HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[rockstarIN]

What the hec is that ? Looks cool... Laser guided bombs ? Or its just singular Bomb ?

A2G missiles, but this is not what mentioned in the article.

 

[4GTejasBVR]

A2G missiles, but this is not what mentioned in the article.

Is it multiple bombs or just only one?

 

[rockstarIN]

Is it multiple bombs or just only one?

Multiple A2G missiles of US origin, but not purchased/integrated in LCA

 

[zebra7]

What the hec is that ? Looks cool... Laser guided bombs ? Or its just singular Bomb ?

ITS a Pylon solution for combat Hellicopter by the COBHAM, with Brimstone A2G Missile, and Rockets.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

How involved will the private sector be in the production of the LCA aircraft in India?

The first 20 aircraft will be completed by 2018, by when we have to make a Mk 1A version of the aircraft. We are ramping up production to 16 aircraft a year. We have recently issued request for quotations to the private players to supply modules like fuselage parts and wings. If we can get this from the private sector, we can increase production to 25 aircraft a year. So, we are looking for capacity augmentation with these private players. We are looking at a concept in which HAL is an integrator that has some 20% (of total) work in the hangers. The remaining 80% of work can be off loaded to the industry. If a private company for example is setting up a shop for composites manufacturing, it will be assured for business for many years.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...varna-raju/articleshow/51834356.cms?prtpage=1

 

[Armani]

 

[sathya]

Landing gear bump in under carriage is the temporary fix ?

Missiles in the last wing pylon appears diverging , anyone ?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Main article

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...varna-raju/articleshow/51834356.cms?prtpage=1

My topic of interest

How involved will the private sector be in the production of the LCA aircraft in India?
The first 20 aircraft will be completed by 2018, by when we have to make a Mk 1A version of the aircraft. We are ramping up production to 16 aircraft a year. We have recently issued request for quotations to the private players to supply modules like fuselage parts and wings. If we can get this from the private sector, we can increase production to 25 aircraft a year. So, we are looking for capacity augmentation with these private players. We are looking at a concept in which HAL is an integrator that has some 20% (of total) work in the hangers. The remaining 80% of work can be off loaded to the industry. If a private company for example is setting up a shop for composites manufacturing, it will be assured for business for many years.

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Thats the confirmation of what i have always said..
16 jets a year and then to 24 jets a year..

Now you all know how we can easily make 300 LCA.. just the execution part needed from all stake holders including the ecosystem to step and meet the needs..


@Abingdonboy

 

[sankranti]

Main article

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...varna-raju/articleshow/51834356.cms?prtpage=1

My topic of interest

How involved will the private sector be in the production of the LCA aircraft in India?
The first 20 aircraft will be completed by 2018, by when we have to make a Mk 1A version of the aircraft. We are ramping up production to 16 aircraft a year. We have recently issued request for quotations to the private players to supply modules like fuselage parts and wings. If we can get this from the private sector, we can increase production to 25 aircraft a year. So, we are looking for capacity augmentation with these private players. We are looking at a concept in which HAL is an integrator that has some 20% (of total) work in the hangers. The remaining 80% of work can be off loaded to the industry. If a private company for example is setting up a shop for composites manufacturing, it will be assured for business for many years.

+++
Thats the confirmation of what i have always said..
16 jets a year and then to 24 jets a year..

Now you all know how we can easily make 300 LCA.. just the execution part needed from all stake holders including the ecosystem to step and meet the needs..


@Abingdonboy

As someone who works in the Aerospace Industry let me tell you with some confidence that no vendor in India wants to work with HAL. Those who do, do it because they have no choice and HAL sucks them dry.

There is no concept of "vendor development", the concept is "vendor exploitation". So good luck with your dreams of outsourcing the work for the same price. Its not going to happen any-time soon.

 

[Abingdonboy]

As someone who works in the Aerospace Industry let me tell you with some confidence that no vendor in India wants to work with HAL. Those who do, do it because they have no choice and HAL sucks them dry.

There is no concept of "vendor development", the concept is "vendor exploitation". So good luck with your dreams of outsourcing the work for the same price. Its not going to happen any-time soon.

That is changing. HAL is very set in its way but it is being forced to change it won't happen overnight but it WILL happen.

 

[sankranti]

That is changing. HAL is very set in its way but it is being forced to change it won't happen overnight but it WILL happen.

Of course. Nothing in this world is static, everything will change with time. That is the law of nature.

Just not soon enough to make a difference to LCA.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

TATA built Composite Structures for LCA

 

[zebra7]

This is from Saurav Jha twitter post

Certified Gipsy ‏@CertifiedGipsy 1h1 hour ago
@SJha1618 Saurav, what is the latest status of GTRE Kaveri Engine? Do we have a working Engine? What are its latest features?

