HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[Yasser76]

you don't have single operational block 3 in pak service.... not one

until then it's same status as tejas mark 1a

you have block 1 and 2 in 7 sqds at best .
and these are at best comparable to tejas,mark one and we have 20 plus in service.in 2 sqds.

in some aspects tejas,maybe superior

Plane flying is same status as plane that has not been built yet? Are you sure? Is this your actual argument? Do you live in an alternative reality?

 

[Surya 1]

Bottom line, as mentioned, is that by 2030 IAF will still be inducting LCAs, whilst China will have massive amounts of 5th Gen, and even Pakistan would be kick starting AZM production.

We are not bothered about Chinese fifth or sixth generation plane. We know them very well. Our MKI traced them from 300 km away.

How do you know this when it has not even flown yet?


"better organismic ", Your plane will have a great sex life?

Ergonomic. Bloody auto correct function some time creates big problem.

 

[Yasser76]

We are not bothered about Chinese fifth or sixth generation plane. We know them very well. Our MKI traced them from 300 km away.


Ergonomic. Bloody auto correct function some time creates big problem.

Of course, MKI traced them. I will reply properly to you later when you are back to reality

 

[MirageBlue]

Cost breakdown of the 83 Tejas Mk1A deal.

Unit price of each Tejas Mk1A is $43 million

The unit price per Mk1A is Rs 315 crores, which is $43 million. -A large part of the contract, almost 20% is taxes. Which means it goes back straight into the Govt's pocket. From one pocket to another.

-ADA consultancy and development cost Rs 800 crores (approx $110 million).
-Spares cost Rs 8000 crores (approx $1.1 billion).
-Training infrastructure set up cost $110 million

Also clarified that there will be 2 bases that will the home bases for the 4 Tejas Mk1A squadrons. Infrastructure development for training pilots and technicians at these 2 bases for the Tejas Mk1A is also included in the deal cost.

GE Aviation asked for Rs 12,000 crores (approx $1.8 billion) for allowing ToT and manufacturing of F-404-IN20 engines in India. That was cut out of the deal which dropped the price.

First look at what is an official render of the IN's Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) design. This is still the preliminary design and not yet frozen.

Close coupled canards, what appears to be stealth shaping with a nose chine and angled intakes like the Rafale. Also, higher aspect ratio wings than the Tejas Mk2, thanks to the naval requirement for landing at very low speeds.

Clearly derived from the Tejas Mk2, but with many changes that were inherited from the LCA Navy Mk2 design. But no stabilators.

At 24.5 tonnes MTOW, it's significantly larger than the Tejas Mk2 as well, apart from being twin engined versus the Tejas Mk2 that is single engined.

HAL wants an Air Force variant named ORCA to be derived out of this TEDBF in the 2030s. Would be in the Rafale class.

 

[VkdIndian]

There were lot of LCA watchers who had started a party claiming that LCA is too costly after the order for 83 LCAs. HAL is a Government company being given an order by the government. How would it be able to fleece the government? This was not understood by quite a lot of people.

This breakdown of cost makes things very clear. Tax part in the cost may not be understood by some people. But, that’s how businesses and such deals work in better controlled markets. The unit cost as displayed places it neck to neck with similar aircraft. With a better engine and some other systems, it would prove to be a worthy player in the game.

 

[ziaulislam]

Two prebatch built and flying google it. Yoy do have acess to google?
Rest 48 are in full production ..goal is to build 12 for PAF each yr and around 4-8 for exports
You will see induction this year

Mk1a wont be inducted before 2023-24 since backlog of mk1 orders is first to be completed

you don't have single operational block 3 in pak service.... not one

until then it's same status as tejas mark 1a

you have block 1 and 2 in 7 sqds at best .
and these are at best comparable to tejas,mark one and we have 20 plus in service.in 2 sqds.

in some aspects tejas,maybe superior

We are not bothered about Chinese fifth or sixth generation plane. We know them very well. Our MKI traced them from 300 km away.


Ergonomic. Bloody auto correct function some time creates big problem.

