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[MirageBlue]

For example...
Superior in angle of attack
Thrust to weight ratio
Superior in operational capacity and weapon integration

Nope.

Not superior in the angle of attack. They're the SAME.

In fact, with the digital FCS and complete carefree handling, a Tejas pilot is safer from ever departing controlled flight. Only the most advanced 4th gen fighters have this feature.

As for T/W ratio, they're the same as well. Nearly similar empty weight and nearly similar max thrust.

Weapon integration-

Tejas - Derby BVRAAM, R-73E, Israeli LGBs, dumb bombs. Astra Mk1 integration on-going, NG-ARM, SAAW to be integrated and the Brahmos NG when it's ready.

I can't see how the JF-17 is ahead except for the anti-shipping missile capability it possesses.

HMD usefulness is within visual range combat..thunder doesnt need it as these are days of BVR never the less it will be available soon much before tejas is inducted..

Thunder is unstable in 1 acess..it doesnt need FBW in all acess..but the block 3 has it.

By time tejas comes into play the oldest thundrs will be 20 yrs old.

Comparing tejas to jf17b1/2 is moot point since jf17b3 is already IN PRODUCTION WHILE TEJAS MK1A hasnt been signed yet

Tejas Mk1 is already inducted into squadron service and all squadron pilots have the Elbit DASH HMDS with R-73E as of now. With Tejas Mk1A, they'll get the ASRAAM WVRAAM missile, which is acknowledged as a very capable WVRAAM with near BVR ranges.

Right now the IAF uses Derby BVRAAM but Astra Mk1 integration is in process for the Tejas Mk1 fleet and for the Mk1A, we'll get the Astra Mk2 and in a few years, SFDR, which is the Indian equivalent of the Meteor BVRAAM. Astra Mk2 tests are to be started this year. Max range for the dual pulse Astra Mk2 is ~150 km. SFDR will have significantly higher range, thanks to it being a Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet missile.

The Tejas Mk1 itself is already considered to be one of the best air to ground strike fighter in IAF inventory, from IAF exercises where it beat Su-30MKI and Mirage-2000s. Best range scores, most accurate bombing. Now with the AESA radar, this will only improve! Litening LDP has been integrated with the Tejas Mk1 for nearly a decade now. Full mature system that gives the pilot one of the best air to ground targeting devices.

There is no proof that the JF-17 Blk 3 has full FBW since China hasn't revealed it's specifications as yet. All of it is just fanboy speculation as of now.

 

[Yasser76]

Nope.

Not superior in the angle of attack. In fact, with the digital FCS and complete carefree handling, a Tejas pilot is safer from ever departing controlled flight. Only the most advanced 4th gen fighters have this feature.



Tejas is already inducted and all squadron pilots have the Elbit DASH HMDS with R-73E as of now. With Tejas Mk1A, they'll get the ASRAAM WVRAAM missile. Right now the IAF uses Derby BVRAAM but Astra Mk1 integration is in process for the Tejas Mk1 fleet and for the Mk1A, we'll get the Astra Mk2 and in a few years, SFDR, which is the Indian equivalent of the Meteor BVRAAM. Astra Mk2 tests are to be started this year. Max range for the dual pulse Astra Mk2 is ~150 km. SFDR will have significantly higher range, thanks to it being a Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet missile.

The Tejas Mk1 itself is already considered to be one of the best air to ground strike fighter in IAF inventory, from IAF exercises where it beat Su-30MKI and Mirage-2000s. Best range scores, most accurate bombing. Now with the AESA radar, this will only improve! Litening LDP has been integrated with the Tejas Mk1 for nearly a decade now. Full mature system that gives the pilot one of the best air to ground targeting devices.

There is no proof that the JF-17 Blk 3 has full FBW since China hasn't revealed it's specifications as yet. All of it is just fanboy speculation as of now.

You ask others to read up on facts but here you are, actually lying about capability of MK1.

It has several issues with BVR and PGMs. It is nowhere near considered the best strike aircraft in IAF (You used 40 year old Mirages on Feb 26th).

It has 23 waivers on performance just to be accepted into IAF.

In it's current configuration it's little more than a tech demonstrator, both units being based safely away from Pak and Chinese borders.

Maybe take it easy on the whiskies hey?
"He added that the JF-17B would be fitted with a missionized rear cockpit for combat training and operations, a three-axis fly-by-wire kit, and a fifth-generation advanced short-range air-to-air missile. "

JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice | AIN

The JF-17 is playing a significant role in Pakistan's air defense.

www.ainonline.com

 

[The Maverick]

Nope.

Not superior in the angle of attack. They're the SAME.

In fact, with the digital FCS and complete carefree handling, a Tejas pilot is safer from ever departing controlled flight. Only the most advanced 4th gen fighters have this feature.

