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The article says "the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has not been able to attain include sustained turn rate, speed at low altitude, angle of attack and certain weapon delivery profiles"

Weapon delivery specially BVR configeration etc is the standard for Final Operation Clearance (FOC) not for IOC standards.

And for sustained turn rate, weight issues, we are getting new engines, these issues is to be resolved for FOC

From this description you can see several defects besides the engine: 1. Weight distribution 2. System integration 3. Weapon integration. Adding engines woes that's 4.

1, 2,3 points are to be tested for FOC..

The LCA MK 2 has a long way to go. The LCA MK 1 is probably just for user feedback. Please stop saying things like the LCA is "leagues ahead of the JF-17". At its current state, this statement is simply pure baseless speculation with false pride.

After FOC, all these will be inducted to IAF. Nobody is comparing this to JFT. Only few trolls with false flags are creating the problems.

DRDO and IAF is very transperent..you will get everything from our web sites. so do not get confused with other wrong infos.
 
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QUOTE=MZUBAIR;1349958]As far LCA concerns their is no AIRFRAME fault but the design is old (study LCA design), n the jet is heavy....then the availablity of power.
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First, u shld know abt LCA design then I will tell u wts its not effective in next few years (atleast 7 to 8 years).

Please enlighten us how a delta design(LCA) is old where as most of the modern fighters are applying it.(J-10, Gripen, EF & Rafale), now please do not tell us that these all got canards...

And if you think a tailess delta without canards cant perform well, then just remember the Mirage series...

Whether it is a swept wing or Delta, all has got its own adventages & disadventages...will you explain something?

What if i say the design of JFT is as old as 1975-80s?, dont you think it is as same as F-16s except the intakes?
 
How can u state that this is ridiculous statement...
Dont get personal .....rather to flame...I feel that ur trolling ...


I believe you refer the meaning of the word, to use it.


Design is based not only on wings but also to the size, length, weight of the components, air intakes, Pressure intakes , weight balancing...there are many things come up in design....I cant teach u AIR DESIGN in few statements that people get the knolwedge in years. (thats ur ridicolous thinking to learn design in few posts)

As far LCA concerns their is no AIRFRAME fault but the design is old (study LCA design), n the jet is heavy....then the availablity of power.

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First, u shld know abt LCA design then I will tell u wts its not effective in next few years (atleast 7 to 8 years).


Design not bases on wings...?? :what:

Then what else is a delta wing aircraft?/

I am a newbie when it comes to designs.. it would be great if u could shed some light on the issue.
 
@mujabir . Yes!yes LCA IS OLD FLYING JUST 10FEET HIGH above GROUND FOR 10MINS ,THEN IT COMES DOWN WITH THE HELP OF BIG PARACHUTE. Not to mention JF 17 MADE BY CHINA IS SUPER DUPER STARSHIP TO TRANSPORT ASTRONAUTS TO INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION and Also out of galaxy due to its Hyper jump capability. Happy !! ? now get your *** of this thread ,there are lot where you can satisfy your appetite .
 
oh!wahahahaha delta wing is old,so why mirage is still flying and am sure still many countries even like china going to choose instead of J10A If GIVEN A CHOICE .
 
@mujabir . Yes!yes LCA IS OLD FLYING JUST 10FEET HIGH above GROUND FOR 10MINS ,THEN IT COMES DOWN WITH THE HELP OF BIG PARACHUTE. Not to mention JF 17 MADE BY CHINA IS SUPER DUPER STARSHIP TO TRANSPORT ASTRONAUTS TO INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION and Also out of galaxy due to its Hyper jump capability. Happy !! ? now get your *** of this thread ,there are lot where you can satisfy your appetite .
 
@mujabir . Yes!yes LCA IS OLD FLYING JUST 10FEET HIGH above GROUND FOR 10MINS ,THEN IT COMES DOWN WITH THE HELP OF BIG PARACHUTE. Not to mention JF 17 MADE BY CHINA IS SUPER DUPER STARSHIP TO TRANSPORT ASTRONAUTS TO INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION and Also out of galaxy due to its Hyper jump capability. Happy !! ? now get your *** of this thread ,there are lot where you can satisfy your appetite .

Oh come on just shut up.. you are doing nothing but inviting flames....

Dont act like just another fanboy.
 
Can LCA Tejas Do the Job?
(Some real aspects of Tejas)

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is the most talked about indigenous aircraft being developed in India by the HAL. It’s a 4.5 generation aircraft and also has an element of stealth as its radar signature is very small because of its size and shape. If the design is to be considered, it’s absolutely brilliant. But, the question is, ‘can it perform the tough job of protecting the Indian skies?’