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 38m38 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy Tested to 72 + KN. Flew for more than 50 hours on the FTB in Russia. Program continues. Rechristening soon.

Certified Gipsy ‏@CertifiedGipsy 30m30 minutes ago
@SJha1618 Doesn't it mean they have a working engine at 80kN?

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 28m28 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy What it means is that they have a prototype engine that has achieved 90 % of its designed wet thrust capability.

Certified Gipsy ‏@CertifiedGipsy 25m25 minutes ago
@SJha1618 Brilliant. Also, is it possible for them to to fit two of these Engines in existing MiG 29 and see how it performs?

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 24m24 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy Only one engine will be fit first. Standard practice. 20 unit run is to get to a stage where you can talk about MTBO etc.

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 25m25 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy 90% of the required thrust with existing materials. The 20 new ones will see product improvements leading closer to 80 KN.

Certified Gipsy ‏@CertifiedGipsy 23m23 minutes ago
@SJha1618 But wiki says that the full after burner thrust is 81kN and planned to be upgraded to >95kN. Don't know what their source is.

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 20m20 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy 90 KN is the final design goal. 95 KN will reduce engine life. 81 KN not achieved yet for legacy prototypes.

Certified Gipsy ‏@CertifiedGipsy 19m19 minutes ago
@SJha1618 90kN would be a great achievement. We can power both single engine jets and twin engine variants with indigenous engines.

Saurav Jha ‏@SJha1618 17m17 minutes ago New Delhi, Delhi
@CertifiedGipsy That is the idea.

 

[zebra7]

India's Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, which was several years in the making, has now caught the attention of foreign buyers with Sri Lanka and Egypt evincing interest in the indigenously built fighter jet. Sri Lanka had recently rejected Pakistan's JF-17 aircraft built with Chinese help, while Egypt had last year signed a contract for 24 French-made Rafale fighter jets. The two countries are interested in the current version of the Tejas and not the upgraded one which will be rolled out later. However, state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the manufacturer of Tejas, is focusing on delivering the aircraft to the IAF first. "While there is an interest which has been shown (by other countries), let us get the product first to our own customer. The confidence that will come to others when our own Air Force flies it will be immense. So at first, we should at least meet the initial requirement of the IAF," HAL chairman T Suvarna Raju told PTI. Refusing to share information on which is the countries that have evinced interest in Tejas, he expressed confidence in his marketing team and said they are equipped to take forward the talks. However, Defence sources said that the two countries which have evinced interest in Tejas were Sri Lanka and Egypt. He said the "current version is more than enough" for smaller nations. Two things that go in favour of the Tejas are its lower cost and flying ability. "We have proved its flying ability and the aircraft, for that class, is a terrific one. We did take some time but we need to remember that DRDO and us did everything from the scratch," Raju said. Raju said that the upgraded version of Tejas, with Active Electrically Scanned Array Radar, Unified Electronic Warfare Suite, mid-air refuelling capacity and beyond the vision range missiles, will cost between Rs 275 crore and Rs 300 crore. Sources said enquiries by foreign countries came during the Bahrain air show in January, the first time that Tejas flew outside the country. The decision to send Tejas abroad was of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, who has put his weight behind the aircraft. LCA Tejas performed 8-G (gravity) pull, vertical loop, slow fly-past and barrel roll at the air show, which the Indian officials described as "historic". Interestingly, soon after the announcement of Tejas' participation in Bahrain, Pakistan had withdrawn its JF-17 aircraft from the show despite having paid the initial installment which ran into a few millions US dollars. Tejas is perhaps the world's smallest lightweight, multi-role single engine tactical fighter aircraft. JF-17 has been developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation of China. However, experts feel that the aircraft has been assembled in Pakistan from readymade Chinese kits. HAL is likely to hand over the fourth Tejas aircraft to the Air Force by June end. The four aircraft will make up the first squadron of IAF which will be used for training and familarisation. Rather than wait for LAC Mk II, IAF had decided to go for an upgraded version of the existing Tejas with over 40 modifications. IAF plans to acquire 120 Tejas aircraft, with 100 of these having major modifications. As per the production plan, six aircraft will be made this year and HAL will subsequently scale it up to eight and 16 aircraft per year. The LCA programme was initiated in 1983 to replace the ageing MiG-21s planes in IAF's combat fleet but has missed several deadlines due to various reasons. -

See more at: http://www.dailymirror.lk/108324/India-s-fighter-jet-Tejas-catches-SL-attention#sthash.KLHvnHI5.dpuf

 

[zebra7]

So the two countries showing interest in LCA is Egypt and Srilanka

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @dadeechi