As for T/W ratio, they're the same as well. Nearly similar empty weight and nearly similar max thrust.

Weapon integration-

Tejas - Derby BVRAAM, R-73E, Israeli LGBs, dumb bombs. Astra Mk1 integration on-going, NG-ARM, SAAW to be integrated and the Brahmos NG when it's ready.

I can't see how the JF-17 is ahead except for the anti-shipping missile capability it possesses.



Tejas Mk1 is already inducted into squadron service and all squadron pilots have the Elbit DASH HMDS with R-73E as of now. With Tejas Mk1A, they'll get the ASRAAM WVRAAM missile, which is acknowledged as a very capable WVRAAM with near BVR ranges.

Right now the IAF uses Derby BVRAAM but Astra Mk1 integration is in process for the Tejas Mk1 fleet and for the Mk1A, we'll get the Astra Mk2 and in a few years, SFDR, which is the Indian equivalent of the Meteor BVRAAM. Astra Mk2 tests are to be started this year. Max range for the dual pulse Astra Mk2 is ~150 km. SFDR will have significantly higher range, thanks to it being a Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet missile.

The Tejas Mk1 itself is already considered to be one of the best air to ground strike fighter in IAF inventory, from IAF exercises where it beat Su-30MKI and Mirage-2000s. Best range scores, most accurate bombing. Now with the AESA radar, this will only improve! Litening LDP has been integrated with the Tejas Mk1 for nearly a decade now. Full mature system that gives the pilot one of the best air to ground targeting devices.

There is no proof that the JF-17 Blk 3 has full FBW since China hasn't revealed it's specifications as yet. All of it is just fanboy speculation as of now.

This is thorough answer

You ask others to read up on facts but here you are, actually lying about capability of MK1.

It has several issues with BVR and PGMs. It is nowhere near considered the best strike aircraft in IAF (You used 40 year old Mirages on Feb 26th).

It has 23 waivers on performance just to be accepted into IAF.

In it's current configuration it's little more than a tech demonstrator, both units being based safely away from Pak and Chinese borders.

Maybe take it easy on the whiskies hey?
"He added that the JF-17B would be fitted with a missionized rear cockpit for combat training and operations, a three-axis fly-by-wire kit, and a fifth-generation advanced short-range air-to-air missile. "

JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice | AIN

The JF-17 is playing a significant role in Pakistan's air defense.

www.ainonline.com

February 19 was 2 years ago BUDDY .......... no45 SQDS was just being raised and Tejas was not integrated with netra AWACS or other platforms ...... We had barely 10 planes pilots still learn ing the ropes.

Secondly if the mirage2000 was better ............ THEN IAF when not spend $6 billion ordering Tejas.

Counter argument = If your thunder HOW COME only F16 fired BVRS that FEB 2019 why no SD10 shots

You can spin an argument any way

IF your Thunder is so wonderful why you buying junk over used battered F16 block 15 from the ,mighty jordanian air force.

Tejas is here AS the above posts shows it beats Thunder block 1 and 2 in every paremter .

More modern efficient engines from USA
brilliant flight control and composite airframe like all modern 4th gen fighters
Dash 5 HMD
western and indian weapons variety

We have discussed this to death

You get what you pay for their is reason thunders costs 18 million each and mark 1 TEJAS IS 30 MILLION each .

 

[Yasser76]

This is thorough answer



February 19 was 2 years ago BUDDY .......... no45 SQDS was just being raised and Tejas was not integrated with netra AWACS or other platforms ...... We had barely 10 planes pilots still learn ing the ropes.

Secondly if the mirage2000 was better ............ THEN IAF when not spend $6 billion ordering Tejas.

Counter argument = If your thunder HOW COME only F16 fired BVRS that FEB 2019 why no SD10 shots

You can spin an argument any way

IF your Thunder is so wonderful why you buying junk over used battered F16 block 15 from the ,mighty jordanian air force.

Tejas is here AS the above posts shows it beats Thunder block 1 and 2 in every paremter .

More modern efficient engines from USA
brilliant flight control and composite airframe like all modern 4th gen fighters
Dash 5 HMD
western and indian weapons variety

We have discussed this to death

You get what you pay for their is reason thunders costs 18 million each and mark 1 TEJAS IS 30 MILLION each .

Again, all is "going to happen".......