Well, seems not in the current scenario. There are several reasons behind this; the first being its speed. Though the HAL says that it can reach Mach 2; the top speed of Tejas recorded till date is only Mach 1.3. It sounds nice, but is dead slow to dodge an incoming missile flying at speed of nearly Mach 4. The average speeds of other 4.5 generation aircraft are above Mach 2.2. So, if the aircraft runs out of ammunition during a combat, it has no way to escape.

Speed of an aircraft plays a crucial role in a dogfight too. From the very beginning of aerial warfare, continuous efforts are being made to produce a faster and more maneuverable aircraft. And history says faster aircraft have always won. So, in the era of fifth generation fighters that can reach supersonic speeds even without using their afterburners, can Tejas survive?

If we talk about advanced avionics, they surely increase performance in fighting, but in desperate situations, the pilots have to go back to the basics. Slow speed affects the performance of Tejas in many areas. Tejas is a light category aircraft. This means it cannot carry much armament for beyond visual range (BVR) combat. The pilot will have to switch to its 23 mm twin-barreled GSh cannon in an intense fight. Here speed and maneuverability play their part.

Initially, the Tejas was to be fitted with indigenously built GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri engine, but the Kaveri program has been marred by many technical and financial difficulties. Very less has been revealed to public regarding actual difficulties in development of Kaveri, but it is known that the engine has a tendency to throw turbine blades. Because of this, blades and digital engine control systems had to be procured from French manufacturer SNECMA. After Kaveri failed high altitude test in Russia in mid-2004, Tejas was fitted with General Electric F404-GE-IN20 engine, but the HAL said that all production aircraft will be fitted with Kaveri engines and the technical faults in the engine will be corrected very soon.

As technical flaws continued to occur, in 2008, it was formally announced that Kaveri engine will not be ready for Tejas in time and an in-production powerplant will have to be purchased from foreign companies. The contenders are likely to be the Eurojet EJ200 and the General Electric F414 engines. But the selection process will take its time and till then the first operational squadron of Tejas will be fitted with the GE F404 engine. The F404 engine cannot provide enough thrust to Tejas for combat maneuvers, thus restricting speed and ability to fight.

Another weakness of Tejas is lack of thrust vectoring. It’s not that the Tejas is not agile, but here we are talking about ‘super maneuverability’ which is essential now-a-days. Super maneuverability is achieved by directing the thrust developed by engine in required direction (thrust vectoring). With the help of it, an aircraft can perform almost impossible maneuvers.

The Sukhoi Su-30 MKI currently serving in the Indian Air Force has the most perfect thrust vectoring system ever built. The aircraft remains highly maneuverable even at very high angles of attack and near-zero speeds without stalling. It is feared as well as respected all over the world for this quality. But, with no sufficient speed and lack of super maneuverability, Tejas will be a sitting duck for enemy fighters.

It’s not the first time when a brilliant design by HAL is lagging behind just because of lack of a powerful engine. The same thing had happened with HAL HF-24 Marut, the first supersonic aircraft built in India. Designed by legendary designer Kurt Tank, the Marut could never be used to its complete potential just because of lack of thrust. HAL should have had taken a lesson from it in the development of Kaveri engine, which was powerful enough to give Tejas supercruise ability. However, it also lacked thrust vectoring.

Third and the most important factor is time being taken to complete the project. The LCA project is already delayed a lot because of the snags in Kaveri engine. It is still undergoing trials and may take several more years to enter full production. The absence of a perfectly suitable engine is contributing in making the things even worse. Even if it is inducted in the air force within two or three years, it will be equipped with the inefficient GE F404 engine. So, it is possible that it may not be able to deliver its best when it is needed the most.

The LCA project shows a clear picture of government’s casual approach towards defense research and development. After independence, India has built only two indigenous fighter aircraft and only one tank. India is currently facing a tough challenge of curbing the ever increasing cross-border terrorism and the Naxal menace within. Apart from this, there’s always a threat from our hostile neighbor. In these circumstances, the government should have paid more attention towards defense projects. Let’s hope that they take a lesson from the LCA project and don’t repeat the same mistakes in the development of new fifth generation fighter. Amen.

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Accept it or not the design is good but AC is heavy, Engine and radar problem still exist. Poor speed , manevers, BVR missiles.

So many things lacking....I dont see and SQD b4 2015 when PAF will stop JF-17 production. :)
 

So many things lacking....I dont see and SQD b4 2015 when PAF will stop JF-17 production. :)
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So you are happy with incomplete plane that is useless in fight

and your last line PAF will stop production of JF17

Well its good for you cause its really useless
 
Can LCA Tejas Do the Job?
(Some real aspects of Tejas)

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is the most talked about indigenous aircraft being developed in India by the HAL. It’s a 4.5 generation aircraft and also has an element of stealth as its radar signature is very small because of its size and shape. If the design is to be considered, it’s absolutely brilliant. But, the question is, ‘can it perform the tough job of protecting the Indian skies?’

