Air Station.[9]
11 December - LITENING targeting pod was successfully tested on Tejas PV-2.[10]
2008


HAL Tejas high-altitude trials at Leh successfully completed by December 2008.
7 February - Tejas Prototype Vehicle (PV-1) made a successful flight powered by fuel from two 800 litre drop tanks. It made a one hour and 24 minute long sortie. On internal fuel LCA can perform a 40-minute sortie.[11]
April - First Flight with HMDS[12]
LCA Tejas prototypes PV-2 & PV-3 underwent hot weather flight trials at Air Force Station, Nagpur from 28 May 2008 to 4 June 2008. The trials were declared successful.
16 June - Tejas second Limited Series Production LCA (LSP-2) made its first flight and it reached a speed of Mach 1.1.
7 November - LCA Prototype Vehicle-3 made first successful night flight.[13]
13 December - PV-3 and LSP-2 completed the high altitude trials at the Leh air base.[14]
2009
22 January - Tejas completed 1000 flights.[15]
February - the live bombs test were successfully carried out.[16]
October - PV-3 and LSP-2 completed visual target elimination and air-to-ground weapons delivery trials.[17]
26 November - Two seater (Trainer) version of Tejas(PV-5) made its maiden flight on 26 Nov 09.[18]
7 December - Tejas passed flight flutter test diving from an altitude of four kilometers to almost sea level at 900 feet (270 m). Tejas recorded a speed over 1350 km/h. These tests were conducted at INS Hansa, Goa.[19]
15 December - Indian government sanctioned Rs 8,000 crores to begin production of the fighter jet for the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy.[20]
2010s
2010
23 April - LCA Tejas LSP-3 Makes Maiden Flight. LSP-3 is almost the final configuration including the new air-data computers, Hybrid Multi Mode Radar, new communication and navigation equipment and radar warning receiver. With this the LCA programme has completed 1350 test flights logging about 800 flying hours.[21]
2 June - LCA Tejas LSP-4 Makes Maiden Flight. The flight marks the first time for a Tejas aircraft flying in the configuration that will be finally delivered to the Indian Air Force.[22] In addition to the Hybrid MMR, the aircraft also flew with a functioning Countermeasure Dispensing System [23]


Tejas Trainer at 62nd Republic Day of India Parade, New Delhi
19 November - LCA Tejas LSP-5 Makes Maiden Flight. Goes supersonic in first flight.
2011
10 January - Certification for the Release to Services with assured safety and specified performance for IOC.[25]
26 January - LCA Tejas participates in the 26 January Republic Day Celebrations by being paraded at New Delhi.
September - LCA Tejas undergoes bombing runs at Pokhran Test Range.
2012
9 March - LCA Tejas LSP-7 Makes Maiden Flight[26]
27 April - 1st Naval LCA prototype NP-1 makes maiden flight.[27]
27 June - HAL Tejas (LSP 2, 3 and 5) completed precision bombing runs in the desert of Rajasthan, for the second time.[28]
2013
31 March 2013 - LSP 8 had a successful maiden test flight at Bangalore.[29]
28 Sep 2013 - The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas successfully completed the maiden engine relight test on Friday—a critical parameter the programme needs to achieve for the Initial Operational Clearance 2 (IOC-2). The Limited Series Production (LSP-7) aircraft from the Tejas flight-line, piloted by Gp Capt R R Tyagi, underwent the engine relight test at 1 pm. The LSP-7 was chased by a Hawk aircraft.[30]
20 December 2013 - LCA successfully achieves IOC-2.
2014
28 May 2014 - LSPs 3, 5 and 7 successfully complete advanced weapons trials.[31]
References

 

[he-man]

Stop defending lca here,,,i will be hapy only when i hear the news of foc...........and i have been waiting for that since a very very long time.

We need these birds to throw out the useless junk mig-21 out,,,just do it a bit fast HAL,will u

 

[sms]

I am not happy with how HAL is handling this project but thats how things work here.
Its not only HAL thats to blame

1)Funding is meagre compared to other countries
2)Salaries of scientists is too less,many good ones leave for greener pastures and they indeed should,,,its not a free service
3)Airforce too is behaving in a funny way despite knowing well that we are not a super rich nation with 200 billion$ budget.

4)But then HAL is a moribund govt psu too so it has to share some blame

Bro you got this all wrong!
HAL is a contracted manufacturer for an aircraft designed by ADA. This a product (in layman's term) who's design is yet to be finalize or get final go ahead from design agency.

How is it HAL's fault? Please care to explain?

 

[he-man]

Bro you got this all wrong!
HAL is a contracted manufacturer for an aircraft designed by ADA. This a product (in layman's term) who's design is yet to be finalize or get final go ahead from design agency.

How is it HAL's fault? Please care to explain?

Hal is the chief integrator or builder.
Even drdo is at fault as many of our indigenous systems have not performed as was envisaged.

Yes design faults are there like small ducts but we have no idea what other problems are,,,i mean there is a reason for delay and for a while,,,at least last 10-12 years money has beenno problem.

We can import whatever systems we like,,,still its not getting foc??

 

[kaykay]

In spite of my hate for things Indian - I am sad to see a promising project like the LCA come to this state of affairs. It means that just idealism and engineering excellence cannot win all the time - there is a much bigger force at play here. The LCA was a worthy contender to the Gripen in every manner yet two decades went by with hardly any progress or induction.

I am sure Indian politicians (and their corrupt journalist friends) did their best to kill the project and line their pockets with proceeds from the Rafale purchase. LCA Mark I is now two decades late and Mark II has no traction either. I could be wrong but a bigger number of Rafales are probably in the offing anyway.

Rafale procurement has little to do with LCA project. even if we induct 500 tejas still we would need rafale.

 

[gslv mk3]

Yes design faults are there like small ducts but we have no idea what other problems are,,,

Bro,You need what these are for ?

 

[he-man]

Rafale procurement has little to do with LCA project. even if we induct 500 tejas still we would need rafale.

Not to forget that mk1 will be only for training purposes mainly,,the forces are mainly waiting for the mk2.
Rafale will be better than even mki by a long shot due to superior stealth,,radar,,irst,,jammer,,tv camera.

U name it and its better in that,,,except range

Bro,You need what these are for ?

I am stating the truth yaar,,,,they have been doing trials for a long long time now but some new problem comes here and there.
It has been reported that air ducts of tejas are a bit smaller than they should be,,,they have already been designed larger taking into account the bigger f-414 engine in mk2.

Then i am not happy with the el/m 2032 radar in it,,we should have got an aesa or at least a pesa,,,it makes a huge difference.
I know israel refused under usa pressure but we could have sourced it from italian vixen