 

[Surya 1]

I am.answering the specific questions.
tejas mark 1 is in service with no 45 and no18 sqds 20 planes,and 2 planes respectively.
yes the mark1 is superior to thunder block 1 and 2 and f7 and mirage in paf.
If maybe inferior to your block 52 thank God you have 18 planes,
55 your mlu f16 mat be superior in terms of amraams and twr but tejas has lower rcs and better hmd

Tejas Mk1A will be superior to F16 BLK 52 in most of the areas except weight carrying and range. It will have better radar, better EW, better ergonomic, better sensor fusion, better T/W ratio and better weapons. It can easily defeat F16 BLK 52 in close combat and bvr engagement.

 

[Yasser76]

Tejas Mk1A will be superior to F16 BLK 52 in most of the areas except weight carrying and range. It will have better radar, better EW, better organismic, better sensor fusion, better T/W ratio and better weapons. It can easily defeat F16 BLK 52 in close combat and bvr engagement.

How do you know this when it has not even flown yet?

How do you know this when it has not even flown yet?

"better organismic ", Your plane will have a great sex life?

 

[Deino]

A great read ...

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/tejas-resurgent/

 

[Yasser76]

A great read ...

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/tejas-resurgent/

Beat me to it! Yes, interesting by an Indian who actually knows something about the Tejas.

Bottom line, as mentioned, is that by 2030 IAF will still be inducting LCAs, whilst China will have massive amounts of 5th Gen, and even Pakistan would be kick starting AZM production.

 

[Mrc]

LCA is yet to achieve final operation clearance FOC after 37 years and we are talking about being better than F22 and flying saucers

 

[Deino]

Beat me to it! Yes, interesting by an Indian who actually knows something about the Tejas.

Bottom line, as mentioned, is that by 2030 IAF will still be inducting LCAs, whilst China will have massive amounts of 5th Gen, and even Pakistan would be kick starting AZM production.

Indeed and a very good friend! It was one of the most interesting weekends, when I met Angad at Telford in 2018 and was able to discuss with him IAF and PLAAF matters in depth.

 

[Surya 1]

How do you know this when it has not even flown yet?

In the same way you guys knew about JF 17 BLK 3 capability before it came.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

A great read ...

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/tejas-resurgent/

Death by taxes

One of the discrepancies immediately highlighted after the MoD’s announcement was the approximately INR 8,600 crore (US$ 1.17 billion) difference between what the CCS cleared and the figure approved by the DAC last year. The headline price immediately led to a chorus of disbelief about what appeared to be an average cost of INR 548 crore (US$ 75 million) per aircraft, resulting in unwarranted comparisons with more capable aircraft such as the Su-30MKI. Lack of transparency in defence spending only damages institutional credibility, in addition to hurting the sales prospects of the LCA beyond its domestic customer.


What should have been made clear up front was that the contract also includes a large fixed cost component, including development expenditures as well as a Performance Based Logistics (PBL) arrangement. The unit price of the LCA Mk.1A under the present deal is some INR 384 crore (US$ 52.5 million). The escalation from the March 2020 figure is accounted for mainly by variations in foreign currency exchange rates, as well as 18 percent in taxes.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Talking about Tejas MK1A and it's abilities when it has not flown is the same as PAF talking about AZMs abilities. Difference is we do not celebrate every tiny development as a world beating acheivement, much of PAF's work is done quietly. Unlike HAL.IAF

Pakistan is not having capibility to make such 5 gen fighter. Pak even has not designed and developed a trainer aircraft so forget about 4th or 5th gen fighter.

J31 will be only going to manufacture by Pak and called indegious made just like al khalid tank (Chinese type 90), super mushshak (upgraded - Saab Safari) etc...

I would be agree that if even pak has designed, tested and developed any aircraft.

5th gen Azm will gonna surely a Chinese made J31 or lighter version of J20 with Pakistani's name..

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan is not having capibility to make such 5 gen fighter. Pak even has not designed and developed a trainer aircraft so forget about 4th or 5th gen fighter.

J31 will be only going to manufacture by Pak and called indegious made just like al khalid tank (Chinese type 90), super mushshak (upgraded - Saab Safari) etc...

I would be agree that if even pak has designed, tested and developed any aircraft.

5th gen Azm will gonna surely a Chinese made J31 or lighter version of J20 with Pakistani's name..

Irrespective of how much of AZM will be indeginous (and most likely Pakistan will have much help from China and/or Turkey), that simply does not remove that fact that if PAC and HAL timelines are accurate, India will be inducting LCAs whilst Pakistan will be inducting stealth fighters.......

In the same way you guys knew about JF 17 BLK 3 capability before it came.

Blk III is flying my friend, major difference. MK1a is still only on paper.....

 

[The Maverick]

you don't have single operational block 3 in pak service.... not one

until then it's same status as tejas mark 1a

you have block 1 and 2 in 7 sqds at best .
and these are at best comparable to tejas,mark one and we have 20 plus in service.in 2 sqds.

in some aspects tejas,maybe superior