Well, seems not in the current scenario. There are several reasons behind this; the first being its speed. Though the HAL says that it can reach Mach 2; the top speed of Tejas recorded till date is only Mach 1.3. It sounds nice, but is dead slow to dodge an incoming missile flying at speed of nearly Mach 4. The average speeds of other 4.5 generation aircraft are above Mach 2.2. So, if the aircraft runs out of ammunition during a combat, it has no way to escape.

Speed of an aircraft plays a crucial role in a dogfight too. From the very beginning of aerial warfare, continuous efforts are being made to produce a faster and more maneuverable aircraft. And history says faster aircraft have always won. So, in the era of fifth generation fighters that can reach supersonic speeds even without using their afterburners, can Tejas survive?

If we talk about advanced avionics, they surely increase performance in fighting, but in desperate situations, the pilots have to go back to the basics. Slow speed affects the performance of Tejas in many areas. Tejas is a light category aircraft. This means it cannot carry much armament for beyond visual range (BVR) combat. The pilot will have to switch to its 23 mm twin-barreled GSh cannon in an intense fight. Here speed and maneuverability play their part.



As technical flaws continued to occur, in 2008, it was formally announced that Kaveri engine will not be ready for Tejas in time and an in-production powerplant will have to be purchased from foreign companies. The contenders are likely to be the Eurojet EJ200 and the General Electric F414 engines. But the selection process will take its time and till then the first operational squadron of Tejas will be fitted with the GE F404 engine. The F404 engine cannot provide enough thrust to Tejas for combat maneuvers, thus restricting speed and ability to fight.

Another weakness of Tejas is lack of thrust vectoring. It’s not that the Tejas is not agile, but here we are talking about ‘super maneuverability’ which is essential now-a-days. Super maneuverability is achieved by directing the thrust developed by engine in required direction (thrust vectoring). With the help of it, an aircraft can perform almost impossible maneuvers.

The Sukhoi Su-30 MKI currently serving in the Indian Air Force has the most perfect thrust vectoring system ever built. The aircraft remains highly maneuverable even at very high angles of attack and near-zero speeds without stalling. It is feared as well as respected all over the world for this quality. But, with no sufficient speed and lack of super maneuverability, Tejas will be a sitting duck for enemy fighters.

It’s not the first time when a brilliant design by HAL is lagging behind just because of lack of a powerful engine. The same thing had happened with HAL HF-24 Marut, the first supersonic aircraft built in India. Designed by legendary designer Kurt Tank, the Marut could never be used to its complete potential just because of lack of thrust. HAL should have had taken a lesson from it in the development of Kaveri engine, which was powerful enough to give Tejas supercruise ability. However, it also lacked thrust vectoring.


The LCA project shows a clear picture of government’s casual approach towards defense research and development. After independence, India has built only two indigenous fighter aircraft and only one tank. India is currently facing a tough challenge of curbing the ever increasing cross-border terrorism and the Naxal menace within. Apart from this, there’s always a threat from our hostile neighbor. In these circumstances, the government should have paid more attention towards defense projects. Let’s hope that they take a lesson from the LCA project and don’t repeat the same mistakes in the development of new fifth generation fighter. Amen.

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Accept it or not the design is good but AC is heavy, Engine and radar problem still exist. Poor speed , manevers, BVR missiles.

So many things lacking....I dont see and SQD b4 2015 when PAF will stop JF-17 production. :)


The article has speed and lack of thrust written all around it ..

Thats why we are having GE F-414 for future fighters which is also powering F-18/super hornets and the latest Grippens.
 
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F414-GE of the

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Super Hornets.
 
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We are getting the F414-GE-INS6 the highest thrust F414 variant, and it includes a Full Authority Digital Electronic Control (FADEC)

GE - Aviation: F414
 
There is no trolling if what I said is true. My point is that the only thing we know about the LCA is that it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for the IAF, as per news said, so therefore, you guys have no knowledge how the LCA compares to other planes.

Also, the only reason I pointed that out is that whenever you Indians talk about this 30 year old projects, you have to put down China and Pakistan, making stupid remarks about our JF-17 and J-10.

Fine dude.. and do you think IAF will like JF-17 and J-10 for that matter.. if given a chance they will surely talk bad than Tejas
 
Find dude.. and do you think IAF will like JF-17 and J-10 for that matter.. if given a chance they will surely talk bad than Tejas

Dnt wary buddy they know how much incapable their fighters are so just want to release frustration here
 
Dnt wary buddy they know how much incapable their fighters are so just want to release frustration here

i know every one..
can we move this discussions outside sticky please... Sticky thread got spoilt finally...
 
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