They will trace f35 in peace time too. Google it u will know why

At war " malfunctions" happen

 

[The Maverick]

can't compare your thunder to tejas

our fighter is home grown indengious fighter we,are have built massive infrastructure worth billions to support tejas
new spin off fighters radars,weapons in India over next 20 years

this cannot be compared to a kit assembly job from.china were all.your money goes to China

our billions stay in India and employ Indians
your emply chinease and tech stays in China

just like our jaguar assembly programme and su30mki programme

that's why we are proud of tejas

 

[The Maverick]

we,can plug add change improve tejas any aspect in India
we will add the mark 2 and Amca from.tejas technology base.
our scientists engineers will.learn.improve performance
100 percent confident just look.at our isro space capability or our navy technology

tejas is huge Massive

thunder totally dependant on chinease good will.

and capability barely tejas level.at best

 

[Yasser76]

can't compare your thunder to tejas

our fighter is home grown indengious fighter we,are have built massive infrastructure worth billions to support tejas
new spin off fighters radars,weapons in India over next 20 years

this cannot be compared to a kit assembly job from.china were all.your money goes to China

our billions stay in India and employ Indians
your emply chinease and tech stays in China

just like our jaguar assembly programme and su30mki programme

that's why we are proud of tejas

Your own frrickin graphs show how much foreign content their is in Tejas, your own defence minister stated just 50%. Sit down.

we,can plug add change improve tejas any aspect in India
we will add the mark 2 and Amca from.tejas technology base.
our scientists engineers will.learn.improve performance
100 percent confident just look.at our isro space capability or our navy technology

tejas is huge Massive

thunder totally dependant on chinease good will.

and capability barely tejas level.at best

Problem for you is it is much better for an air force to have a "chinese depdendent" fighter actually flying than a "indigenous" fighter on the drawing board for years

 

[Deino]

I know the Chinese are always accused of copying but isn't this an exact Rafale-clone?

 

[Path-Finder]

I know the Chinese are always accused of copying but isn't this an exact Rafale-clone?

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NO, NEIN. Its indi-genous.

 

[VkdIndian]

Compare LCA MK2, Rafale and Gripen, side by side to see what is copy of what. Stand alone picture of anyone of them might be called a clone of each other. But not when compared side by side.

 

[ziaulislam]

Compare LCA MK2, Rafale and Gripen, side by side to see what is copy of what. Stand alone picture of anyone of them might be called a clone of each other. But not when compared side by side.
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All three are different aircrafts
However its unfair to call lca mk2 as tejas

Its a completely different aircraft from the grounds up

Unless HAL intends to manfactur it side by side it wont be manufactured before 2028-2030

Time line of induction will be at minimum 6-7 yrs from first prototype

I know the Chinese are always accused of copying but isn't this an exact Rafale-clone?

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This will be third aircraft HAL takes on side by side with tejas, mk2

It will be a great feat if they achieve it

Though i would have preferred they just focus on AMCA

 

[VkdIndian]

It will be a great feat if they achieve it

Yes I agree. LCA MK II is quite different but has a Tejas Pedigree. Lot of stuff that has been tried and tested on Tejas, is likely to go into LCA MK II. Tejas had a lot of technologies tried upon for the first time. They have matured and Tejas also proved to be a test bed for quite a few of them. Hence, learning curve is likely to be a little less steep for LCA MK II.

As far as LCA MK II and AMCA are considered, they are of different class and capability. There may not be enough capability to jump to AMCA right now. LCA is more achievable target with the current capabilities already existing in India. LCA MK II might be one step closer in AMCAs direction..

 

[Yasser76]

All three are different aircrafts
However its unfair to call lca mk2 as tejas

Its a completely different aircraft from the grounds up

Unless HAL intends to manfactur it side by side it wont be manufactured before 2028-2030

Time line of induction will be at minimum 6-7 yrs from first prototype

This will be third aircraft HAL takes on side by side with tejas, mk2

It will be a great feat if they achieve it

Though i would have preferred they just focus on AMCA

When your enemy is making a mistake never interrupt them!
10 Years from now India will be the only country making 4th Gen planes and claim they are world beating.